spacemanspiff
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you know for as much as you scold us for talking about off topic stuff, oleg oughta make you a mod.
St. Petersburg 5-year-old cuffed after school outburst
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Destructo6
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I've been working as a substitute teacher of late and "no" is my favorite word.
If I have a problem with a student, they get counseled by me, then sent to the principal's office or removed by campus security: they're charged with that sort of duty, I am not.
mtnbkr
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I'd like any parents here tell me what would've been an acceptable method to control this child. Not what they as parents would do, but what they would allow a teacher to do to their child. Personally, I'd approve corporal punishment in a heartbeat. I'd also not argue with the tactic of placing her in the back of a patrol car. She's safe there and can't harm herself or others.
That said, I don't ever expect my child to act in that manner. I certainly wouldn't approve of such antics.
Chris
That said, I don't ever expect my child to act in that manner. I certainly wouldn't approve of such antics.
Chris
P95Carry
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Hmmmm ....... not a very ''gunny'' thread - is it ................... better placed IMO over on APS. Seeing as it has about run its course, we'll let it go - but probably not for long!!
Wildalaska
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Hey, ya know I got to go waaaay over to another Board to do off topic stuff, yet still see guys posting it here...
I thought the cop bashing was finished on the High Road...guess not....
WildanyonehavearecipeforjerkporkAlaska
Those of you ripping on the Superintendant, have any of you considered that maybe the local school called the cops directly, and the super didn't hear about it until after the incident, or at least after the cops had already gotten to the scene?
"Positive Punishment" doesn't always work. It depends on the kid. It didn't work too well on me.
I think being cuffed & stuffed in the back of the police cruiser counts as punishment of the "sit in the corner" class. Maybe the tot won't do this again? Scared straight?
My thing: She was misbehaving. She was punished. The punishment might have been odd, it might be a tad excessive, but I'm assuming the kid's not harmed, nor has she been tortured. She was restrained, but that's appropriate when they're destroying stuff.
"Positive Punishment" doesn't always work. It depends on the kid. It didn't work too well on me.
I think being cuffed & stuffed in the back of the police cruiser counts as punishment of the "sit in the corner" class. Maybe the tot won't do this again? Scared straight?
My thing: She was misbehaving. She was punished. The punishment might have been odd, it might be a tad excessive, but I'm assuming the kid's not harmed, nor has she been tortured. She was restrained, but that's appropriate when they're destroying stuff.
Gunsnrovers
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Throwing a fit and hitting/destroying things are not the same.
Try to physically restrain a child in your class and you'll find yourself looking for a new job by the time the last bell rings.
The school officials can't discipline so the only available answers open involve the police or campus police. It's part of damned zero tolerance. By taking away options, you limit your response to all or nothing.
Beren
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They should have tasered her until she provided a urine sample.
Wait...wrong thread.
Ahem. It's a sad, sad world when we've crippled our school system to the point that teachers cannot enact discipline in their classrooms without fear of losing their jobs or more. If I'd have pulled this kind of crap, my father would have beat me five ways from Sunday and the local cops would have only got involved long enough to offer him a glass of water after all his hard work.
The cops should not have their time wasted responding to an "assault in progress by a five year-old."
The obvious:
1. Parents, discipline your children.
2. Parents, meet and communicate with the teachers of your children. Tell them to call you if the brat gets out of line, and YOU will come in and spank their precious bottoms. And if you can't due to work, verbally authorize the school to do so.
3. "She's never going back to that school." Um. Gee. Kids, time for a party!
Wait...wrong thread.
Ahem. It's a sad, sad world when we've crippled our school system to the point that teachers cannot enact discipline in their classrooms without fear of losing their jobs or more. If I'd have pulled this kind of crap, my father would have beat me five ways from Sunday and the local cops would have only got involved long enough to offer him a glass of water after all his hard work.
The cops should not have their time wasted responding to an "assault in progress by a five year-old."
The obvious:
1. Parents, discipline your children.
2. Parents, meet and communicate with the teachers of your children. Tell them to call you if the brat gets out of line, and YOU will come in and spank their precious bottoms. And if you can't due to work, verbally authorize the school to do so.
3. "She's never going back to that school." Um. Gee. Kids, time for a party!
Markheck1
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look at how much flak that other teacher took just for yelling at his students, if they would lay a hand on the kid, mommy would sue....
2nd Amendment
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I'd hoped the knee-jerk defenses were as well.
But, of course, some people miss the point(as always). This isn't about jack-booted cops, it's about society and how it has had its spine yanked out by leftist social engineering. The point is the cops should have never been called for a five year old with a bad attitude. Yes, I will say without hesitation the kid was not sufficiently violent or destructive to warrant police presence in a building full of other adults whose job was the child's supervision in the first place. Unfortunately it's easier, and safer from a legal standpoint, to pass the buck these days.
I suppose that here at least it's easier to distract from the topic than solve it, too, eh?
Wildalaska
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Dude it so sad that some folks cant do anyhting more than respond ad hominem
O really? Well where do I see that in the opening post.....
O really...what about a five year old having a temper tantrum with a piece of broken glass held against his or her own throat? What about a kid smashing glass, striking out, using common objects as weapons? Cops are trained to respond to extreme violence..kindergarten teachers shouldnt be.
The word never is a bad word to use
Well damn, since you were there, tell us EXACTLY what happened then
WildyepsameoldsameoldAlaska
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Correct, it is the same old same old.
Noting a fact is now ad hom? I'll try and remember that.
That was the opening post. From the mother's absurd "defense" back to the fact those in charge at the school were unable to deal with a five year old child. Irresponsibility and cowardice across the board.
A five year old is almost incapable of such extreme violence(unless we're talking about a child with known mental problems which has not been suggested to be the case here). And, specifically, THIS child wasn't holding a piece of glass to her own throat. Stick with the actual events.
We know what happened, it's not in dispute. So would YOU call the popo in such a situation as the one described? Next up the teacher she kicked in the shins will be filing assault charges.
And goodness, just imagine the pain inflicted by being punched in the stomach by a five year old girl. Better put some ice on that.
Noting a fact is now ad hom? I'll try and remember that.
That was the opening post. From the mother's absurd "defense" back to the fact those in charge at the school were unable to deal with a five year old child. Irresponsibility and cowardice across the board.
A five year old is almost incapable of such extreme violence(unless we're talking about a child with known mental problems which has not been suggested to be the case here). And, specifically, THIS child wasn't holding a piece of glass to her own throat. Stick with the actual events.
We know what happened, it's not in dispute. So would YOU call the popo in such a situation as the one described? Next up the teacher she kicked in the shins will be filing assault charges.
And goodness, just imagine the pain inflicted by being punched in the stomach by a five year old girl. Better put some ice on that.P95Carry
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Folks - first off - this is not technically a THR type thread at all. It is from that POV hardly on topic as it is not about shooting and guns, political or legal standpoints.
It has been round the block twice - and some. As ever there has been bashing, of all sorts. It may have ''explored'' the situation some but is not IMO going anywhere useful, in fact I can see little more than downhill in its future.
As I said earlier and reiterate - continue if you must over on APS. This is as far as it goes here.
It has been round the block twice - and some. As ever there has been bashing, of all sorts. It may have ''explored'' the situation some but is not IMO going anywhere useful, in fact I can see little more than downhill in its future.
As I said earlier and reiterate - continue if you must over on APS. This is as far as it goes here.
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