Stop For a Minute - Please!

[Smokey Joe]

Soft sweet words

Sometimes I, too, don't manage those, and have to eat them. They taste bitter, or sour, and the points of the capital A's really hurt my gums.

 

[rock jock]

TFW makes some very good points. The libertarian streak on THR is strong, to the point that some members are advocating instant resistance and a confrontational attitude towards anybody that is in any position of authority, governmental or otherwise. Standing up for your rights is a uniquely American trait, one which I would hope we would all continue, but please do it with maturity and character for the sake of all gun owners but mostly for your own reputation.

 

[Moondoggie]

I just reread the entire thread regarding store security personnel's authority.

The only folks who talked about using physical force were presumed LEO's. TFW mentioned that he and his bretheren would "beat the brakes off you" and Sean described how he used the color of authority to badge his way out of using escalating force against an obnoxious store employee. In Sean's case I'm sure a simple flash of the badge and a stern warning at the onset of the incident to the store employee that he might just be barking up the wrong tree would have sufficed. One purported store LP person seemed to relish the opportunity of physically subduing folks with impunity.

The remainder of us voiced varying opinions of displeasure regarding our real or potential treatment by retailers' policies and personnel. Most of us seem to be independent minded folks who strongly resent being hassled without good reason. No one advocated refusing to cooperate with actual LEO. The most common course of action espoused was "just keep walking and ignore them". The manner in which store personnel interacted with the customer seems to be a major determining factor in the attitude adopted by our members. Polite little old ladies seem to elicit a greater willingness to cooperate.

Are we supposed to present ourselves as something other than what we really are for the sake of appearances?? Is that The High Road? I apologize if I'm not a "senior enough" member to ask these questions.

That's my .02 cents.

 

[Sean85746]

:banghead:

Mods...Other than simply never soming back, how does one remove oneself from the forum?

 

[P95Carry]

Sean ... ''removal''??? If really needed, you can have your name removed from member's list.

If there is something bothering you feel free to PM me or other mods.

 

[Brian Dale]

Moondoggie, you wrote,

I apologize if I'm not a "senior enough" member to ask these questions.

I'm a little puzzled that someone would feel the need to include that; I hope it's simply out of politeness.

I'll answer with my own take on it; someone will correct me if I'm wrong. I have plenty of posts; that conveys no more authority than the first post of a new member, as far as I'm aware.

No. You're not out of line at all with such questions. I have never felt a need, nor any pressure, to present myself as other than I really am here at THR. That is its primary attraction for me. My feeling about THR results in large part from the courtesy that virtually everyone exhibits here, the wealth of knowledge that's shared and the willingness of almost everyone to acknowledge their own mistakes and to learn from those who know more.

And I've been more impressed than I can adequately express by the willingness of the most experienced, the curmudgeons (I mean that in the kindest way) and the Mods to say, "yup; I was wrong, and I've got egg on my face. Sorry, everybody" -- and that they only say that when they are wrong.

So what is "taking the High Road?" You've demonstrated by what you write that you do know what it is.


But we still get to do this:


sm: Thanks. Just Thanks. Again.

 

[Moondoggie]

Bob;

My purpose for mentioning a factor of "seniority" on the forum was in case I've missed something in the big picture regarding the premise of the thread, which seemed to be maintaining the positive image of the forum in particular and gun owners/enthusiasts in general.

 

[spacemanspiff]

i think i missed something too. the last time i recall THR having to call in the fire department was over the whole 'no-knock warrants' and the superintense leo-bashing that came with it.

i havent noticed a lot of inflammatory stuff recently, even in the department store security thread.

 

[Brian Dale]

That's just 'cause you're a tough ol' sourdough, spiff.

Wait a minute -- I haven't noticed anything specific, either. But thanks to sm for the gentle reminder: our words are open to all and those words matter. "Attraction rather than repulsion" ain't exactly what you wrote, sm, but I think that it's useful for me to repeat that phrase to myself.

Not ignoring your response, Moondoggie; I just don't have anything to add or to disagree with in what you wrote.

 

[B36]

Tone

The tone of a site is set by the administration. Admin drives the moderators. Moderators police site.

Self policing does not work, and never has. As long as the poster does not have to face the person he attacks IN PERSON, there is no fear factor. The ability to remain anonymous on this medium allows all sorts of activity that would not otherwise be acceptable in our society.

