Frankl03
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+ 1 on the spikes or like upper. You get more trigger time with your rifle! My son has an STI 1911 in 40 S&W. He has a 22 upper for it and it gives him more trigger time.
Spikes .22 Upper for AR15 VS Smith&Wesson M&P15-22
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rangerruck
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yeah, usually those dudes or I was thinking of AJC sportshop, has them cheapest. AJC was selling theirs for 399, but it had all the bells and whistles and goodies...
hyintensity
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Spikes Spikes Spikes
It took me years to get a .22lr AR together. I bought 2 of the Bushmaster .22lr's. One per Christmas for 2 years. The first one just didn't work, at all, with any ammo. I mean did not work. I never made it past 5 rounds with either one. The second one miss fed a round and the bolt closed on the rim fire round sending a slug through the side of the carbon 15 upper receiver.
Good thing my brother was on my right!
Bushmaster took both back and "checked them out" sent them back to me and again, neither worked. Both were sent back for refunds.
So that's 2 years. I skipped a year or two, then I decided to look again. I saw the Ruger, S&W, Colt, Tactical Solutions, and Spikes all were trying the .22lr game.
I began my research again. The Ruger, S&W and Colt were easy no's. They were imitation plastic POS wanna be's. I was actually shocked at the S&W.
They were pretty sad really.
So I started looking at the Tactical Solutions and Spikes. Both are great (from what I hear, I have not held a Tac Sol).
I ended up with Spikes. I liked the design of their bolt and the interface with the barrel. It is very easy to clean all the gunk that a .22lr leaves. The Tactical Sol, not as easy(but only a little less so).
With the Spikes all parts that get grimed up come out when you pull the bolt. The chamber face that is left is easy to reach, raised, and free of texture. This allows the user to scrape the carbon off easily. The bolt is hard chromed. This allows for a scotch bright pad cleaning. If it gets finicky from carbon build up, a good field cleaning takes just minutes.
I went dedicated upper. I am glad I did. The .22lr is so dirty that I would not like all that stuff fouling up my 5.56 upper. Anyone who has ever had to clean a TAC 65 or other user serviceable suppressor knows just how dirty a .22lr is. We aren't just talking "dirt" either. Lead cakes everything. If you just clean the carbon, lead will still build up. So, Imagine all that stuff in the gas tube or whatever.
So performance, how does it work? At first it was finicky. It did not like Rem SubSonic especially (Turns out nothing really does).. And that is all I took on it's maiden voyage.
For it's next outing, I bought a bunch of different .22lr ammo to test with. It loved one of them. ( I won't say which one. Everyone's guns is a bit different) So, I bought 5K rounds of that one. With that .22lr ammo it is flawless. thousands and thousands without a hiccup. Now that it is broken in, it is much more tolerant of all ammos. It even eats Rem .22lr SubSonic.
The Black Dog mags are simply awesome too. Easy to clean and reliable.
The Spikes with the BlackDog mags is as close to a MilSpec .22lr as you can get. It feels and shoots like a real M4.
It is solidly my favorite gun of all time. I have it suppressed with a Tac 67 can. It is quieter than most pellet guns.
So my vote is for Spikes.
It took me years to get a .22lr AR together. I bought 2 of the Bushmaster .22lr's. One per Christmas for 2 years. The first one just didn't work, at all, with any ammo. I mean did not work. I never made it past 5 rounds with either one. The second one miss fed a round and the bolt closed on the rim fire round sending a slug through the side of the carbon 15 upper receiver.
Good thing my brother was on my right!
Bushmaster took both back and "checked them out" sent them back to me and again, neither worked. Both were sent back for refunds.
So that's 2 years. I skipped a year or two, then I decided to look again. I saw the Ruger, S&W, Colt, Tactical Solutions, and Spikes all were trying the .22lr game.
I began my research again. The Ruger, S&W and Colt were easy no's. They were imitation plastic POS wanna be's. I was actually shocked at the S&W.
They were pretty sad really.
So I started looking at the Tactical Solutions and Spikes. Both are great (from what I hear, I have not held a Tac Sol).
I ended up with Spikes. I liked the design of their bolt and the interface with the barrel. It is very easy to clean all the gunk that a .22lr leaves. The Tactical Sol, not as easy(but only a little less so).
With the Spikes all parts that get grimed up come out when you pull the bolt. The chamber face that is left is easy to reach, raised, and free of texture. This allows the user to scrape the carbon off easily. The bolt is hard chromed. This allows for a scotch bright pad cleaning. If it gets finicky from carbon build up, a good field cleaning takes just minutes.
