Springfield M6 Scout

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I finally found it. I’ve wanted a Springfield M6 Scout for quite some time. There happened to be someone local who had a Stainless CZ version .22lr over .410, the exact model I had been looking for. I’ve heard that the CZ version .22lr is pretty accurate out to 75 yards and that the .410 barrel is a full choke which will pattern well, as well as allow for use of some Brenneke slugs (which get raving reviews by the way) to take down deer sized game in an emergency survival situation. The rifle will go with me on long road trips, on hikes and backpacking, as well as on 4-wheeler excursions. I’m putting together an emergency pack that will probably be the 5.11 24 Rush pack. I plan on keeping this rifle for my life, I believe it will be a good collectors item, but that isn't the real reason I bought it. I paid $450 for it, which is double what it sold for new, but significantly less than what they are going for on gunbroker and the like.

My plans for the scout is to find some .22lr tube magazines and fit them in the crevice created between the two barrels, which will help in two ways, it will give me 30-40 additional .22lr rounds as well as provide a wider front hand grip area. My plans is to then buy some paracord and preshrink it, and wrap the two barrels and tube magazines lightly but tight enough to secure everything. I will also place some material in between the barrels to prevent pulling the barrels together and effecting the point of aim. I will also be buying a sling stud that mounts to the .410 barrel right in front of where the paracord wrap ends. I will try my hand at making a nice wide paracord sling for it as well. I plan on purchasing a 1-4x20mm scope for it and use see-thru rings to allow a .410 sight picture. With this plan I will need a cheek weld solution because the stock is too low to provide a clear line through the scope. To alleviate this I will be purchasing a stock pack with removable cheek shims, this will serve the need of height as well as provide a place to house extra .410 shotshells and some smaller survival items. The shell holder area on the rifle itself which will be covered by the stock pack will be used for items that won’t be necessary to have readily available such as: .410 flares (if I can source any) and some smaller less needed survival items.

This has been on my want list for quite sometime as I feel it is a really good balance of everything needed in a survival gun.

I’ll try and keep you updated on how the accuracy of it goes as well as how my ideas turn out.

 

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And if someone can edit my post and have the pictures appear without having to click the link I would appreciate it. I tried using the 'Insert Image' function but couldn't get it to work with my Google drive image URL.

 

[silicosys4]

interesting guns, I had one in .22 hornet/.410, and unfortunately traded it away before I knew the value and scarcity of what I had. If it was a .22lr I most likely would have kept it, but I was less into collectibles then and more into practicality.

 

[LAGS]

I want to thank you for this post.
I want an M-6 also for a survival gun.
But I recently traded a friend for a Savage 22/410 model 24.
I am going to use some of your ideas to incorperate into my design.
I like the Magazine Tube Idea.
I am going to build a custom stock for mine with storage in the Buttstock as well and I had an ideas to make storage for items in the forend as well.
I am making a Mount where I can put on a Tip Off Scope or red dot sight, and also thought about a Laser coming out of the forend or put a Rail on the bottom of the forend.
Years ago I built a Garcia Bronco that was all tricked out.
But Like an Idiot, I let someone talk me into selling it to them for a Bush Survival gun for their airplane that they used in Alaska.

 

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@silicosys4

I would like to get a .22 hornet barrel sleeve that can be taken in and out from Mcace in Alaska, he sells them that fit into the .410 barrel for about $100-120. I've tried to get a hold of him with no luck, which I found out is what everyone experiences. But the sleeve would be the full 18" rifled and have heard that there is pretty good accuracy out of them. This would give me a lot of options with the gun (.22 short, .22 long, .22lr, .22 hornet, and .410)

 

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@LAGS

Those Savage 24's are supposed to be really great guns, I actually strongly considered one of those awhile back but really wanted to go minimalist with it. I may end up with one of those eventually. Please take the time and do a thread on your Savage, I know I would appreciate looking at your ideas and how it turns out as well as your observations on accuracy.

 

[dogrunner]

You can substitute aluminum arrow shafts for those .22 magazines......cheap and effective way to carry extra.

 

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@dogrunner

Are all the aluminum arrow shafts the same size? Are they threaded on the end, could one create a threaded plug on the end to hold them in?

Thanks for the suggestions, because I have yet to find a .22lr tube magazine for less than $25, and really don't want to spend $50 to house .22lr, but would if it came down to it.

