Staggering rounds in an EDC
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rcmodel
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Posturing might be a permissible High Road term?
But I'm pretty sure the other term isn't.
You both need to cool it I think.
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But I'm pretty sure the other term isn't.
You both need to cool it I think.
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Eb1 said:
As have I. Except a mop wasn't required. HP by and large perform better than FMJ rounds for self defense. Why would you limit yourself to an under performing round? The only consideration to take into account for using FMJ other than reliability is when penetration is necessary, such as behind a soft barrier. For larger calibers that would be a concern but not as much for .380 since HP or FMJ do not penetrate soft barriers well. So if reliability is not a factor, price (as in the other thread) isn't a factor, and the penetration difference is null for a .380, why would you go with a sub-standard SD round?
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Joining this a bit late, it seems ...
I don't understand your reasoning in that sentence.
Why not?
Why even use any of a certain type of ammunition if it doesn't make much sense?
Some special reason to determining the sequence of the different loads? If so, would situational context change that sequencing?
Maybe a training class or two, and some increased focus on demanding practice, might take your mind off the needless distraction of the "staggered bullet type" thing.
It's a handgun, not a Banana Split, right?
I don't understand your reasoning in that sentence.
Why not?
Why even use any of a certain type of ammunition if it doesn't make much sense?
Some special reason to determining the sequence of the different loads? If so, would situational context change that sequencing?
Maybe a training class or two, and some increased focus on demanding practice, might take your mind off the needless distraction of the "staggered bullet type" thing.
It's a handgun, not a Banana Split, right?
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My P238HD is loaded and chambered with RA380T, with a spare mag of the same. I'm perfectly content and see no reason to throw a couple FMJs in the mix.
The .380acp Ranger-T is fairly well regarded and has a good chance of expanding into a talon-studded copper and lead flower of harm. From the informal tests I've seen, it seems to be a solid performer. However, with .380acp velocities, there's also a chance of partial expansion (or none at all). In such a case, you'd have the performance similar to a FMJ-FP.
So, if you go in knowing that there's a possibility some of your expensive JHPs will perform similar to FMJ-FP after failing to expand, it might ebb your inclination to stagger your magazines. Just a thought.
The .380acp Ranger-T is fairly well regarded and has a good chance of expanding into a talon-studded copper and lead flower of harm. From the informal tests I've seen, it seems to be a solid performer. However, with .380acp velocities, there's also a chance of partial expansion (or none at all). In such a case, you'd have the performance similar to a FMJ-FP.
So, if you go in knowing that there's a possibility some of your expensive JHPs will perform similar to FMJ-FP after failing to expand, it might ebb your inclination to stagger your magazines. Just a thought.
Golden Sabers seem to work well as hollow points and get good penetration. My concern would be that different brands of ammo will not be as consistent in where and how they work. Having never had to test that theory, it is hard to say whether you are right or wrong in what you are doing.
Good luck and stay safe.
Jim
Good luck and stay safe.
Jim
They weren't that much. I bought a couple boxes of RA380T for $25/50. I agree that the RA380T has a good chance of opening, and during winter I'll probably be carrying my steel frame .44 Special 3" 5 shot with really soft lead. For some reason, I am thinking barrel twist and velocity here, the .44 Special loves heavy bullet at slower speeds. So I shoot heavy bullets at slower speeds. Just a little over 700 fps. I am getting off base here, but thanks for the information.
I still don't know what "ill advised" means in this situation. Legality? Functionality? It seems more like personal preference.
I still don't know what "ill advised" means in this situation. Legality? Functionality? It seems more like personal preference.
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Sergei Mosin
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I don't know if it's ill-advised, but I don't see the point. Either a round can be trusted to achieve acceptable penetration of a target, or it can't. If it can't, it has no place in my gun. If it can, I don't need anything else.
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That's because it is personal preference.
Lots of people on here get their knickers in a twist if you disagree with the current advertising wisdom of the best "fire-breathing-doom-whomper-splatter-gut" pistol bullet flavor of the month that someone just spent big bucks on.
In the real world there is no way to predict which bullet type will be best for any given situation. Statistically a certain bullet type might favor the majority of the cases. However, if you go by statistics, there is a FAR better chance that you'll never need a gun anyway.
Reality is that having any type of reliable gun at all when you need it, especially if you have at least minimal training and competency in it's use, will make the type of bullet that you have loaded irrelevant. You keep shooting until the threat is ended.
Lots of people on here get their knickers in a twist if you disagree with the current advertising wisdom of the best "fire-breathing-doom-whomper-splatter-gut" pistol bullet flavor of the month that someone just spent big bucks on.
In the real world there is no way to predict which bullet type will be best for any given situation. Statistically a certain bullet type might favor the majority of the cases. However, if you go by statistics, there is a FAR better chance that you'll never need a gun anyway.
Reality is that having any type of reliable gun at all when you need it, especially if you have at least minimal training and competency in it's use, will make the type of bullet that you have loaded irrelevant. You keep shooting until the threat is ended.
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royal barnes
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A fellow LEO that I worked with for a number of years carried a Browning HP loaded with the first 7 hollow points and the remainder ball. I asked him why. He laughed and said if a shootout occurred and he didn't solve it with the first seven he figured everybody would be behind something and he needed penetration not expansion. It sort of made sense.
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Why is is a better idea to stagger rounds in a shotgun magazine than it is in any other magazine?
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