Streamlight Protac 2AA??

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OK, I'm pretty flashlight-ignorant :eek: but trying to catch up... I am going to FINALLY replace my xenon maglites and I'm considering buying this: http://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-8...e=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1304904998&sr=1-2 for EDC, interior and mid range exterior use.

I like it because it uses "available everywhere" 2AA batteries. The output and throw seem good and it has simple low-high-strobe settings. And the Amazon list price seems reasonable compared to some other lights. Although I am concerned about the burn time as listed here:http://www.streamlight.com/documents/fact-sheet/211.pdf It seems to lose intensity pretty fast. Is that on par with 2AA LEDs?

So does anyone have any experience with this model? Do you think it is a good purchase? Is there a better alternative I should consider with similar features and comparable price range?
 
well i have the same version in C123......and i absolutely love mine

as for run time........high lumens kind of put a strain on AA batteries........so its not out of the ordinary to see relatively lower run times.....thats the trade off for using cheaper and more available batteries.....

as for intensity, you will see the same thing with just about any NiMh or zinc-carbon battery....

if you want a 'better' power curve, you are better off using NiCd or lithium batteries.
 
You should at least take a look at the 4sevens line of lights.

http://www.4sevens.com/index.php?cPath=297

They have a number of lights that usually outperform the Streamlights and Surefires lumen wise for the same battery.
They also come with a 10 year warranty.

I like this for a around the house type:

http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=297_330&products_id=2506

Runs on AAs 190 Lumens (ANSI OTF, Out the Front).

For everyday carry (EDC), something like this is handy for pocket carry.

http://www.4sevens.com/index.php?cPath=297_355

I have a half dozen 4 Sevens lights from key chain size to one of my favorite carrys, the Preon II in AAA. It is a stylus type, can carry it in the shirt pocket like a pen and I like the small diameter taller format for pocket carry.

The C2 R5 is an amazingly small light with tremendous output for its size.
The battery size is a "bastard" but the light is truly astounding @ 180 lumens.

http://www.4sevens.com/product_info.php?cPath=297_355&products_id=2197

Here is my lightweight version of EDC.
Seecamp .380
Spyderco Native
4Sevens Preon II

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I hesitate a little every time I'm about to jump into a "flashlight" thread. I used to be completely flashlight-ignorant. I figured anything that said LED on the packaging, and looked tactical would be a decent light (the types you find at Costco, Walmart, Target, hardware stores, etc.) Eventually I started researching, going through trial-and-error sessions with inexpensive lights, and I've discovered a lot.

I am by no means an expert, simply a new "flashaholic" trying to understand my disease...;)

There are dozens of good quality flashlight brands out there. And there are hundreds of poor quality brands. I would put Streamlight somewhere near the lower-middle section of the good brands. They are good lights for the price. One of the best lights I own in terms of build quality is a Streamlight TLR-1 weapon light.

But even better lights can be found (in the same price range) through a little research, if you are willing to buy online without actually holding and playing with the light. There aren't any dedicated flashlight stores that I know of, and so brands like Surefire, Streamlight, and Maglite can sometimes be the only "big-name" brands you'll find on local shelves.

I would start by taking a look at some of these:

Fenix, Nitecore, Jetbeam, Eagletac, 4Sevens

Remember a few things:

The highest advertised lumen rating isn't always "better" than a less powerful light.

Strobe modes (or "disco" modes as flashaholics disdainfully call them) get old very quickly when you start using flashlights a lot.

UI (user interface) preferences are individual to everyone and they come in too many variations to list but you won't know what you like or hate until you have to use it regularly.

Some lights "throw" and some lights "flood", and a 100-lumen thrower might look brighter to the eye on an indoor white wall than a 260-lumen flood light.

Once you start realizing how far flashlight technology has come in the last few years, you'll likely end up needing several lights for different occasions, and it will quickly snowball into a disease!
 
