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Stevens 200 in 5.45x39?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 545poison, Mar 28, 2009.

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  1. 545poison

    545poison Member

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    Read with great interest about krochus' 7.62x39 experiences and Stevens200 build.

    With all the inexpensive 5.45x39 ammo still around, has anyone succesfully built a bolt gun in 5.45?

    The only 5.45x39 bolt action I've ever heard of was the infamous SSG82 East German border guard rifle.
     
  2. R.W.Dale

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    Your problem will be finding a barrel manufacturer who makes a .220" bore.

    223/5.56x45 nato bullet diameter .224
    5.45x39mm bullet dia .220" to .221"

    Once you solve that stumbling block there shouldn't be anything stopping ya
     
  3. 545poison

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    I have tried to contact Lothar Walther about this. I'll post back what they tell me.

    What other barrel manufacturers should I inquire with? Shilen? Douglas?
     
  4. 545poison

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    krochus, do you have any experience with the 5.45x39 round?
     
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    Never fired one in my life, and only handled one round of ammunition
     
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    Okay looks like I'm in luck:

    "We do this caliber as a standard item. You can order it through our custom program. It is available in normal steel only."



    I am not sure which contour would be optimal for 5.45x39, there are several choices:


    Affording it may be the hard part. Their barrels are very expensive. None less than $220 that I could see on the site, some up to $800 plus :what:
     
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    This is the specs that are given on my membership pay site. I'm guessing this is for a 16"+ barrel.

    5.45x39mm Russian M-74-----------------------------------SPECIFICATIONS

    Bullet Diameter:
    .224 in.
    Max Overall Length:
    2.264 in.
    Rifling Twist:

    Rifling Lands:

    Case Capacity (est):
    28.5 gr. water
    Primer Size:
    .175 in.

    NOMINAL PERFORMANCE
    Bullet Weight:
    53 gr
    Muzzle Velocity:
    2900 fps
    Muzzle Energy:
    990 ft-lbs



    NCsmitty
     
  9. atblis

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    The 5.45x39 does not have the same rim as 7.62x39. Most people don't realize it isn't based on 7.62x39.
     
  10. 545poison

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    Right. It is not as tapered as the 7.62x39 either, hence AK-74 magazines are less curved than the AK-47 mags.

    The 5.45x39 rim is slightly larger than the .223 rim, I hear it is the same size as a 9x19 pistol. Wondering if SSS offers a bolt head conversion in this size. The "just just make it work" part of me wants to just open up the .223 boltface with a dremel and call it done.
     
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    Sure why not. If you're doing this in a Savage rifle, the bolt heads are $12, so screw one up, oh well. Buy another.

    I'd probably try and do it in a lathe though.
     
  12. HankC

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    Will be nice if there is a group buy for Savage x39 barrels. Demand is out there but no one make them as standard off-shelf items. Mid Way will sell them like craze if they will offer A-B barrels at the price they are selling now.
     
  13. 545poison

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    Agreed!! I got a price and the Lothar-Walther barrel is $374 plus shipping... ouch!


    Can someone start a new thread checking interest on a Savage x39 barrels group buy?
     
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    Might try ER shaw.
    Pac Nor

    Somebody was making barrels for the 5.45 ARs.
     
  15. R.W.Dale

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    Savage bolt heads are typically pretty generous and will accommodate case heads larger than they're supposed to.

    I'll wager the bolt face will require no modification
     
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    I think it would be pretty cool, but the new barrel would have to be pretty cheap if the only point is to take advantage of cheap ammo. It's not like cheap ammo would give you great accuracy anyway, or like there's a lot of brass and bullets out there for reloading.
     
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    The 5.45x39 case head measures .394 and the 223 measures .378 -.010.
    The 7.62x39 is .447 -.010 with the target round, 5.6x39 at .443. The 5.6x39 uses the .221 dia. bullet. The 5.6x39 was the precursor to the 220 Russian which the PPC cartridges are based on.


    NCsmitty
     
  18. 545poison

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    When I get the Stevens 200 in .223 I will CAREFULLY see if it will extract a 5.45 shell. It shouldn't chamber fully due to the 5.45's taper. It is .390" just above the extractor groove while .223 is only .374"
     
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    extraction won't be the problem.

    You need to remove the bolt from the rifle and see if a 5.45 case will fit inside the case head recess stevens bolt face.

    Being a push feed you won't learn anything by trying ton cram the wrong ammo in the wrong chamber. At the very lest have sense to use a dummy round or a fired case before you shoot sumpin and rupture a case at the same time playing with live ammo
     
  20. R.W.Dale

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    I take my earlier statement back the .223 bolt face I have handy is about .009" shy of being able to accommodate a 5.54 case head

    So just like with my 7.62x39 the bolt head will require machining
     
  21. 545poison

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    Definitely will use a spent casing for any test chambering.

    Regarding the .223 & 5.45 bolt faces sizes: the dremel, —er mill— comes out! :D
     
  22. R.W.Dale

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    a nice square bolt face is essential to accuracy, a dremil simply isn't gonna get you there. This is the kinda thing you need to pay a machinist or gunsmith for.
     
  23. 545poison

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    Noted! Thank you krochus
     
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    Heard back from E.R. Shaw regarding 5.45x39 barrels:

    "Unfortunately we can not help you with this request. We do not drill, ream, or rifle for that bore size and we also do not offer that chambering"
     
  25. 545poison

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    Pac-Nor contacted me today and they do make blanks in 5.45 Russian. However they don't have that chamber reamer so they can't provide a ready-to-go Savage barrel.
     
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