Steyr HS50's seized in Iraq

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Oh come on, Iran's president just today said they are not sending weapons into Iraq. :rolleyes:

He also said there will be no peace until all foriegners are gone, but I guess that is just him speculating because he says he is not helping them. :rolleyes: He also says Iran's enrichment program is only for fuel purposes, and even though they are one of the most oil rich nations in the world, they are in need of alternative energy. That the public support campaign in Iran about building nuclear weapons to be able to stand up to the west is just propoganda and not true!
He recently also commented on how the Jewish Holocaust in Nazi Germany never happened and was made up by jews to gain sympathy.

You can trust this guy. :rolleyes:
 
Is it just me or does the Iranian president wear the same tan London Fog jacket in EVERY photo?

Question 2: How long to Century Arms imports these rifles? I think they should qualify as C&R after we conquer Iran.
 
Iraqi "insurgents" using Austrian rifles from Iran

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...FF4AVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/02/13/wiran13.xml

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Iraqi insurgents using Austrian rifles from Iran

Austrian sniper rifles that were exported to Iran have been discovered in the hands of Iraqi terrorists, The Daily Telegraph has learned.

More than 100 of the.50 calibre weapons, capable of penetrating body armour, have been discovered by American troops during raids.

A Steyr HS50 rifle, Austrian supplied rifles, arms trade, Iran equipping Iraq insurgents

The guns were part of a shipment of 800 rifles that the Austrian company, Steyr-Mannlicher, exported legally to Iran last year.

The sale was condemned in Washington and London because officials were worried that the weapons would be used by insurgents against British and American troops.

Within 45 days of the first HS50 Steyr Mannlicher rifles arriving in Iran, an American officer in an armoured vehicle was shot dead by an Iraqi insurgent using the weapon.

Over the last six months American forces have found small caches of the £10,000 rifles but in the last 24 hours a raid in Baghdad brought the total to more than 100, US defence sources reported.


The find is the latest in a series of discoveries that indicate that Teheran is providing support to Iraq's Shia insurgents.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, yesterday denied that Iran had supplied weapons to Iraqi insurgents. But on Sunday US officials in Baghdad displayed a range of weapons they claimed had originated in Iran.

They said 170 American and British soldiers had been killed by such weapons.

The discovery of the sniper rifles will further encourage those in Washington who want to see Iran's uranium-enriching facilities destroyed before a nuclear weapon is produced.

The Foreign Office expressed "serious concerns" over the sale of the rifles last year and Britain protested to the Austrian government.

A Foreign Office spokesman said last night: "Although we did make our worries known the sale unfortunately went ahead and now the potential that these weapons could fall into the wrong hands appears to have happened."

The rifle can pierce all body armour from up to a mile and penetrate armoured Humvee troop carriers.

It is highly accurate and fires a round called an armour piercing incendiary, a bullet that the Iranians manufacture.

The National Iranian Police Organisation bought the rifles allegedly to use them against drug smugglers in an £8 million order placed with Steyr in 2005.

The company was given permission to export them by the Austrian government, which is not a Nato membe
 
Maybe if the US Gov had let Americans buy these rifles, they wouldnt have ended up being sold to bad guys to kill Americans. The irony.
 
The National Iranian Police Organisation bought the rifles allegedly to use them against drug smugglers in an £8 million order placed with Steyr in 2005.

Whoa, rough neighborhood.


after we conquer Iran.

A contiguous block of three countries for the U.S. to be stuck in? Sounds delightful. Afghanistan is largely a 19thC nation, and Iraq is practically three different countries, but they've both kept us busy for the last five years.

No need to get too cheerleader about war with Iran, it would be a nasty, nasty business. I would really not care to mess with the Iranian Basiji; any volunteer units specializing in human-wave attacks and "minefield martyrdom" is not to be trifled with. Iran has entire branches of service devoted soleley to guerilla and unconventional warfare.

Unlike the Iraqis, the Iranians actually have something resembling an actual solid nation, 3 times the popuation of Iraq, a real military, terrain including deserts/swamps/mountains/jungles, and religious issues that make Iraqis look like Easter-and-Christmas Lutherans.

-MV
 
I was reading that this is why Steyr is having trouble with the US. There response was to let the US citizens buy their rifles and lessen the tariffs and restrictions placed on them.