 

[LAGS]

The aluminum arrow shafts do not have threads on the ends.
You have to Hot Glue the Ferrels in to hold the points
But that gives me another thing to look into, I shoot a compound bow also.
We are turning into regular McGyvers on these builds aren't we ?

 

[herrwalther]

Ugh I hate you. I have been looking for one of those for the wife for about a year now. Can't seem to find any locally and the banic has caused these to go up to 800+ on Gunbroker. She really likes the buttstock storage on the M6 but will settle for a Savage 42 if we can't find the Scout.

I have seen a few other people use this rifle has a survivalist firearm and added a few bells. One of them used half inch copper pipe to hold more .410 shells in a very similar method you plan to use with storing .22 rounds. Using 550 cord is the most common accessory I have seen added to this rifle to serve as handle/emergency cordage. Dave Canterbury loves these little guns.

 

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@herrwalther

Don't give up, they are hard to find, but if one is patient they can be found. I was really surprised to find one locally. What really took me long was that I wanted to find a stainless like I found.

Hmmmm...I might have to play around with the 1/2" copper pipe, that's another good idea, I really can't wait to get started on this.

Dave Canterbury is supposed to be working with small time manufacturer to see about recreating the M6 but I have not heard anything more about it. I think it would be cool if he did get that going, he has a pretty good website with lots of survival gear, it would fit right in along with all of that. I could just see him putting together a really nice survival kit costing around $1,000 that would include the M6 prototype and some of his other nice items he sells, with a nice bag. I don't think I would buy one of the kits, because most of the fun for me is putting together my own, but I think it would be a great seller.

 

[LAGS]

Funny that you had mentioned a Bag.
Just last week when looking at my gun, I was toying with the idea of making a zipper case that held the shotgun in the broke down condition, plus have pockets for other things like a take down fishing pole, and pockets for other gear like fire starters, Char Cotton cans , compass ,Mini Mag Lite Etc.
But when you make the room, you tend to be able to fill up all spaces really fast for thinking of survival needs.
Dang, I may end up having to hang the coffee maker on the rail below the forend.

 

[ThomasT]

Everyone seems to forget the combo guns imported by EAA. These are the same guns remington used to import. I have one of the remington branded models in 22/410. There are several different offerings including 22 mag/410.

http://eaacorp.com/portfolio-item/mp94-series-combo-shotgunrifle/

 

[BSA1]

Why a scope on a 75 yard gun?

See though scope mounts usually don't work well. The scope sits so high the shooter has to lift his face from the cheek piece on the stock. Plus where are you going to carry the scope? You might look into a good set of iron sights which will work fine for 75 yards.

 

[jlucke69]

I picked one of these up years ago on a whim. Came with a scout scope, mount and bag. Never thought they'd be worth anything. Now I am trying to decide do I keep it, or trade it for a gun I would be more likely to shoot. Neat little gun, just don't shoot it. Now I have a Ruger takedown that does what I need.

 

[splithoof]

I have that same combo gun and like it. Because it's stainless, and looks minimalist, we call it the "Liberator Rifle", named after the disposable WW2 pistol produced by Guide Lamp division of GM. However at $700+ on auctions, it is hardly disposable by any stretch.

 

[LAGS]

The option of a scope or red dot is a big advantage when hunting small game when you have limited supply of ammo, especially Squirrels and sitting rabbits.
They extend you shooting hours in thick canopies due to their light gathering abilities.
In a survival situation, I doubt that you are going to be doing 75 yard shots at small game.
The see thru mount disadvantage is why I want to make the Hinged, tip off scope mount.
You get the proper height, and it just pivots over to the right when you dont need it, or is opened then slid forward to remove it from the gun all together.
The mount can also take a Red Dot on a similar mounting plate that will be interchangable with the scope if you want.
The Rail in the forend can mount a Flashlight if you need to for shooting at night at close ranges.
One thing I am modifying on the Savage is the triggerguard.
I want to be able to use the gun with a Gloved hand, and the factory trigger guard is just a little too small for a heavy glove.
It is little things like that that make a big differance later, and are easily forgotton about.

 

[herrwalther]

Hmmmm...I might have to play around with the 1/2" copper pipe, that's another good idea, I really can't wait to get started on this.

