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Someone NEEDS to make a 7.62 x 25 carbine

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Ascot500, Feb 14, 2008.

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  1. Ascot500

    Ascot500 Member

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    Why?

    Have you seen the price of 7.62 x 25 ammo?

    What a fun plinker!
     
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  2. CBS220

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    I have seen M1 Carbines chambered to the cartridge.

    Find a junky old Universal and have fun.
     
  3. biscuitninja

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    While I wholeheartly agree with you, the 7.62x25 round is/has been known to defeat certain levels of armor. I don't think the powers that be would enjoy that though. But I agree, it would be a fun plinker. But I plink with my 7.62x54r and my .416. (ha ha).

    Anyways good luck
    -bix
     
  4. SaMx

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    .223 defeats the same levels of armor. 7.62x25 carbine would be cool.
     
  5. Gator

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    I have seen an FAL carbine in 7.62 x 25, it used a drum mag. :)
     
  6. Babarsac

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    CBS220, where did you see the carbine?
     
  7. CBS220

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    Found it at a pawn shop. I have no idea how well it worked, either, or even what mags it took. Since then, I have heard references to them on the net, leading me to think that more than a few people have also made the conversion.
     
  8. silverlance

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    Dude... get the original. Well, as close as possible.
    Get the PPSH-41.
     
  9. fireflyfather

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    Um, PPSH-41? Um, been around since WWII.
     
  10. Justin

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    I want an AR chambered in 7.62 Tok.

    Then I would shoot .223 Timbs through it.

    :)
     
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  12. Ascot500

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    Affordable NEEDS to be part of the package, maybe platformed off an existing rifle.

    Think Kel Tec Sub-2000 or Hi Point.

    You can read in another thread about the issues with the PPSH semis.
     
  13. silverlance

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    I wasn't aware of any issues. please do let me know as i am thinking of buying one this weekend. been saving up for a while for it.
     
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    Whenever I read about buying a gun to shoot cheap ammunition BECAUSE it is cheap, I wonder what will happen when the stocks of cheap ammo have been shot up. I don't see many Swedes out any more, and the Swiss are dying back as the ammo surplused with the rifles gets consumed. Of course our friends who used to be our enemies have lots larger inventories of the various Communist Bloc calibers so it may not be a problem for your generation.
     
  16. Hoppy590

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    well if enough people buy the guns, then theres enough demand for a WWB of x25.

    7.62x39 isnt a traditional american caliber. nor is 9mm. but enough people bought guns chambered in it, and enough companys decided it was worth producing round for it.

    to not buy something because its a surplus round is to get stuck in what evers being made for ammo at that time.
     
  17. GRIZ22

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    well if enough people buy the guns, then theres enough demand for a WWB of x25.


    But do you think WWB would be as cheap as the surplus? Ballistically. the 7.62X25 would probably be a bit less than a 30 carbine which enough people bad mouth as not being powerful enough for anything (I'm not one of them).

    For the present situation something like the Hi Point might be doable as the only major hardware change to the 9mm would be a 7.62 barrel. Of course if that were to happen the supplies of surplus 7.62x25 would deplete faster.
     
  18. Hoppy590

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    no but if all i wanted was cheap. id be shooting .22

    theres been a number of us who wanted this. write to hi point and express an interest
     
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    First, don't ever rely on surplus ammo. It's here today, tomorrow it's nowhere to be found.

    Here's my view on why you will never see a general purpose "for the consumer" new tokarev carbine.

    Manufacturers aren't going to rely on cheap surplus ammo for sales of their new carbine. 9mm, 40sw, and 45acp cover the niche effectively. There's nothing practically that the 7.62x25 tokarev round can do that the previous three popular rounds won't do.

    I believe the main reason for the cheapness of the tokarev round is because there may be very few buyers. I think it's accurate to say that people buy the CZ52's and PPSH41 semi auto for collecting purposes, not for serious business like defense or hunting, STHF, etc.. And not everybody is a collector either. Some people, if they want a weapon in a pistol caliber, will often go for 9mm, 40, or 45 because there's more choices. Those 3 rounds are also FAR easier to come by. In my experience, 7.62x25mm even brand new brass cased ammo is not common in gun stores, and especially sporting good stores.

    If anything, we might see some conversions if there's enough demand. An upper for an AR15 perhaps? etc etc etc....

    It's just that some calibers will die out eventually because either there wasn't room for them in the market, or there were initially not enough appealing weapons in that chambering, or everybody moved on to standardizing. The 7.62x39mm is a unique cartridge in that the US never had an equivalent in a battle weapon. With all those ak and sks rifles that came in and made the round popular, it stuck with us. Will the 5.45mm last for another 5 years? I doubt it. We already have the 5.56mm and all new combat weapons coming out in the world and in the US civilian market are always in 5.56mm.

    Going off topic, I'll stop here. :D
     
  20. Hoppy590

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    penetrate soft armor.
     
  21. Evil Monkey

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    You're probably better off with 5.56mm. Niche covered.
     
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    Tokarev and 5.7x28 are some of the calibers I wouldn't mind in a small portable carbine... Bolt action even; wouldn't mind at all
     
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    There's a gunsmith that does quick change barrel conversions to the FAL platform. One of the calibers he does is x25.
     
  25. Hoppy590

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    not a pistol caliber, i dont care howmuch you blow on som bushy "pistol".

    if you keep changing the standard then why not just say .50bmg. its available in a pistol and puts everything else to shame

    if you dont like the idea of a 7.62x25 pistol/ carbine. then vote with your wallet and dont buy one. dont make wild, shifting arguments against it.
     
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