Stainless Compact 308's
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I have such a tool...
It's a Winchester Classic Stainless Model 70 in .308. I retained the tupperware stock so far. Tweaked the trigger, retimed, dehorned and smoothed the safety, swapped the plastic follower for stainless and fitted a thin Decellerator pad.
The barrel is featherweight contour but I shot a 1 1/2" group with Fed Match 5 shots with a 10x tactical scope. I have yet to reproduce that group with the current 4x Leupold though...
If Charles Daly Stainless Mausers ever make it to the US market, I might have to get one of those too.
It's a Winchester Classic Stainless Model 70 in .308. I retained the tupperware stock so far. Tweaked the trigger, retimed, dehorned and smoothed the safety, swapped the plastic follower for stainless and fitted a thin Decellerator pad.
The barrel is featherweight contour but I shot a 1 1/2" group with Fed Match 5 shots with a 10x tactical scope. I have yet to reproduce that group with the current 4x Leupold though...
If Charles Daly Stainless Mausers ever make it to the US market, I might have to get one of those too.
Kentucky Rifle
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Yep...
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KR
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KR
I am also considering this exact type of rifle. While I have handled the Remington - and it felt good, I will not choose it. Here's why.
A relative had a M700 extractor go bad during a real cold sight-in session for last years hunting season. The gun was a 30-06, and this problem stopped things up real quick.
He then found out that he couldn't even buy an extractor from Remington, and had to send the gun in because he had no service close enough. Maybe this is best (it was pinned in), maybe not. I do know it messed up a whole bunch of plans. This is not the kind of event I'd ever like to duplicate myself - especially when it involves something as usually rock solid as a bolt gun.
I've narrowed my choices down to the Winchester and Ruger (with their superior extractor systems), or maybe Tikka or CZ as secondary choices.
YMMV
A relative had a M700 extractor go bad during a real cold sight-in session for last years hunting season. The gun was a 30-06, and this problem stopped things up real quick.
He then found out that he couldn't even buy an extractor from Remington, and had to send the gun in because he had no service close enough. Maybe this is best (it was pinned in), maybe not. I do know it messed up a whole bunch of plans. This is not the kind of event I'd ever like to duplicate myself - especially when it involves something as usually rock solid as a bolt gun.
I've narrowed my choices down to the Winchester and Ruger (with their superior extractor systems), or maybe Tikka or CZ as secondary choices.
YMMV
geekWithA.45
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Keederdag:
Just how exciting can a bolt action rifle ever really be?
Ya load it.
Ya work the bolt.
Ya aim.
Ya pull the trigger.
You get a big boom.
Ya grin.
Maybe ya hit something.
Ya do it again.
It's not like the rifle's gonna jump up and do a pole dance. Now THAT
would be exciting.
Then again, being a lefty, bolties and I just don't get along, so maybe I'm missing something.
Just how exciting can a bolt action rifle ever really be?
Ya load it.
Ya work the bolt.
Ya aim.
Ya pull the trigger.
You get a big boom.
Ya grin.
Maybe ya hit something.
Ya do it again.
It's not like the rifle's gonna jump up and do a pole dance. Now THAT
would be exciting.Then again, being a lefty, bolties and I just don't get along, so maybe I'm missing something.
Kurt has pretty much argued the point of the "controlled round feed" crowd (Ruger, CZ, and some Winchesters), and it's a good one. The "push feed" crowd talk about their generally superior accuracy, particularly with the Remington 700 and all of its aftermarket parts. Remington's made, what, three and a half, four million copies of that action; if breakages were common, they wouldn't have done that. Don't forget Browning's A-Bolt II ("push feed") with its nifty tang safety. It's pretty accurate out of the box.
Jaywalker
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JNewell
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One other point to add to Jaywalker's list: the push-feed fans will tell you that push-feeds give generally better safety in the event of a case failure, due to the better enclosure of the case head.
On breakage of control-feed extractors made by MIM, I wonder how many were broken by closing the bolt on a case in the chamber rather than feeding from the magazine? Most extractors of that type do not like being forced over the case rim.
On breakage of control-feed extractors made by MIM, I wonder how many were broken by closing the bolt on a case in the chamber rather than feeding from the magazine? Most extractors of that type do not like being forced over the case rim.
My wife has the Ruger compact with the laminate stock in .260 Rem. It is a very nice little gun. When I got it for her we also looked at the Rem model 7. The Ruger was a little smaller and lighter and fit my wife better. The model 7 fit me better and it would be the one I would get if I were to get one for me.
Will Fennell
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M70
I've got a M70 Classic Stainless in .308 that I've been using for about 7-8 years now. Shoots great[just under and inch with loads it likes], and has held up well. In addition to my hunting loads, I've put around 350 rounds of milsurp ball through it for practice, and the rifle and its extractor are running fine. I have several friends with "new M70's", and none have had extractor problems.
Except for my custom pre-64 M70 in 30-06, the stainless .308 is my favorite rifle in the safe
, and there is some pretty kewl stuff in the safe
I've got a M70 Classic Stainless in .308 that I've been using for about 7-8 years now. Shoots great[just under and inch with loads it likes], and has held up well. In addition to my hunting loads, I've put around 350 rounds of milsurp ball through it for practice, and the rifle and its extractor are running fine. I have several friends with "new M70's", and none have had extractor problems.