Thanks for all the input. Yeah, the more research I do, the more questions I have. For example what exactly is a CREE LED bulb and why does it seem to be so popular? Also, it seems that with some lights, the momentary on-off function (slightly depress power button with out getting the "click") now serves as a programing function. So instead of getting a quick flash I will go into programming mode? That doesn't work for me.

Those 4Sevens seem really nice but they are a little pricey as compared to other brands. Originally I was considering something in the $30-40 price range for starters. Perhaps they are much better quality and worth it? It's hard to tell from the screen. I did like the programming function of the Quark Tactical because even though it has seven modes you don't have to cycle through all every time, you can preselect two. Ten year warranty also sounds nice... This other model seems attractive for the price:http://www.amazon.com/Quark-MiNI-Flashlight-Black-lumens/dp/B004NTEFPK/ref=pd_cp_e_1 But it seems to have tricky mode select system, no click button and appears to have more flood than throw which may limit it outdoors.

I found this Fenix light:http://www.amazon.com/Fenix-Flashli...E8TG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1305041296&sr=8-1 which seems to fit almost exactly what I am looking for. It has a simple high-low function.The only thing it's missing is a pocket clip. However it seems that the "low" setting is a little bright for reading or indoor use?? I think it's made in China though, but then again probably 90% of all lights are...

Surefires are pretty much out of the question because they are way too expensive. Are they even worth it?
 
what exactly is a CREE LED bulb and why does it seem to be so popular?

Cree is the largest manufacturer of LED modules. They have many different kinds, such as XP-G, XR-E, XM-L, etc. Each module has different characteristics, runtimes, beam color tints, output, and so on. Most (but not all) high-end LED flashlights on the market use Cree modules.

Also, it seems that with some lights, the momentary on-off function (slightly depress power button with out getting the "click") now serves as a programing function. So instead of getting a quick flash I will go into programming mode?

There are 3 types of common tail switches: Forward clicky, reverse clicky, and press/twist.

The forward clicky activates the light when you push it forward, giving you the option to "flash" the light momentarily (called "momentary on"), and when it clicks forward all the way, the light stays on. On a light with multiple modes, you can sometimes cycle through these modes quickly by tapping the switch.

A reverse clicky only turns the light on once it has fully clicked and you release the tailcap. These do not have a momentary on feature, and if the light has multiple modes, you can sometimes change through them with a "soft press" or tap on the switch, once it has been clicked on.

Press/twist tailcaps (like the old fashioned Surefires) work by pressing the tailcap for momentary on, and twisting it to turn the light on permanently.

Those 4Sevens seem really nice but they are a little pricey as compared to other brands. Originally I was considering something in the $30-40 price range for starters. Perhaps they are much better quality and worth it?

I have found that flashlights are very much like firearms in that you often get what you pay for. You can compare light brands like HDS, Surefire, 4Sevens, Jetbeam, and Nitecore to firearm brands like HK, Sig, and Beretta. If a flashlight costs a lot of money, it usually is for good reason. Are Surefire lights worth the price? My 3 Surefires have proven to me that, yes, they are. If you want a AA flashlight to carry around in your pocket for general use, you probably don't need to spend more than your $30-$40 budget for a very decent light. Take a look at the new Jetbeam BC and BA series. They are simple 2-mode (high and low) forward clicky budget lights. I have the BC10 (runs on 1 CR123 battery for 270 lumens), and I like it very much. On that note, read up a little on ANSI ratings, and look for them in a flashlight's specs, as ANSI is the new industry standard for measuring output, runtime, etc. Manufacturers sometimes cheat and put LED lumens (output made at the emitter), kind of like horsepower made at the engine versus at the rear wheels.

it seems that the "low" setting is a little bright for reading or indoor use??

Yes, I have recently found that anything higher than about 2 lumens is too bright for pitch-black indoor use. Some lights (many 4Sevens included) have a "moonlight" mode that gets down below 1 lumen. You'd be surprised how useful 0.2 - 0.5 lumens can be when your eyes are adjusted to the dark.

