Stocked 16" barreled pistols, 2011 ATF revision

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http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf

As a Thompson Center Contender pistol owner, I'm surprised this revision/clarification from the ATF somehow slipped under my radar until recently. But if I understand this correctly, it basically says that you can convert your pistol into a rifle, and then back into a pistol again. It also eliminates the 'Constructive Possession' thing so you can have a T/C Contender configured as a pistol, AND own a shoulder stock with a rifle barrel, just as long as you don't assemble it into a SBR.


Could gun manufacturers just sell all their firearms as stocked, 16"+ barreled PISTOLS to give the firearm owner more customization options ( and to screw with the ATF's head :neener: )?

I'm thinking something like this would appeal to AR15, AK, and 10/22 owners so you wouldn't have to pay a premium just for a 'pistol version'.
 
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It also eliminates the 'Constructive Possession' thing

First that terminology is wrong, and not what constructive possession means.

Second it doesn't remove what you are referring to entirely. Only if it has a possible legal use.
So for example if you own a rifle and a short barrel that can fit on it, and have no firearms that could legally use that barrel under 16", then just possession of that barrel puts you in illegal possession of a SBR. Even though you have no assembled SBR.

elephant_man said:

Could gun manufacturers just sell all their firearms as stocked, 16"+ barreled PISTOLS to give the firearm owner more customization options

No. Federal law defines something fired from the shoulder to be a rifle/shotgun, or a short barreled rifle/shotgun.
It defines a handgun as being something fired with one hand (ironically since most training and techniques in modern times use two.)

The only reason the pistol is legal and can be put into a rifle configuration and then a pistol configuration is because a SCOTUS decision said so.


If the manufacturer sold it as a stocked firearm then it would be a rifle.

The manufacturer can however sell it as a kit, a handgun with a stock that is not attached. That was also covered in the SCOTUS decision.
They however would have to price it more for the additional stock or other additional accessories, adding to the overall sticker price in a market that is competitive and an extra $100+ can cost you more potential sales.
So how much would they actually benefit by bundling it instead of selling them separately?

The additional danger to the uneducated is that many won't be aware how certain configurations are a serious felony, and others are entirely legal.
You can find all sorts of AR and AK pistols with installed vertical forward grips since they are widely available for the rifles on the market listed for sale for example, even though that makes them illegal AOWs.
Selling handguns with uninstalled barrels, stocks, vertical forward grips and other available components is going to result in a percentage of purchasers assembling them illegally, committing serious federal felonies.
Your average person isn't going to realize they go from legal to 10 year felony based on which ones are attached in combination.
They most likely won't spend time in prison, and will instead simply become felons prohibited from ever owning firearms again, and be on probation for awhile.
 
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The logic is supposed to be this, If I Read the Court Correctly:

A more restricted concealable handgun, purchased and possessed under handgun laws, can be converted to a less restricted type (rifle).

Converting a less restricted type (rifle) purchased and possessed under rifle laws into a more restricted type (concealable handgun) has been used by criminals to evade handgun laws (sawn-off rifle or SBR, sawn-off shotgun or SBS), so it is naughty naughty naughty (according to the intent of congress in restricting SBRs and SBSs in 1934 as "gangster weapons").

Converting a handgun legally purchased and possessed as a handgun to a rifle (and back again) is not an attempt to evade laws putting more restriction on concealable weapons (handguns, AOW, SBS, SBR, etc), so such conversion should be legal as long as the gun was sold and legally possessed as a handgun in the first place.
 
WardenWolf It took years for the ATF to comply with that ruling, though. The ATF stood in contempt of the Supreme Court for a very long time.
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Not true. ATF was never held in contempt of court in that case.
ATF's position was that the Supreme Court ruling affected ONLY that single case. And they were/are correct.

ATF didn't have anything "to comply" with.....the SC sided with Thompson Center and that was it.....ATF had no one else to appeal to. Case closed.
 
No Dogtown Tom that was the ATF's version of what the court decision meant, and obviously what they were able to convince some people that heard their version repeated several times of.

SCOTUS decisions impact the law that is the basis for the legal challenge, and other areas they cover as well within their decision.
If you look at the questions within the law posed in the lower courts and what caused the SCOTUS to address the case in the first place it helps see the laws being addressed.

The law in question is what their decision was addressing. Their comments on the 'great utility' of a gun that could be both a pistol, and a rifle, at the whim of the shooter to suit different scenarios is also worth noting.
You don't have that utility in a one way conversion.



The ATF argued their case, argued the legal merits behind it, lost their case, and then refused to lose by stating the decision meant what they had wanted all along, just for every other gun in existence.
Declaring their loss was in fact the victory they wanted, refusing to accept the ramifications of what the legal decision would mean to how they enforced the law.
That is not how the court system works, how precedence works, and certainly not how a decision from the highest court in the nation works.
SCOTUS decisions have an impact on federal and state laws all across the country on what they address, and part of why the court tries to keep SCOTUS decisions and what issues are addressed to a minimum. Why they refuse to hear far more cases than they actually hear, and why they only deal with certain subjects every couple decades many times.
It causes an annoying ripple effect in law each time, and can invalidate various premises and legal pillars some other state and federal laws may be based around. It becomes THE interpretation of that law, rather than the several slightly different interpretations that arise around the country in different jurisdictions over the course of time on many different issues.
Laws must be reinterpreted, sometimes in contrast with prior longstanding views, and re-interpretations of one law can cause the premise of several other laws to be less legally sound, based on case laws within different jurisdictions.
It causes a lot of trouble to say the least.