Except for my custom pre-64 M70 in 30-06, the stainless .308 is my favorite rifle in the safe
, and there is some pretty kewl stuff in the safelitman252
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Savage has/had? a short barreled .308. The one I shot was blued but had a Med. weight barrel. Handled recoil very well and was fun. Inexpensive to boot.
Geek: bolts are fun, hit your target, reliable, one shot one kill kinda thing
Tony
Geek: bolts are fun, hit your target, reliable, one shot one kill kinda thing
Tony
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Keith
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I don't understand why some of you suggest the 700? Why get a long action for a short cartridge?
I second Pushpins advice - look a the Ruger and the Remington Model 7. I have a Model 7 and couldn't be happier with it. The Ruger costs a little less and is a darned nice little rifle as well.
I'd heft one of each and see which one fits better. You can't go wrong with either one.
Keith
I second Pushpins advice - look a the Ruger and the Remington Model 7. I have a Model 7 and couldn't be happier with it. The Ruger costs a little less and is a darned nice little rifle as well.
I'd heft one of each and see which one fits better. You can't go wrong with either one.
Keith
BusMaster007
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Well, an LTR would be OK, even if it IS a 700!
I had a bug to build a 'mini LTR' on a Model 7 a year or so ago.
It would take some extra money, time and effort just to use the smaller action, but it would be unique.
The LTR is what I would choose in lieu of a modified Model 7.
I really like what someone did one LTR in the pic.
But, the original question is re a stainless rifle, so the point is moot.
I had a bug to build a 'mini LTR' on a Model 7 a year or so ago.
It would take some extra money, time and effort just to use the smaller action, but it would be unique.
The LTR is what I would choose in lieu of a modified Model 7.
I really like what someone did one LTR in the pic.
But, the original question is re a stainless rifle, so the point is moot.
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Art Eatman
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The Rem 700Ti is a bit pricey, but at 5-1/4 pounds bare, it's a sweetheart. In a .308, the short action means the 22" barrel doesn't stick out there all that far.
Art
Art
Keith:
Jaywalker
Well, the Model 7 is not just a short version of the Model 700, and the Model 700 does come in both short-action and long-action versions. Personally, I prefer the Model 700, in either the short- or long-version to the Model 7. It has nothing to do with function - it's just the Model 7 receiver-barrel area looks pretty unattractive to me. It has a broad action/barrel connection, then abruptly shrinks to a thin barrel. It's just a matter of taste - YMMV.
Jaywalker
Keith
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Ah, well thank you! I didn't realize there was a short 700. I have seen .308 length cartridges in standard length 700's and always scratched my head at that.
Keith
Keith
Strongly suggest a long look at the Browing Stainless Stalker. Gun is outstanding in many ways, built like a tank, light weight, points and aims well, great accuracy. Get it with the BOSS if you don't reload your own ammo, without the BOSS if you do roll your own.
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?cat_id=035&type_id=008&value=001B
http://www.browning.com/products/catalog/firearms/detail.asp?cat_id=035&type_id=008&value=001B
PYurek
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Savage ?, Rem ? Browning ? Ruger ?
You guys suck .... (in the best possible way).
I'm still trying to narrow down my choice between a 7,,-08 and a .308, and now you go throwin in all sort of stuff between breands - putting the cart before the horse !
I own a couple of Ruger handguns, and wouldn't complain about anything if you paid me.
I also own a couple of Remingtons, and similarly would never complain.
I have an old (and I mean OLD!) Savage shotgun, no complaints either (although another beast entirely).
I think the reason I don't own a Browning is because (perhaps mistakenly) I believe that buying a Browning is akin to paying for a nameplate. Sorry, I just don't see enough of a quality difference to justify the additional cost.
From my perspective (again, somewhat uneducated), if you actually earn your money, stepping up to a Browning is something like buying a Caddy to be a "grocery getter".
But what do I know ?
You guys suck .... (in the best possible way).
I'm still trying to narrow down my choice between a 7,,-08 and a .308, and now you go throwin in all sort of stuff between breands - putting the cart before the horse !
I own a couple of Ruger handguns, and wouldn't complain about anything if you paid me.
I also own a couple of Remingtons, and similarly would never complain.
I have an old (and I mean OLD!) Savage shotgun, no complaints either (although another beast entirely).
I think the reason I don't own a Browning is because (perhaps mistakenly) I believe that buying a Browning is akin to paying for a nameplate. Sorry, I just don't see enough of a quality difference to justify the additional cost.
From my perspective (again, somewhat uneducated), if you actually earn your money, stepping up to a Browning is something like buying a Caddy to be a "grocery getter".
But what do I know ?
PYurek
Do yourself a huge favor and go down to your favorite firearms place and actually handle the weapons. See how well each mounts to your shoulder-all the recomends above are pretty good quality firearms, but in the end, its what fits you best that counts!
Do yourself a huge favor and go down to your favorite firearms place and actually handle the weapons. See how well each mounts to your shoulder-all the recomends above are pretty good quality firearms, but in the end, its what fits you best that counts!
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