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Stevens arms company model 58b bolt action shotgun

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by ilikepie, Dec 2, 2007.

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  1. ilikepie

    ilikepie Member

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    :confused:I have a Stevens arms company model 58b bolt action shotgun and are a clip and have no amo for it. The rifle was my great grandfathers and he gave it to my dad who showed it to me. So now I am trying to get info on it and find out were to aquire the clip and rounds. Ive tried googling but nothing usefull comes up. Please help.
     
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    Thanks,

    Also it fires 3 inch shells and I was wondering were can you buy them and what kind of game would I be able to hunt with it.
     
  4. Dave McCracken

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    First, any shorter shells of that gauge will work also, have less expense and kick, and pobably do as good a job, barring waterfowl which demand non toxic shot and turkey. 2 3/4" shells are used for most hunting and all clays sports.

    The archives are loaded with info about what shot size to use for _____ as well as answering other queries.

    And kudoes to you for wanting to use your heirloom.

    HTH....
     
  5. gp911

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    I grew up using a bolt action shotgun with no magazine (had to load each round with the bolt open, close the bolt, shoot, repeat) and have a special fondness for bolt action shotguns in general. It looks like yours is a .410 like mine was, and may even be the same model (mine was labelled Sears, but Stevens probably made it for them). If so, you can shoot it without a magazine, it will just be a clumsy-action single shot. If yours is a different bore (12, 20, etc.) there are more options as to what you can hunt, but regardless you should be able to enjoy the gun with modern ammunition in whichever bore it is.

    Spend a couple late nights just reading the archives here. You'll learn plenty about shotgunning in general. Looks like you have some fun shooting to look forward to.


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  6. ilikepie

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    its a .410 gauge and I was wondering if i could hunt small game with it as well as waterfoul
     
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    Those bolt action shotguns were pretty common when I was a kid. Most every farmer around had one in the barn or behind the seat/in the gun rack of the pickup.
     
  8. ilikepie

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    can you get buckshot for a .410? just wondering
     
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    Small game like rabbits & squirrels? Oh yes.

    Waterfowl? Well, crows drink water I hear. I'd be hesitant to hunt anything bigger. They work very well on doves, assuming you hit the dove.

    Winchester makes 3 pellet 2.5" and 5 pellet 3". There are several slugs available as well.

    Practice a lot with that .410 and you'll either get very good with it or very frustrated by it, as .410 is a difficult size to master. I grew up with one, so I like it, and if it is all you have don't worry, just keep shooting the darn thing.

    gp911
     
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    Sure can. I think it's 3, No 000 pellets. You can get rifled slugs too.
     
  11. ilikepie

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    will the slugs be able to take down a deer?
     
  12. gp911

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    There are those that use them at very short range (20-25 yards, tops) but it isn't for everybody. Those that do so often cut down the barrel by an inch or two to open up the choke and improve accuracy, as many .410s throw slugs into 4 or 5 inch "groups" at 25 yards due to the slugs having to swage down through a full choke (which is the most common choke in .410s). Personally I would want to have a ton of shooting time under my belt with that particular gun before I would ever consider it, as the chances of wounding the animal are just too great. If you want to hunt deer start setting aside some cash toward a bigger bore gun.

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  13. optrader

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    I own a Stevens Model 58B .410 with clip. I am 59 years of age and I have been hunting with this gun since I was 13 years of age. For most of the early years, I had beagle dogs and I hunted rabbits with it. Now, I have squirrel dogs, and I use it to shoot squirrels. I have other guns, but I like it because it is light weight and easy to maneuver. I use 3" shells 6 shot. I don't particularly like the clip and I use it as a single shot. I carry extra shells in my pocket to reload. I have never had any problems with the gun.
    I have a double barrel .410 Stevens Model 311-Series H with a 26" barrel. I can't kill anything with this gun! I could not kill rabbits, nor can I kill squirrels. There is something about the pattern and it seems that only a few pellets actually hit the animal. It is a nice looking gun, but is rather useless to me. If anyone knows what I can do to improve this gun, I would appreciate the help.
     
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    No you can't.
    Lead shot is illegal under Federal law for Migratory waterfowl.