However the ATF fixed it, and the problem is no more, so it is not important to devote a lot of time to the legal basis of why the prior actions were wrong.
 
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ATF's position was that the Supreme Court ruling affected ONLY that single case. And they were/are correct.
No they were wrong. Miranda didn't only effect that single case. That's not what case law is.
 
...prior letter rulings ... are hereby superseded. Date approved: July 25, 2011
www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf
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26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM )

26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM)

26 U.S.C. 5845(c): DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)

27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL)

A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they: (a) serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; or (b) convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length). A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol). A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.

ATF Rul. 2011-4

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received requests from individuals to classify pistols that are reconfigured into rifles, for personal use, through the addition of barrels, stocks, and other parts and then returned to a pistol configuration by removal of those components. Specifically, ATF has been asked to determine whether such a pistol, once returned to a pistol configuration from a rifle, becomes a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

Some manufacturers produce firearm receivers and attachable component parts that are designed to be assembled into both rifles and pistols. The same receiver can accept an interchangeable shoulder stock or pistol grip, and a long (16 or more inches in length) or short (less than 16 inches) barrel. These components are sold individually, or as unassembled kits. Generally, the kits include a receiver, a pistol grip, a pistol barrel less than 16 inches in length, a shoulder stock, and a rifle barrel 16 inches or more in length.

Certain parts or parts sets are also designed to allow an individual to convert a pistol into a rifle without removing a barrel or attaching a shoulder stock to the pistol. These parts consist of an outer shell with a shoulder stock into which the pistol may be inserted. When inserted, the pistol fires a projectile through a rifled extension barrel that is 16 inches or more in length, and with an overall length of 26 inches or more. Other parts sets require that certain parts of the pistol, such as the pistol barrel and the slide assembly, be removed from the pistol frame prior to attaching the parts sets. Typically, a separate barrel is sold with the parts set, which is 16 inches or greater in length. The barrel is installed along with an accompanying shoulder stock. The resulting firearm has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an overall length of 26 inches or more.

The NFA, Title 26, United States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 53, requires that persons manufacturing, importing, transferring, or possessing firearms as defined in the NFA comply with the Act’s licensing, registration, and taxation requirements. The NFA defines the term “firearm” at 26 U.S.C. 5845(a) to include “(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;” (“short-barreled rifle”) and “(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length” (“weapon made from a rifle”). The term “rifle” is defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(c) and 27 CFR 479.11 as “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.” Although not defined in the NFA, the term “pistol” is defined by the Act’s implementing regulations, 27 CFR 479.11, as “a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s)”

Unassembled Parts Kits

In United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Company, 504 U.S. 505 (1992), the United States Supreme Court examined whether a short-barreled rifle was “made” under the NFA when a carbine-conversion kit consisting of a single-shot “Contender” pistol was designed so that its handle and barrel could be removed from its receiver, and was packaged with a 21-inch barrel, a rifle stock, and a wooden fore-end. The Court held that, where aggregated parts could convert a pistol into either a regulated short-barreled rifle, or an unregulated rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, the NFA was ambiguous and applied the “rule of lenity” (i.e., ambiguities in criminal statutes should be resolved in favor of the defendant) so that the pistol and carbine kit, when packaged together, were not considered a “short-barreled rifle” for purposes of the NFA.

However, the Court also explained that an NFA firearm is made if aggregated parts are in close proximity such that they: (a) serve no useful purpose other than to make an NFA firearm (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and a short barrel); or (b) convert a complete weapon into an NFA firearm (e.g., a pistol and attachable shoulder stock, or a long-barreled rifle and attachable short barrel). Id. at 511-13.

Assembly of Weapons from Parts Kits

The Thompson/Center Court viewed the parts within the conversion kit not only as a Contender pistol, but also as an unassembled “rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). The inclusion of the rifle stock in the package brought the Contender pistol and carbine kit within the "intended to be fired from the shoulder" language in the definition of rifle at 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). Id. at 513 n.6. Thompson/Center did not address the subsequent assembly of the parts. United States v. Ardoin, 19 F.3d 177, 181 (5th Cir. 1994). Based on the definition of “firearm” in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), if parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, a regulated short-barreled rifle has been made. See, e.g., United States v. Owens, 103 F.3d 953 (11th Cir. 1997); United States v. One (1) Colt Ar-15, 394 F. Supp. 2d 1064 (W.D.Tenn. 2004). Conversely, if the parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels 16 inches in length or more, a rifle not subject to the NFA has been made.

Therefore, so long as a parts kit or collection of parts is not used to make a firearm regulated under the NFA (e.g., a short-barreled rifle or “any other weapon” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(e)), no NFA firearm is made when the same parts are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length). Merely assembling and disassembling such a rifle does not result in the making of a new weapon; rather, it is the same rifle in a knockdown condition (i.e., complete as to all component parts). Likewise, because it is the same weapon when reconfigured as a pistol, no “weapon made from a rifle” subject to the NFA has been made.

Nonetheless, if a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length is assembled or otherwise produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle, such a weapon is a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4). Such a weapon would not be a “pistol” because the weapon was not originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile by one hand.

Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:

(a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or

(b) Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including –

(1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and

(2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel of less than 16 inches in length.

Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA.

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts in a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length).

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA.

To the extent this ruling may be inconsistent with any prior letter rulings, they are hereby superseded.

Date approved: July 25, 2011

Kenneth E. Melson
Acting Director
 
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