I went dedicated upper. I am glad I did. The .22lr is so dirty that I would not like all that stuff fouling up my 5.56 upper. Anyone who has ever had to clean a TAC 65 or other user serviceable suppressor knows just how dirty a .22lr is. We aren't just talking "dirt" either. Lead cakes everything. If you just clean the carbon, lead will still build up. So, Imagine all that stuff in the gas tube or whatever.
So performance, how does it work? At first it was finicky. It did not like Rem SubSonic especially (Turns out nothing really does).. And that is all I took on it's maiden voyage.
For it's next outing, I bought a bunch of different .22lr ammo to test with. It loved one of them. ( I won't say which one. Everyone's guns is a bit different) So, I bought 5K rounds of that one. With that .22lr ammo it is flawless. thousands and thousands without a hiccup. Now that it is broken in, it is much more tolerant of all ammos. It even eats Rem .22lr SubSonic.
The Black Dog mags are simply awesome too. Easy to clean and reliable.
The Spikes with the BlackDog mags is as close to a MilSpec .22lr as you can get. It feels and shoots like a real M4.
It is solidly my favorite gun of all time. I have it suppressed with a Tac 67 can. It is quieter than most pellet guns.
So my vote is for Spikes.
Glocked-N-Loaded
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I'm suggesting the Sig 522 here all the way. I've honestly never had so much fun shooting a long rifle. It's so reliable it's like my Glocks, I honestly never even consider a malf with it, it just goes and goes with ANY ammo. I have shot roughly 1200 rnds in it and have NEVER had the first malf of any kind. The S&W is a good option also. Although they initially had issues with blown extractors, all recent reports are everything is g2g and S&W's CS was top notch. The S&W is definitely lighter but I prefer the Sig for the opposite reason, I like the little more heft it provides as it feels more solid. Sig is aluminum upper and polymer lower where the S&W is all polymer, +1 to Sig. The Sig uses Blackdog mags not proprietary like the S&W, +1 to Sig. The S&W comes with sights straight away so you can hit the ground running, the Sig does not, +1 to S&W. Both the Sig and the S&W have reputations for being very accurate so I think that's a coin toss. I had a choice and I chose the Sig, I'd do it a thousand times over all day every day. I will probably get the S&W eventually as I'm sure it's just as reliable and accurate. Nutnfancy seemed to like the Sig a whole lot also, for whatever that means to you.
CraigC
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I'm not sure why the Ruger is lumped in there because the SR-22 is all aluminum. It has no more or less plastic than a "real" AR.
IMHO, a dedicated upper is the way to go if you already have an AR. Every bit of trigger time spent with it will translate directly to centerfire usage. Particularly utilizing the same trigger. The S&W is well-reputed but it just feels too light and cheap to me. Not real nuts that so much of its furniture is molded integral. Can you even change the grip?
The SIG is very well-reputed and feels like a real rifle. However, it ain't an AR. That may or may not matter to you, depending upon your needs.
Glocked-N-Loaded
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Craig hit on something that has been brought up before in that the Sig isn't based on a true AR platform. The S&W is but has been said several times to be way too light to mimic a real AR, although it mirrors the controls 1:1 it doesn't give the realistic feel, also complaints about the LOP being different and the weight being so off. I actually like the Sig for the reason that it isn't an AR platform, the diversity is nice and it's close enough in it's design and controls yet has more heft to it so it tucks nicely and presents more naturally. To each his own, Sig, S&W, .22lr upper..... really don't think you can go wrong with any of them, they all have their trade offs.
CraigC
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Could be that the best option is to have one of each. 
hirundo82
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My order of preference would be:
1) .22 upper (I went with TacSol and love it, but Spike's has an excellent reputation too)
2) Sig 522 (takes the excellent and widely available Black Dog Manufacturing mags as well)
3) S&W M&P-22
4) Colt (not actually a Colt; made by Umarex)
1) .22 upper (I went with TacSol and love it, but Spike's has an excellent reputation too)
2) Sig 522 (takes the excellent and widely available Black Dog Manufacturing mags as well)
3) S&W M&P-22
4) Colt (not actually a Colt; made by Umarex)
That's why the absolute best way to go is to get a dedicated .22 upper and an extra lower. That way you can shoot both at the same time and if the lower on your 5.56 upper breaks you have a spare. I only have one lower currently but am planning on getting an extra from Spike's Tactical.Kor said:
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