    I don't know of anybody making steel shot loads, or non-toxic shot loads for the .410 bore right off hand.

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    I know lots of people who like the bolt action shotgun for deer; they like the rifle feel and loaded with slugs they work well.
     
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    Yah i think i about had a heart attack earlier today!!! i was at my grandmas and saw what i thought at first was an old lee enfield and a mossberg sitting in a closet! pulled out the lee first and what do you know! it was an old stevens!:eek: Turns out its been rusting for a little while! a quick wipe down with an oily rag and back in it went... Sure hope i inheret that thing one day, it was a pretty nice peice!:p -Chris-
     
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    It technically could take a deer down with a proper shot, heck a .22 can do it, however it's illegal in many states, and less than ideal also. Check your local laws first and foremost.
     
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    While it's possible to shoot doubles with a bolt action, it takes someone who is very experienced with them to do it. I saw my dad do it a few times with his Mossberg 20 gauge bolt action, but then it was the only shottgun he had ever owned.

    For most folks a bolt action is pretty much just a single shot with a couple of extra shells carried on-board so the lack of a magazine isn't that big of a problem. I'd just use it as is until a magazine turned up.

    A .410 will take most small game effectively out to 20-25 yards but you need to pass on longer shots or risk just wounding the animal. That means that waterfowl and pheasants in open terrain are going to be mostly out of range. Also most of them are unfortunately choked "full" which makes them pattern pretty tight. Modified is a much better choice but hard to find.

    Hunting with a .410 is a lot of fun as long as you recognize the limitations and don't try to exceed them.
     
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    .410 bore is NOT legal for waterfowl in any state.
    As for deer, not so sure, but it isn't legal here in Illinois or any of the states around here.

    This makes the .410 a small game gun only.

    There are buckshot loads available for the .410 but they are geared towards defensive use of the gun, not hunting.
    My opinion on slugs in .410 is they were orignally made for farmers to kill beef cows, they are not terribly effective on deer or coyote unless the range is very short and that happens almost never.

    I use .410 and have done so for years, it makes a dandy rabbit and squirrel gun with 3" Field loads #5 shot.
    It is also very effective on treed raccoons.

    Limit your shots to no farther than 30 yards.
     
  20. Bear 45/70

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    Depends on where you live. Here it is illegal to hunter deer with anything less than a 20 Ga., so a 28 and 410 are out as is the 223 in a rifle. However a 410 is not much of a power producer and an ethical hunter would not hunt deer with one.
     
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    I lived in Missouri for a while so show me where you got this tidbit of info. As long as you shoot non toxic shot and not over 10 gauge it is legal for waterfowl 410 non tox is hard to come .
    Did they move Illinois? last time I was throught there it was right next to Indiana . 410 slugs are legal in Indiana they are also legal in Ohio, West Virginia and Florida that I know of.
    out to 50 yards a 410 slug carries the same energy as a lot of 357 mag loads it does not have the sectional density of a 357 but it has plenty enough to kill a deer on a broadside shot through the lungs and a 410 slug throgh the boiler room of a coyote equalls 1 dead coyote.
    Just because you can't get close to deer or yotes doesn't mean no one can...
    I would also be interested in where you heard the 410 slug was made for farmers I have never heard that one
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    And you really think the 410 or a 357 is an adequete hunting caliber for a guy who obviously know nothing about guns or shooting. Your advise sucks at best and is dangeous to other hunters in the field at the worst. [​IMG]
     
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    I wasn't addressing the original poster. It is the "facts" pulled out of the air, as in 410 isn't legal anywhere for waterfowl or 410 slug aren't legal in any state near Illinois That 410 slugs were made for farmers has me scratching my head too. and yes some one with out a whole lot of hunting experience could do ok with either gun as long as they are patient and have common sense, and don't believe the stuff written on the internet by people that have a tim the tool man more power attitude. If you listen to folks on the internet a 410 is only good for humming birds and field mice.
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    Well if there is no non-lead shot then the 410 is illegal on waterfowl. As to using it on deer is stupid and illegal a lot of places. You have your opinion and I have mine and mine is "410 is only good for humming birds and field mice." Why don't you hunt deer with a 22 LR? NOT ENOUGH GUN!
     
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