Standard Shotgun Could Be Banned

[riverdog]

The latest I've seen on the Colorado gun bill is at: Popular Standard Shotgun Could Be Banned Under Proposed Bill

Long story short, any pump or semi-auto with a tube magazine that can be altered to accept more than eight shotgun shells is defined in the law as having a high capacity magazine. A standard Remington 870 shotgun with a standard tube, can be modified with an extension, therefore it has a high capacity magazine by definition under the pending Colorado legislation.

 

[AlbertH]

Boyd asked Senate Democrats about Brophy’s concerns. They sent her a statement saying an amendment dealing with thats issue is currently being drafted and will be presented in a committee hearing Monday. What that amendment looks like and whether it passes remains to be seen.

Sure sounds to me like even the Democrats in Colorado are willing to change this proposed piece of legislation so that it does not effect hunting weapons

 

[Torian]

And people wonder why we refuse to "compromise?" Utterly absurd.

 

[oneounceload]

I guess there needs to be some clarification as to the word "standard shotgun"... to ME, that is an O/U; nevertheless, as you mentioned, a pump that could be altered.....thus you are taking a "standard"shotgun and altering it to accept even more. I do not know of any "hunting shotguns"that hold 8+ rounds - yet another ambiguity.

I am wondering if they are trying to go after the drum magazines?

 

[two gun charlie]

That is the problem , they will not stop at just taking AR's , take Britain for instance , when I lived there a few years back you couldn't even carry a pocket knife , so where will it end ?

 

[DJW]

It will end with an armed criminal(perhaps in police uniform)torturing us with electric cattle prods to make us reveal where our guns are located, what valuables we have and where they are hidden, and to tell them of any other people we know who think for themselves(that having been banned already by "the one."_) Not a rosy picture.

 

[PabloJ]

That is the problem , they will not stop at just taking AR's , take Britain for instance , when I lived there a few years back you couldn't even carry a pocket knife , so where will it end ?

Rubber hammers and plastic utensils.

 

[oneounceload]

^^^sporks

 

[chas08]

Sure sounds to me like even the Democrats in Colorado are willing to change this proposed piece of legislation so that it does not effect hunting weapons

Infringement is infringement! Its all bad and leads to further infringement! I can understand having mag capacity limits on guns being used for hunting! But an all out ban on any type of firearm or magazine is just plain wrong!

 

[joeschmoe]

Standard Shotgun Could Be Banned

No they can't. If they try, they will fail. This is why I like it when they go for the really extreme stupid stuff. They will trip over their own tail and falter. I say go big. I want them to fail big.

 

[David E]

I guess there needs to be some clarification as to the word "standard shotgun"... to ME, that is an O/U;

There is more than one type of "standard shotgun."

as you mentioned, a pump that could be altered.....thus you are taking a "standard"shotgun and altering it to accept even more.

Did you even read the link? It says "readily converted." Unscrew one thing, screw on another.....seems to fit the term "readily converted," even tho it's not actually defined.

I do not know of any "hunting shotguns"that hold 8+ rounds - yet another ambiguity.

It may surprise you to learn that not all shotguns are intended for hunting.

I am wondering if they are trying to go after the drum magazines?

I would bet the incompetence of the legislator(s) is at at play here, but I wouldn't bet much. The proposed bill says what it says, regardless of whether its due to incompetence or devious design.

 

[oneounceload]

It may surprise you to learn that not all shotguns are intended for hunting.

Gee, thanks Sherlock, I would have never guessed.............and I rarely hunt, but I also do not go after zombies or mall ninjas

There is more than one type of "standard shotgun."

Not really, doesn't matter the type, each type has a "standard"

 

[riverdog]

"Standard" is the terminology of the article; perhaps "common" shotgun would be a better description than standard, but it wasn't my article.

That said, I consider a Rem 870 to be one of the most common shotguns and this legislation's language is pointed right at the Rem 870. Since it can be altered to hold more than 8 rounds, it doesn't matter even a little if the end result is a gun that is totally impractical for hunting; it's not about hunting The Rem 870 field gun I bought used would be considered to have a high magazine by the wording of this bill. It wouldn't matter that I don't even own the parts.

 

[DJW]

Some folks just refuse to realize the control freaks want ALL firearms banned for public use or ownership. Plain and simple. Only government troops will have them. Forget liberty or rights. They want obedient serfs. No thinking. No talking. No reading. Just go to work and go home and watch stupid sit-coms. Step out of line and they will kill you like swatting a fly. They know what is best for us.

 

[browningguy]

Quote:
It may surprise you to learn that not all shotguns are intended for hunting.

Gee, thanks Sherlock, I would have never guessed.............and I rarely hunt, but I also do not go after zombies or mall ninjas

So anyone that uses a shotgun with more than two shots is going after zombies or mall ninjas? Pretty ignorant statement to me. I shot a 3 gun match last Saturday and everyone shooting had more than a double barrel skeet gun. Most were 8-9 shots but a couple of 13 shot tube fed guns were there, including 2 of mine.

I'm guessing you will be happy if they ban every gun but yours?

 

[DJW]

This bickering among ourselves helps the power-mad lefties. Let's try to band together and forget petty differences as to not lose sight of our common goal.........the preservation of liberty and freedom.

 

[David E]

I shot a 3 gun match last Saturday and Most (shotguns there held 8-9 shells in the mag tube)...

Browningguy, I know exactly what you mean.

Regardless of their current capacity, all of those shotguns are "readily convertible" to hold more than 8, which would ban them if this passes as written.

Most, but not all the folks here at THR, are against that.

 

[JohnBT]

I don't think having to buy an extension tube and then install it qualifies as "readily convertible". Removing a mag plug would meet my definition of readily convertible.

They really do need to rewrite the bill and spell it out.

 

[SenecaGunner]

they already have that law in ny

 

[David E]

I don't think having to buy an extension tube and then install it qualifies as "readily convertible". Removing a mag plug would meet my definition of readily convertible.

If only it were up to you....

They really do need to rewrite the bill and spell it out.

Ah, but then they'd have to reveal their true intentions instead of cloaking them in vague ambiguity that gets under the radar of most people.

 

[788Ham]

I was given a Rem. 870 as a gift many years ago, it has a plug in it, holds no more than 2 in the "tube". Federal hunting laws mandate you have a plug in the shotgun, or you're ticketed. I've never used mine but for intended purposes, this just reeks of ignorance. Now, if this mess of ideas passes, I can't hunt geese anymore, because it'll be a banned firearm, can't take it out of the house, but those that want to keep their AR's w/30 round magazines, those will be grandfathered in. Makes no sense.

 

[drcook]

Federal hunting laws mandate you have a plug in the shotgun, or you're ticketed.

I believe you are misinterpreting the "migratory bird laws". This is not a requirement for hunting rabbits or squirrels.

 

[David E]

I've never used mine but for intended purposes, this just reeks of ignorance. Now, if this mess of ideas passes, I can't hunt geese anymore, because it'll be a banned firearm, can't take it out of the house, but those that want to keep their AR's w/30 round magazines, those will be grandfathered in. Makes no sense.

This post gives me a sense of "Go ahead and ban those evil guns, as long as you let me keep MY hunting gun!"

Unless and until ALL gunowners understand that ALL guns are at risk, we'll surely lose them all.

 

[OilyPablo]

Hasn't this been posted on every gun board out there? 10X?

 

[herkyguy]

Rubber hammers and plastic utensils.

it'll just take me a lot longer to get the job done......

this thread is starting to sound like a old woman's stitch & b!%ch.