Defensive shotgun - standard tube vs. extended tube
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chas08
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LOL!!!That ought to have the balance of a finely tuned Sledgehammer
lemaymiami
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All my training and experience was with standard police pump shotguns by Mossberg or Remington - none had the extended mag. If I were given an extension for a police type popper, I'd never even consider installing it....
Of course several addtional things need to be said. I learned over time to bring a cloth bandolier (with covered pouches that held four or five clean rounds per pouch) so I always had at least 20 extra rounds.... I do not presently own any police shotguns since I'm long out of that line of work. In the field, when your pucker factor has your heart up just under your tongue... your level of training and competence will be far more important than all the extra rounds in the world. As my Daddy used to say... "Kid, I know a lot more about that topic than I wish I did..."
Of course several addtional things need to be said. I learned over time to bring a cloth bandolier (with covered pouches that held four or five clean rounds per pouch) so I always had at least 20 extra rounds.... I do not presently own any police shotguns since I'm long out of that line of work. In the field, when your pucker factor has your heart up just under your tongue... your level of training and competence will be far more important than all the extra rounds in the world. As my Daddy used to say... "Kid, I know a lot more about that topic than I wish I did..."
The key is to get gun with ONE PIECE tube in something like Mossy 500 or 590. That gun is designed around the legendary Remington 31 action which the US Army said was the best pump action combat shotgun ever made. I would go with the all steel Mossy 590 they make wonderful pry bars. While I do not like guns that load and eject through same port for combat use the smoothest I have ever tested was Browning BPS with long mag tube. It had special finish which resulted in smooth stroking slide.
longstandingletdown
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Personally, I would stick with the standard mag tube. Being of small stature and moderate physical fitness, the balance of a shorter tube just feels better.
Although the extra rounds may be nice, you could always add a saddle to the ass end, which will make throwing the muzzle up even easier/faster with training.
While I understand the desire to mod a shotgun, the extended tube has always seemed a bit unnecessary considering the nature of the weapon itself, YMMV.
Although the extra rounds may be nice, you could always add a saddle to the ass end, which will make throwing the muzzle up even easier/faster with training.
While I understand the desire to mod a shotgun, the extended tube has always seemed a bit unnecessary considering the nature of the weapon itself, YMMV.
memphismark
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For "oldguy870" Can your waist shoot? In that barrel is where they shoot, and that mag should be as long and full as possible. At all times!
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memphismark
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What do you plan to do if you have no time for pants and belts etc.? Criminals don't knock. They enter. Your pants and no side saddle leave you for a sitting duck. Just a thought. I was very rudely awakened while sleeping at my shop about 12 years ago, and pants and shoes and socks didn't enter the picture. My neighbors commercial glass front door was shattered and he was firebombed. Yes, firebombed. With our front doors in very close proximity to one another, and nothing but drywall with no insulation, I couldn't tell that it was not my door, but his, that these criminals had smashed. Having said that, I made a decision that night, that my gun will always be fully loaded and ready to go. If I'm upstairs, it's upstairs. If I'm downstairs, it's downstairs. Shotshells on a pair of pants or belt that you have no time to put on will help you ZIP!!! Just my opinion, oughta' be yours! memphismark
Kingcreek
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Memphismark, maybe I should explain. I don't live in a combat zone. I live on a one lane road in the middle of nowhere with 2 dogs, a good perimeter and household security with hardened entries, ie layered security. I probably have time to get dressed and make coffee before any threat comes into my home. A handgun, good flashlight are near to hand at all times and a carbine and shotgun close and ready. Thanks for your concern but I will not hang extra doodads on my shotgun. I've shot it pretty well for over 40 years without them.
Captains1911
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I'm amazed at the number of people who prefer a tube with less capacity, perhaps it's just because their personal shotgun doesn't not have an extension and so they are trying to justify it, I really don't know. For me, I want as many rounds as possible, and for obvious reasons. I have never heard anybody regret bring too much ammo to a fight.
It is all about trade offs.