The strength and character of the site owner/administrator will govern the conduct of the site.

Members can help.

 

[rlq9thrk]

the sheep look up

InTune wrote:

"The shepherd always knows how to direct the sheep. It’s the wolves that scare him. And rightfully so."

Perhaps the shepherd is scared that the wolf will eat the sheep before the shepherd himself can do so. Wonder what scares the sheep?

 

[dev_null]

I know I'll get flamed for this, but what the hey...

If we're going to consider how we come across to others (and isn't that part of communication?), then I suggest that we also take a moment to consider spelling and grammar. I know, I know -- this ain't Miss Pomfleroy's Finishing School, and for some of us English is our second language (including me, I might point out), but it only takes a minute to go back and correct obvious errors so as not to perpetuate the image of gunowners as ignorant, double-digit IQ, gully-dwelling goobers who post things like "I kno thet my Rugar is just is good is a glokc, but..."

I'm not suggesting we all need to obsess over whether a simple forum post is ready for publication in Scientific American, just pointing out that it doesn't take much to look over and correct the more egregious misteaks. ( )

OK, donning asbestos skivvies...

- 0 -

 

[Brian Dale]

Don't worry too much, dev_null; it isn't wrong to glance at posts for typos, or to edit them as we see them. No flames here. And aren't those skivvies kinda scratchy?

 

[USP45usp]

I think, in a way, all of our questions have been answered.

When it comes to the feds and LEO's on the board, we are, and always be, the bad guys until we prove ourselves innocent, with much money inbetween. With the others, we are guilty, until we prove ourselves innocent.

It's a shame really, I am starting to like TFW and others. They are following their rules of the job, which do go against the Constitution but will follow them anyway. They follow man's law, not the law's given in the constitution. I can't blame them really, they just want to go home.

Lets just let this die. The LEO's and the Fed's in the forum and in the US look at us as BG's, we must prove that we are not by bowing down to any of their commands. The more passive we are, the better they feel.

I always bring it up but they will never answer, I just wanted to come home also when I was in the middle east. I could have violated peoples rights (that don't even have the rights that we have here in the US) but I didn't. Sure, each time that I had to interact with a national I was afraid (they don't have the gun laws that we have) but I treated them with respect and with honor.

It's a different country over here. You are treated like a BG or scum until you satisfy the LEO or authority.

I lived in GA for over 3 years, I was stationed 50% at Moody AFB, the other 50% in other countries. I know about the Valdosta area, they gave our black personal a hard time (traveling while black?). My under Airman came in on Mondays complaining that they got a ticket on I-75. This is the same city that the cops shot out the tires on cars on the same highway with shotguns.

I think, due my growing up in the GA and Fla area, TFW is either in Tift or Tifton county. Cook county makes a good standing also. I don't think that he's in atlanta but inbetween Valdosta and Macon. Crisp county perhaps?

I was a child at Warner Robins (close to Macon) and then my father retired to Fla, Live Oak (McAlpin). I was stationed at Moody (Valdosta) but as a child we drove up to Macon) many of times. Yes TFW, you are in my home territory and I wish that we will meet up... just to try to figure you out. I know that us Southern Boys can be harsh, but damn man.

(I think that I gave enough insight to show, I've been and lived in your area).

Wayne

 

[spacemanspiff]

let this die?? LET THIS DIE??? LET THIS DIE????

we wouldnt be us if we didnt beat a dead horse at least once a week. psssshawww!

 

[sm]

Self policing does not work, and never has.

I beg to differ, respectfully of course.

Personally I have seen many a member remind another of the Rules of Conduct, a post edited, a person apologize , and members " shake hands" - even if they still disagreed. They did agree to disagree.

I have edited my own posts, and have rec'd a number of PMs or email as to why I did so...these from members, NOT Oleg, Staff, or Mods.

The other day I rec'd a PM from a Mod, whom made a "polite suggestion" about one of my posts. I edited my post, Mod PM-ed me again, he was happy he had chosen to PM me with suggestion instead of doing so in the thread.

I told him - as I have any THR Staff, AND members to PM me if I need to be .

This Forum is NOT about me. This Forum serves as a medium of ideas for folks all over the world, for or against what THR members "joined for".