Ok. So it's noticeably bigger than the p365. And the accuracy in the video was awful. 4" at 10 yards slow fire? Either the pistol is crap or the shooter is.
Without an external safety. I don't see many revolvers with external safeties or flipper triggers, they seem to be working acceptably well.
If you're going to keep the trigger pull at the same weight as it would be without it, DAO for instance or DA/SA then I find the flipper unnecessary. If you're using it to to make a long heavy trigger pull shorter and lighter then I find that more dangerous as it may be harder to notice if / when it gets hung up on a piece of clothing or the holster or an obstacle stuck in the holster.
In addition, the flippers I have seen seem to be comparatively flimsy compared to the rest of the gun (the externals anyways).
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Ok. So it's noticeably bigger than the p365. And the accuracy in the video was awful. 4" at 10 yards slow fire? Either the pistol is crap or the shooter is.
My experience mimics your own. I have pistols with and w/o them. It's pretty much passive, and I don't notice a difference. Never had one break on me either, but anything is possible.That's some good reasoning. I like having the flipper there personally because I've never noticed them at all while actually shooting, and it's just a little extra safety that doesn't get in the way, but I can see why someone wouldn't like them. To each their own.
Some people can't remove their egos from what they own. It's unfortunate for them because they get booty hurt when the next biggest and best thing comes along, and unfortunate for us that we have to listen to the bitching. Brand loyalty is one thing. Childish fanboyism is gross.Seems like the P365 owners aren't to thrilled or positive about the new release, and I'm not just talking about on this forum .
Spent some time looking at this gun and the pics and size. One thing I really like is the grip.. I think Springfield heard some of the gripes about grip on the 365, in that some folks thought the receiver to grip distance was too narrow and would ride the slide. Myself included when I was able to tryout the gun along with a few others that tested the gun. I also like the way they did the serrations and the TOP serration.
Check out how they allowed plenty of room for the offhand to haven ice real estate for any size hand, really like the Dimple for placement of the thumb. That will IMO be a big bonus. And if round count is your thing, the this gun is the winner.
I would prefer a DAO but have to say this gun is getting me interested more each time I see it. I predict it will be a Huge Success.
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The more the merrier. I see no issue with Kahr continuing their current line while bring more options to the market... Theirs a market for smaller guns with higher capacity. Kahr would do themselves a disservice by not taking notice IMHO.I also love the Kahr. Personally I hope they do not jump on the band wagon to try and squeeze more rounds into such a nice gun. They got it right. No need to fix something that is not broke. I just am not into the high round count thing. I think the Springfield will be a great gun, a great seller but it does not mean a great gun for me. I believe Kahr marches to a different drummer. Look at the Kahr. Only 15oz in weight.Nice, neat package and great shooter. While triggers are subjective, there are many fans of the Kahr trigger. Kahr did not cave with this and buy into the light striker fired fad that seems to have taken over. A smooth, deliberate DAO no safety. Even the staunch ardent lovers of safeties love this gun. IMO the best of both worlds.
Weight matters. Size matters.
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The more the merrier. I see no issue with Kahr continuing their current line while bring more options to the market... Theirs a market for smaller guns with higher capacity. Kahr would do themselves a disservice by not taking notice IMHO.
The CM9 is 15.9 and the P365 is 17.8... You're able to get 4 more rounds in the P365 for not a really noticable weight or size difference.
Not knocking the CM9 at all. I EDC a MK9 a (about same the size as the CM9 but heavier) and would not switch to a P365 even if someone gave me one for free. Then again I don't pocket carry, weight doesn't bother me, and I prefer metal frames pistols....
I also love the Kahr. Personally I hope they do not jump on the band wagon to try and squeeze more rounds into such a nice gun. They got it right. No need to fix something that is not broke. I just am not into the high round count thing. I think the Springfield will be a great gun, a great seller but it does not mean a great gun for me. I believe Kahr marches to a different drummer. Look at the Kahr. Only 15oz in weight.Nice, neat package and great shooter. While triggers are subjective, there are many fans of the Kahr trigger. Kahr did not cave with this and buy into the light striker fired fad that seems to have taken over. A smooth, deliberate DAO no safety. Even the staunch ardent lovers of safeties love this gun. IMO the best of both worlds.
Weight matters. Size matters.
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Still a step behind though
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https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/09/07/sig-sauer-p365-sas/
Uh, yeah, I get that ... I've bought a handgun or two retail.MSRP does not necessarily indicate what you will pay for an item.
Where are you seeing that in this forum? Not seeing this, even on the SIG-centric forums.Seems like the P365 owners aren't to thrilled or positive about the new release, and I'm not just talking about on this forum .
I have tried multiple times to make the Kahr trigger work for me. I think it’s less to do with the type of pull but more to do with how far back the break is.
I’d love to have a cm9 with a lc9s trigger, and accepted Glock (any larger manufacturer with better aftermarket support) sights. That would be an amazing pocket 9.
So far I’ve yet to find the balance of shootable and pocketable in the 9mm for me. I’m stuck to a lcp II, which I shoot considerably better than the cm9, and a j frame for pocket carry.
MSRP $599. So no, not really. I got my last 365 for $488 out the door.
MSRP does not necessarily indicate what you will pay for an item.
The MSRP for the Springfield Armory 3.3" .45 XDS Mod.2 with Fiber Optic front sight is $568.
I recently bought one, NIB (Cabelas), that featured the upgraded Tritium front sight for ... $372.97 OTD ($350+$21tax+$2BC).
Uh, yeah, I get that ... I've bought a handgun or two retail.
I'm still not sure thats actually useful or just a gimmick.
The 365 I had was plenty snag free already
That's not surprising; my XDS 40 will do under 2" as well.Guns and Ammo just tested the Hellcat and was able to get sub 2" groups at 25 yards in their test. So yes it was the shooter in the video you watched.
https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/springfield-hellcat-9mm-subcompact-review/368037