A lighter gun handles quicker. You can make a solid argument that, for up close and personal, SPEED is the key attribute you are looking for in a weapon. That means speed on target and speed of incapacitation.
If more ammo is so good, then why not a +6 round tube? +7?
Everything has advantages and disadvantages.
A lighter gun handles quicker. You can make a solid argument that, for up close and personal, SPEED is the key attribute you are looking for in a weapon. That means speed on target and speed of incapacitation.
If more ammo is so good, then why not a +6 round tube? +7?
Everything has advantages and disadvantages.
Saakee
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Lancer is making +2 through +9 carbon fiber magazine tube extensions set to be released this summer. Available for Benelli M1/M2, Remington 870, 1100, 1187 and Versa max
Old Shooter
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4+1 of a decent 12 gauge loading doesn't exactly make you a sitting duck.
In that instance of your next door neighbors shop being fire bombed, how many rounds did you have to fire?
BADUNAME37
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You could use a Single Shot gun, if you have the shells to load it fast enough if you need them. I would think one shot would be all most people would need to take.
Youngster
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I have an Olongapo "grab and go" shoulder bag with at least 50 rounds in it hanging off the muzzle of my go-to shotgun as it sits in the corner.
I just have to throw the strap over my shoulder to have plenty of easily accessible ammo on hand, without having to weigh down my shotgun.
I just have to throw the strap over my shoulder to have plenty of easily accessible ammo on hand, without having to weigh down my shotgun.
I don't think so. The "justifictions" for less weight out front and the distrust of add-on protrusions out front are well stated in this very thread. To dismiss it as a budget concern or other "lack of ownership" ignores the fact that you're getting this opinion from folks who do own, and have owned, many shotguns.
memphismark
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I have to agree with you on that. You can't even leave an old shoe outside at night or they'll steal it. I'm in Los Angeles area and it's expensive, but you're right, I gotta' get out of here someday.
memphismark
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Thank God no rounds were fired, they were gone pretty quick but that was a point I didn't make very well. Had it been my office door they smashed, they would have been on me in mere seconds. Just long enough to get thru the glass without getting cut up, and they would have been in! I was up 6 steps, no more that 7 or 8 feet away. Yikes!!! memphismark
Memphismark, I live in Orange County. We are practically neighbors.
My 870 is my defense gun during normal times. When firebombing starts being a problem in my zip code (a la Rodney King riots 2.0), I am converting my bullet buttoned AR15 to it's natural state with a 30 round magazine to deal with those types of problems. The gloves come off at that point.
In the mean time, 5 rounds on a quick handling 870 with extra rounds on my waist should get the job done.
My 870 is my defense gun during normal times. When firebombing starts being a problem in my zip code (a la Rodney King riots 2.0), I am converting my bullet buttoned AR15 to it's natural state with a 30 round magazine to deal with those types of problems. The gloves come off at that point.
In the mean time, 5 rounds on a quick handling 870 with extra rounds on my waist should get the job done.
memphismark
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It sounds like you have put a lot of thought into your security, and that's a good thing for sure. I guess I just operate under the principle that a cop buddy once explained to me and that is, "if a person is crazy enough to come into a strange house, risking his own life, he might just be crazy enough to be REALLY CRAZY!!!! I have a weekend house in the 'boonies', probably a really safe place like your neck of the woods. I just want to know we are all REALLY ready if harm comes our way. If you're confident about your set-up, and only you know, then that's good enough. If it can be improved on, I try to think of reasons why not do it. Especially when it comes my life and loved ones. This is not a better 'options' package for a new car. Maybe you don't really need that 25 disc CD changer with a bass boost option. But it's your life we are talking about here! I'm just sayin'. memphismark
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memphismark
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'Dat's wut'm talk'n bout!! Your AR comments make me feel much better. You've got me beat hands down now, but I'm gonna catch up some day. Hopefully this year I'll be putting an AR package together. FINALLY!!! "You go boy." If Zimmerman gets railroaded, which he very well may, you won't need it. But if he walks.......they'll hit the streets again. I'm just sayin'.
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