I think it's made in China though, but then again probably 90% of all lights are...

Yes, that's mostly true, but many Chinese light brands are very good quality. Keep in mind that these days, Chinese technology manufacturing is pretty much at the top of the heap. Surefire is one of the only major flashlight brands that is 100% USA (Maglite and HDS are just a couple of the others). But that comes with a price. So...

Surefires are pretty much out of the question because they are way too expensive. Are they even worth it?

Again, in my opinion, yes. But they aren't for everybody. The average casual flashlight user can get a very good, Chinese-made, amazingly bright and technologically advanced flashlight for about 1/4 the price of a Surefire.

Good luck with your research, and don't assume that this will be the last light you ever buy! Once you start, it's hard to stop.
 
For a 1xAA light with a clicky switch, in the $30-$40 range, try this:

http://www.lightjunction.com/JETBeam-BA10-R5-flashlight.html

What I really like about the Jetbeam BA/BC series (after using dozens of different UI's) is that it operates very simply: Tighten the head all the way, it's in high mode. Loosen the head a little, it's in low mode. Press or click the tailcap for momentary or permanently on. Click to turn off. On, off, high, low. No disco modes, no cycling through 4 different brightness levels.

Or, for a little more money:

http://www.lightjunction.com/fenix-ld10-r5-flashlight.html

http://www.lightjunction.com/NiteCore-D11-R5-flashlight.html

http://www.lightjunction.com/jetbeam-flashlights/jetbeam-element/jetbeam-e3s-flashlight.html
 
Like you, 'bout a year ago I started upgrading all my lights.
You might want to go here and read my take on some lights I bought/compared? Mine is the 3rd review-just look for basicblur.

FWIW, I'm a pragmatist, prefer brands with a bit of a track record in the field, and am a cheap SOB (that's why I only started upgrading when prices fell).

I don't know your particular intended use for your light, but my quick take would be skip the AA and go with the PT-2L. I wear one on my belt at all times, it sees only intermittent use (so CR123's aren't really a problem), and it's one of my favorite lights.

I bought a few Surefires for comparison/to play with, and while nice lights, their MAP policy keeps their prices artificially inflated.

EDIT: You might want to go here and download the free copy of American Cop Magazine-it's got numerous articles on flashlights.
 
After all this, I just realized that the Streamlight you've been looking at is a 2xAA light, not a single AA. If that is the form factor that you're looking for, a few more possibilities open up. The Jetbeam BA20 is the same price as the Streamlight you're looking at, and puts out 270 ANSI lumens to the Streamlight's 120. At this point in the game, I think the Jetbeam BA20 is actually rated as the most powerful 2xAA light out there.

The $50-$75 price point opens up a whole other world of possibilities, if you wanted to bump up your budget a tad, and do some more searching.
 
Another plug for the 4Sevens Preon II. Well worth the price. It's light as air, durable, has the form factor of a ballpoint pen, and has convenient lighting modes for different situations.
 
If you really want to immerse yourself in LED Technologies...

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...ED-Flashlights

These are the true flashaholics.

I know, I thought about directing him to CPF. I am a member over there as well (different username). But if I were a guy just looking for opinions on one flashlight or another, I think I'd feel completely overwhelmed over at CPF. The level of expertise, technical jargon, and pure love for all things flashlight, is staggering.

If not for CPF, my flashlight collection would be about 1/10th what it is now. It's an expensive forum to belong to...;)
 
I think I'd feel completely overwhelmed over at CPF

I hear you Oregon J. I thought better of it early on but what the heck. Everyone has to start somewhere may as well get to the crux of the matter.

I wished I never ran into the High Road Forum either. :banghead: that damn 642 Club has lead me down the road to ruin.

I would have pissed away 10K on a pontoon boat by now. ;) Instead of all these cool guns, knives and flashlights, and magazines and ammunition and ARs and Mini-14s. ;) and lasers and holsters.
 
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