Personally if I ever get one, I will probably use small diameter PVC instead of copper. Cheaper, won't tarnish in the elements, and probably more durable depending on thickness. But it was a good idea to start from. I hope Dave gets into making them with some company. He already does that with a pocket slingshot he helped design that Bass Pro sells called the pocket hunter. It makes sense that he is looking to produce something like the M6 since he recently picked up as many Scouts as he could, something like 9 or 10. My wife has worked with him on projects and has asked for one of his spare M6 many times.

This is one weapon I probably would not put a variable scope on. A fixed scope maybe but a red dot would be much more suitable. In terms of a survivalist rifle, it would have to be a red dot with an obnoxious battery life which exist now as opposed to when these rifles were more popular.

 

[Pete D.]

M6

Neat little gun. I have had one for some years....one of the last production runs that Springfield made.
I have not modded it at all. It is good enough as it is.....a nice walk in the woods gun. It gets far more use that way that as a dedicated survival piece that might be stuck away in a bag.
About the .410....which shoots slugs dead on POA at 25 yards......are you sure about that Full choke comment. I have always thought that it was CYL.
Pete

 

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@Pete D.

When Springfield had CZ start making them they changed the .410 from cylinder rifled to full choke. At least this is what I've researched and found out from others, no first hand account here, other than the fact that my .410 doesn't have any rifling. Do you have an original Springfield Armory M6? I'll measure the breach I.D. And the muzzle I.D. On my .410 barrel when I get back home. I think the CZ M6's end up around .37-.38 I.D. at the muzzle for the full choke.

Oh, and mine won't be just sitting in my bag, it will get shot. If I'm to depend on it for a potential survival situation (that will probably never happen, let's be honest) then I want to be proficient with the rifle in both .22lr and .410 shot and slugs. I don't want to be out in the woods needing something to eat and waste my limited ammo missing shots or trying to get used to the trigger. I'll do all that research when I have access to stores to replenish.

 

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@BSA1

The scope that I'm getting is the same style and size (for the most part) that they originally sold with this rifle. If I end up getting a .22 hornet insert my range just went north of 75 yards quite a bit. And where I'm likely of being in a survival situation (Rocky Mountain) type of terrain getting close to a deer might be hard to do all of the time. As well as the reason for light gathering when it gets close to dusk. I really don't want anything electronic that I have to depend on (even with the rediculous amount of battery life), I know as long as I don't bang the scope around it will perform. And with regards to where is it going to get stored, the rifle came with a custom zippered case that is very nice actually (I'll take pictures), that will fit it all in it snugly. The case is kind of heavy so I might have to have a lighter version of it made for being stored in my 5.11 bag to cut down on a little weight.

 

[Pete D.]

Choke

changed the .410 from cylinder rifled to full choke. A

Yep. You are correct. I just measured mine and, whaddya know, it is FC.
I had never taken the time to measure before.
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[LAGS]

I would love it if CZ made the M6 Version in a .357/20ga model for the Serious Servival Guys.
I am sure there are lots of guys, that when the chips were down and they were stuck out somewhere like the open spaces of Alaska, they would be able to have something with just a little more punch.

 

[BSA1]

The option of a scope or red dot is a big advantage when hunting small game when you have limited supply of ammo, especially Squirrels and sitting rabbits.

Alas the art of using iron sights is being lost. How did we win WWI and WWII win just iron sighted rifles?

They extend you shooting hours in thick canopies due to their light gathering abilities.

True and very useful.

In a survival situation, I doubt that you are going to be doing 75 yard shots at small game.

My thought also. In such a situation where it means eating or starving I want as sure of shot as possible. Which means the closer the better.

The see thru mount disadvantage is why I want to make the Hinged, tip off scope mount. You get the proper height, and it just pivots over to the right when you dont need it, or is opened then slid forward to remove it from the gun all together.

How hard is it to install these type of mounts on the M6 and how well will it to retun to it’s previous zero? This rifle is not rigid like full stock one.

The mount can also take a Red Dot on a similar mounting plate that will be interchangable with the scope if you want.

Hummm…relying on batteries in a survival gun and taking up space in your bug???

The Rail in the forend can mount a Flashlight if you need to for shooting at night at close ranges.

More gadgets moves us away from a easily portable simple weapon.

One thing I am modifying on the Savage is the triggerguard. I want to be able to use the gun with a Gloved hand, and the factory trigger guard is just a little too small for a heavy glove.

Yep. It needs to be usable in all conditions.

 

[ms6852]

I would like to see the finished version when you are done with plenty of pics. Seems like a good little project.