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Folks , I am not a moderator.

I have to post this and yes I know it is probably in the wrong forum - I did so on purpose - so folks would read it. :)

Now I have made MANY mistakes on THR and TFL , I have apologized and I do so again now. There is not enough bandwith on both forums to list all my mistakes.

I was new and goofed, I have more experience now - and still make them.

What is going on ?

I have been doing some research here on THR . I have been working with some folks via PM and email. I have been reading some threads ...

I have PM-d mods many a time on "report this thread to a mod" . Folks - one of the things Rich / TFL taught us was to Police Ourselves. That is one of the reasons TFL was so Unique.

We brought this to THR and we have to remember we have folks that are from all over the World. Some places do NOT have the freedoms the US does.

We have those that are FLAT against Gun Owners and RKBA. We have many Folks that seek knowledge, THR is found by a search engine such as Google or Teoma. Many of these folks may never register , some may be fence sitters, we NEED to keep the HighRoad.

Attraction not Promotion gets a lot folks to change their thinking about responsible firearm ownerships.

http://www.thehighroad.org/code-of-conduct.html

Just wanted to Remind MYSELF first - then us all.

Steve
 
......the chair is behind the door......

......John has a long mustache......


Oh yes, I agree with you as well. Our conduct here and on other popular boards reflects our image as a group.
So far, I'm sure THRers and TFLers have only served to enhance our civilized image.
 
So far, I'm sure THRers and TFLers have only served to enhance our civilized image.
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Oh yeah…

I recall on a very heated thread I posted some years back on TFL about Glocks, one particular gent became so mad he posted that he was going to "show me what is Glock could do", Rich quickly deleted that one as he and I took it as an overt threat not an invitation to go to the range based on the other mindless dribble this fool was also posting.

And now we have a thread going which a lot of regular posters here are advocating escalation of a encounter with a loss prevention officer for a store into a potential arrest situation simply because they do not want to be bothered with the simple act of showing a store employee a receipt.

Many here are constantly advocate planning and preparing for armed resistance for an inevitable encounter with (among other things) the government. That won’t look good when the liberals dig it up and turn us all into a bunch of Branch Davidian types…

You have folks here who constantly bash LEO’s at every turn of the corner simply because they have a set-in-stone notion that very soon all cops will be kicking in their door taking away their guns…

For someone just passing thru, on the outside looking in, it would appear that most here at a bit off their rocker, adding fuel to the “are these the people who own all the guns in the USA�




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TheFederalistWeasel said:
And now we have a thread going which a lot of regular posters here are advocating escalation of a encounter with a loss prevention officer for a store into a potential arrest situation simply because they do not want to be bothered with the simple act of showing a store employee a receipt.
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Wow, I'm constantly amazed how people try to spin things to fit their narrow view. Nobody was "advocating escalation of a encounter". They were simple saying that they would not agree to a voluntary search. What's so wrong about that?

As for thread quality, nothing has yet trumped the short "nuke em all" period. Although it's still readily apparent that certain posters still harbor those feelings.
 
I think it's about the cop "bashing" that goes on in Roundtable. I used the " " because it's been going both ways with the cops doing civilian "bashing".

I agree that we need to cool down abit with the bashing and also the subdued personal attacks (of which I am shamefully guilty of). But it's both sides that need to calm down with the remarks, not just one side or the other.

Wayne
 
You need to re-read that post CannibalCrowley, there are numerous posts yours included which, if they came to pass would escalate the situation into a potential conflict.

I’m sorry you cannot see that…

A lot of folks on that thread are worried about the “Stupid Door Drones†and “Idiotic Securityâ€, if you know they are stupid and idiotic then why, willingly, by your own admission would you place yourself into a situation where you will be automatically outnumbered by these “Stupid Door Drones†and “Idiotic Securityâ€, once half the store shows up to assist because you are “creating a scene†and you will automatically be assumed the bad guy and place considerable doubt into the minds of any arriving LEO, once he has 2, 4, 5, 10, 20? Employees plus a video with no sound showing YOU escalating the situation after the LPO has made contact with you, all because you didn’t steal anything you let your ego/libertarian you can’t touch me cause I didn’t do anything views cloud your judgment.

For the record, I think everyone I have ever locked up at one point told me they didn’t do whatever it was they were being accused of or I caught them doing.

Some even resisted, many were pepper sprayed; three went to the ER with broken bones (legs mostly due to an encounter with my ASP) some were tazed by other officers but they all had one thing in common they all went to jail, charged with whatever the initial complaint was plus obstruction, the three which required hospital treatment were charged and convicted under FELONY obstruction PLUS they had to repay the city for the medical treatment.

The last case I disposed was in November of 2004, person was sentenced to 5 years, to serve 1 with 4 on intensive probation, $5,000 fine plus court cost, probation fees, plus city medical reimbursement.

He only had minor traffic violations on his record, prior to this incident and I believe one loitering conviction, all misdemeanors.

Because he decided he wanted to resist on a traffic stop, (he ran a red light) he not only went to prison but he was seriously hurt in the process. I thank God for in car cameras, the judge watched it once, the jury saw it twice at the request of the judge, and they convicted him in less than 30 minutes.

