Stoeger 2000 or Rem 11-87

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I looked at both of these in my local shop this afternoon and I'm not really sure which way to go... As far as I can tell the Stoeger has a good reputation and obviously so does the Remington. They are both around the same price, the Remington is used and the Stoeger is not. I really just want a shotgun for range time, I was originally thinking pump but then was drawn more toward these two after realizeing for slightly more I could go semi-auto(also because I missed out on a consignment deal at my range, $550 for a Benelli M1... the range decided they were buying it for one of their own guns).

Which one would you go with if you were in this same position?
 
For about the same money as the Benelli, you can get a new Beretta from Walmart. Best buy in semi-auto shotgun in my opinion.
 
Any reason in particular to go with the Remington?

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For about the same money as the Benelli, you can get a new Beretta from Walmart. Best buy in semi-auto shotgun in my opinion.
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I don't think any of the Walmarts around here sell any guns... I'll have to look in to that though.
 
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I would take the 11-87. Why? I own one. To be completely honest, I have put that poor scatter rifle through hell and back. And hell and back again. At this point, I have taken so much game with it, I cannot remember how many bird or deer I have taken with it. I have never had to worry about the gun. It has gone bang every time.

Actually, I did have to fix it once. I have shot the gun so much, the fore stock collapsed (wood). I had to get some new synthetic furniture for her.

Semi auto shotguns are like rifles. You get what you pay for. Buy a good one, or you will have a nightmare on your hands.
 
Stoeger 2000

I love everything about inertia driven systems. It's not like Stoeger parts are gonna disappear off the face of the world. "small chevy block of shotguns"... there's a reason why there's a whole load of parts for these things in the first place. Buying something with the reasoning in mind of having lots of parts to constantly fix it with perplexes me.
 
A few things to consider. The 11-87 is built like a tank. They will weigh between 8 1/4 to 8 1/2 lbs. unless you can find one with a "light contour" barrel and I think they stopped making those. If you find one with a light barrel subtract about 1/2 lb. from that. They are usually reliable and if kept clean about the only part that wears out is the rubber "O" ring which can easily and cheaply be replaced. If you go with the 11-87 get a few rings for piece of mind and replace once a year or so depending on how much you shoot. The 11-87 will be the softest shooter because of the gas operating system and weight. I've had a couple over the years and had no problems with them but my style of hunting involves a lot of walking and I prefer something lighter.

I had a Stoeger and loved the light weight. Mine was just a hair under 7 lbs and in the 2 years I owned it it never malfunctioned. Because of the light weight and recoil operating system it will beat you up more and is not the best choice for a lot of clay shooting. I ran across a great deal on a used Benelli which I bought and did not feel I needed a copy of the Benelli when I now had the original. Put mine up on consignment at a local shop and actually sold mine for more than I paid for it. I have read nothing but good things about them but they have not been out long enough to have a lot of field testing.

In an earlier post I suggested the Beretta. I have had a 390 for about 12 years now and think it is the best all around. Mine weighs 7 1/2 lbs and is a soft shooting gas operated gun. No problems at all and while I am a hunter and not a competition shooter I understand the Beretta's are the prefered choice of competion shooters. The 390 has been replaced by the 391 but Walmart carries a plain version of it with black synthetic stock and less bells and whistles for about $550 that I think is a lot of gun for the money.
 
For primarliy the range, the 11-87, no contest. A gas operated gun will produce much less felt recoil than any recoil operated system. Witness the fact that Benelli has developed a whole new recoil reducing stock system for their Super Black Eagles. That is not a slam at them. It's something Mossberg should have done for their pumps in my opinion. Ditto for all those who came along later.
You can argue endlessly about brands but to be honest I do not believe there is all that much difference between the reputable brands for the average use shooter.
When it comes to autoloaders or pumps I am a 46 year Remington man. Whatever you prefer, I am sure you are not going to change my mind, and I am not going to change yours. That's fine, we all have bigger battles to fight anyway.
 
I own both of these guns. Both have been very reliable. My "go to" gun for most of my shooting is the 2000. With a Limbsaver, it is about as perfect an upland gun as one could want. The 11-87 is a mite too heavy for toting all day in the uplands. I got used to the 2000 and never shoot the 11-87 any more.

Both are reliable guns. If I had to pick one it would be the 2000 with a Limbsaver. If a good recoil pad wasn't available, I would say the 11-87 due to it lesser recoil. With a Limbsaver, the 2000 shoots as soft as any gun.
 
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"A few things to consider. The 11-87 is built like a tank. They will weigh between 8 1/4 to 8 1/2 lbs. unless you can find one with a "light contour" barrel and I think they stopped making those. If you find one with a light barrel subtract about 1/2 lb. from that. They are usually reliable and if kept clean about the only part that wears out is the rubber "O" ring which can easily and cheaply be replaced"

You have no idea how dirty mine has gotten, and still functioned. I also have 3 buddies that all have the 11-87. None of the guns are treated like royalty, if you know what I mean. The 4 of us combined have never had a malfunction. As for the "o"rings, they are $3 and last about 2 years.
 
Buying something with the reasoning in mind of having lots of parts to constantly fix it with perplexes me.
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The parts availability issue isn't because the 11/87 is unreliable. The point is that one day my grandchildren will likely be shooting an 11-87 that was passed down to them. It will still be working, and they will still be able to get parts for it if it has an issue (as all mechanical things eventually do).

Can you say that about the Stoeger? Maybe. But I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Der Verge, FYI, the O-rings for the 11-87 are made of viton rubber and can be bought for $3.50/dozen. I got this tip from a gunsmith many years ago. My hunting club members used to buy the factory O-rings for around $4.00 until we found this out. These viton O-rings last pretnear forever. #21 for 12 gauge. #19 for 20 gauge.

If there are several Remingtons in your hunting group, you can save a few coins by buying a dozen. Gunsmiths charge $4.00 apiece for them. They have to make a living, too.
 
rbernie, I bet you took one of those outdoor survival classes that taught people how to hunt and start a fire with sticks to prepare for the oncoming y2k fiasco thinking bullets and matches wouldn't work :D
 
rbernie, I bet you took one of those outdoor survival classes that taught people how to hunt and start a fire with sticks
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When I was a kid, we called it 'Boy Scouts'.

<shrug>

Some folks like to live in a disposable society. I'm not one of 'em (altho I do occasionally use a disposable razor).
 
DISPOSABLE RAZOR?!?! HA. I use my grandfathers brass razor holder. You put the disposable old school razors in to!

Yes, I like quality products that last..........old or new.
 
I've had an 11-87 for the past 18 years. Always been reliable; always been a joy to shoot. I've bought other shotguns since, but wonder why I even bother since I can shoot the 11-87 so much better.

That said, go with whatever feels more natural to you. The best shotgun in the world doesn't mean much if it doesn't fit you.
 
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