Either way I have mixed feelings about this.
 
Yeah I remember Steyr made a statement, "you won't buy them in your country so we'll sell them in Iran." They they could have a choice between the US civ. market and the Iranian market I'm sure they would prefer the US market, but they are excluded from here. They would sell a whole lot of Steyr AUGs if they were allowed here. They're not so the Iranians buy from them. It's capitalism at work.

Anyway, these rifles have a range of about 2 miles. It's 6,000 miles from Iraq to the US, so I can see an easy solution to avoiding danger from these things.
 
The find is the latest in a series of discoveries that indicate that Teheran is providing support to Iraq's Shia insurgents.

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, yesterday denied that Iran had supplied weapons to Iraqi insurgents. But on Sunday US officials in Baghdad displayed a range of weapons they claimed had originated in Iran.
That's....ah.....some pretty condemning evidence there.

On an unrelated note, I want one of those rifles.

It is highly accurate and fires a round called an armour piercing incendiary, a bullet that the Iranians manufacture.
Now, how is THAT legal? :scrutiny: :confused:
 
I think it is simply the fact taht the gun is a .50 so the author assumes it is an incidiary armor piercing round. Just building up the mystique of the .50 so next week when the antis here in the US suggest banning it here they can point to this British article and tell us about the evil gun.
 
No matter what I try to say about this, it just doesn't come out High Road.

Can we declare victory and give Iraq back?
 
CDNN has them for sale in their current catalog, only $2999.99. Just call 1-800-588-9500 to order.

lpl/nc
 
Why, because they are an arms manufacturer selling arms? Dude, we sold missile tech to the Chinese, arms to Iran, yada yada and ad infinitum.

How's about we quit trying to rule the world and worry about the seriously messed up problems we have here in the good ole USA.:)
 
Steyr selling rifles to Iran is no different than your local FFL knowingly selling
to a gang member right after he read about said gang member's felony conviction
in the newspaper.

But, ya know there's probably a bigger picture here I'm sure we're all missing.....
 
Well said, Gun Nut and paco

Anyway, these rifles have a range of about 2 miles. It's 6,000 miles from Iraq to the US, so I can see an easy solution to avoiding danger from these things.

Roger that.

I also don't see that Steyr has done anything wrong here. They make and sell weapons. Iran was buying; we weren't. For a group that always keens "blame the actor, not the tool," some seem ready to tar and feather the hardware man. If Iran shuttles the rifles it purchases and now owns to Iraq, then our quarrel is with Iran, not Steyr. How and why is Steyr culpable, either legally or morally? To suggest they are is to adopt the illogic of Rudy Guliani, Elliot Spitzer, Michael Bloomberg et alia who likewise suggest Taurus, Ruger, Glock, etc. are responsible for the criminal misuse of privately purchased and owned handguns.
 
Well said, Gun Nut and paco

Anyway, these rifles have a range of about 2 miles. It's 6,000 miles from Iraq to the US, so I can see an easy solution to avoiding danger from these things.

Roger that.

What's that mean? It's ok as long as there's absolutely no possibility it
could personally affect you? :barf:

This would be no different than Switzerland supplying weapons to Germany
during WWII and in the arena of international business and politics (often one
and the same), the US can apply pressure to the party doing the selling.
 
No need to get too cheerleader about war with Iran,

Oh, I don't want war with them. I don't even want soldiers to go in there. I'd just assume we used cruise missles and continually flattened them. I don't think these savages are worth one American life. So WHEN we go after them, which is inevitable, let's do it from a long distance and make it so horrific, that they're forced to surrender (alla Japanese in WWII). Does civilian loss make me sad, yes. But would they do the same to us? Yes.
 
So the US military should use a couple of the conficated sniper rifles and zap a couple of Iranian Border guards, to make up for our fly boys that got shot down. Blame it on those pesky "out of control" Insurgents ;)

Ban Steyr Products
 
Steyr selling rifles to Iran is no different than your local FFL knowingly selling
to a gang member right after he read about said gang member's felony conviction
in the newspaper.

Well a lot of people on THR have no problems with ex-cons owning guns.. :)

Im not one of them.. just saying.
 
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