He was an idiot…

What makes your story any different form the last 5,000 times the cop has heard that line?

See where I’m going with this?

Acting the fool, for no reason, will get you jailed if nothing more than DOC or Disturbing the Peace.
 
I disagree with TFW

For every ignorant comment made there are 10 inteligent level headed comments to refute it.

If that does not hold true for a certain thread it is closed with an explanation of why (usually)

We may be gun owners but we are also people, with differing views, ideals, and opinions
 
In all fairness, Federalist Weasel, a Door Drone (tm) is very different from a LEO. I (and most of us here) would comply with verbal commands from a LEO, where we might not from anyone else.
 
Unfortunately, there are store employees who believe their mission in life is to harass customers. Equally unfortunately, there are honest customers who resent any attempt to question any of their actions.

The best way those customers can avoid trouble with those employees is to not patronize that store. It is so simple. Why give your money to people if they do not treat you courteously?

I was given the "treatment" at a large warehouse "club", although I was not searched. I have never gone back, and have never missed the place. They had nothing I could not buy elsewhere, and the few bucks I saved were not worth the necessity of having to buy more than I needed, not to mention the hassle involved.

Jim
 
Hmm....

1. Everybody makes mistakes or has a bad day.
2. Everybody sees something a little bit differently.
3. Yes, some people are jerks, or worse.
4. Sometimes discussions get out of line.

From what I've seen, we manage to keep a civil forum with nothing more than gentle rebukes and the very occasional closure of a thread. That's a very good record.
 
Courtesy works

I work in a prison. I deal with rapists, murderers, drug dealers and sex offenders everyday, I have found that with out fail courtesy works. A simple "excuse me" or a "Thank you" works wonders. You can be insistant, even demanding without being a jacka**. When I encounter an inmate with a bad attitude I lower my voice and speak calmly and courtiously to him until he complies or escalates to where I have to change tactics. More often than not it works, and when it doesn't the inmate has already decided he was going to go for it before I even arrived. Nobody responds well to a bad attitude and rude behavior. Why make things worse when you do not have to. Thats one of the reasons I like "The High Road", it has so many people having so many different points of view and everybody gets a chance to have their say.

I hope it stays that way.
 
Good post SM. I'm with TFW (et als). I'm often surprised at some of the responses when "innocents" are stopped or asked for ID by LEO's or even door drones. Why look for trouble?

Additionally, keep the "lurkers" and Anti's in mind: it doesn't tkae a lot to look REAL FREAKIN' BAD!! Think of the stories where the local VFD screwed up (They're Volunteers and often darned good!); the bad rep stays for years. Same with lots of other things and gunowners are certainly not exempt!!

Having said that, we're usually pretty good here. I like this forum!

Stay safe.
Bob
 
I've been here as a member for several months now, and have concluded that this is a forum I enjoy, and that I don't mind being a "Member" of. with that said, I have seen some posts that make me wonder about things, but I have met some good and interesting people through this site. I have gotten some good advice, and hopefully given the same to others. Yes, some people offer bad posts. Some slam LEO's, civilians, military, lawyers (GASP!). But, at the same time, I've gotten PM'd by people who offer support to me as a prosecuting attorney, and even some who offer appreciation for teh fact that I do my job based upon the facts and the law, and not the politically correct or generally accepted positions. That, my friends, is why I keep coming back, and will continue do so.
 
You catch more bees with honey than with vinegar.

In 61 years I have never been confronted by a retail person, leo, guard, security person et al. I've also worked in law enforcement and in the private sector that depended on very good customer service in order to make a living. Most confrontations that I have had in those regards began with someone having a bad attitude about something that carried over into my spectrum. I learned that returning calmness when confrontation is presented usually stops the problem.

As regards to THR, I think just about anybody that is a denizen here is able to have a discussion about something that is emotionally charged without crossing the line. (knowing as he says that, that he has violated his own principle on a few occasions. I believe that is the pot calling the kettle black)

We just need a reminder once in awhile to think twice, post once.
 
Politeness

I like Grampster's "Think twice, post once" dictum. I have hurriedly edited a few of my own posts because of not doing that. Civility, gentlemen, is where it's at.

I was once told, never put anything on the Internet that you wouldn't want to see on the front page of your own howmetown newspaper. If that works, fine.

The oft-repeated advice to "never annoy Art (Eatman)'s Gramma" is also good.

My own THR (and Internet) self-check is this: "Always keep your words soft and sweet. That way it doesn't hurt if you have to eat them." :)
 
I wish I could fuigure out how to do a "Quote"

I like that Smokey Joe, "Always keep your words soft and sweet. That way it doesn't hurt if you have to eat them."
Not that I have always done it, but I do try.

jojo
 
jojo,- I wish I could fuigure out how to do a "Quote"
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This is the first VBulletin forum I've seen that didn't have the simple "Quote" button enabled on every post.
It's there, but the admins have to enable that feature. :uhoh:

jojo, you have a "PM".
 
"jojo, you have a "PM"."

Could somebody PM me also? I have gone to the tech forum here and still can't figure out how to do the fancy blue box quote since the button was disabled. :confused:

BTW, the old quote button (on the old forum software worked just fine).
 
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