Stuff Hit the Fan Handgun: Which one?

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I usually don't get involved in these sort of hypothetical/fantasy subjects for a variety of reasons ...

That said, this time I'll offer some comments.

I suspect it may be a bit unrealistic and overly hopeful to think that folks previously uninterested in firearms will somehow morph into SAFE, skilled firearms users in the midst of a chaotic emergency situation of unknown extent and duration.

Having been a LE firearms instructor for a while, I've often observed that it's not always easy to get folks who have received 40-60+ hours of specific firearms instruction in an academy, preceded or followed up by training at their agencies, to always demonstrate everything we might desire in the way of knowledge, skills and abilities when starting out in their new jobs. It takes some time, interest and experience for those things to develop and become ingrained.

Then, there's the whole issue of folks not previously experienced in working together suddenly being expected to understand how to safely and effectively work together and understanding the dynamics of tactics and strategies employed by small groups in dangerous, evolving and stressful situations.

While having access to good hardware and equipment is handy, it's the knowledge (software), mindset and experience that is really helpful ... even critical ... when it comes to thinking about getting folks to the point where they're safely able to properly and efficiently utilize the available hardware.

Someone with the training, knowledge and mindset can probably better utilize any existing or available equipment ... without unnecessarily putting themselves or others at risk ... than someone suddenly thrust into the midst of a highly dangerous situation and handed a weapon, or other equipment which can be inherently dangerous to use.

Also, as an armorer who has seen what can happen with firearms which are only exposed to the daily activities involved when they're carried and used by cops, I'd have a plan for being able to inspect, maintain and repair whatever is being used ... and yes, as a Glock armorer (among other armorer certifications) I've even used up a lot of Glock parts for repair & maintenance. Equipment is still equipment. Maintenance and repair, especially under adverse conditions, is still going to be something that might be prudent to consider.

Just my thoughts.
 
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As others have stated I would opt for a Glock model 19 however if you're a wheelgun guy I think a S&W model 10 or Ruger Gp100/SP101 would do quite nicely.
 
That gun looks like it has a tumor growing out of the bottom of it .

It'd give up 3 rounds of capacity just to get a flat base-plate .

Fine.......you can go with only 15 rds of .45 if you want the tumor removed.

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A few rebufs and lots of good advice. It was a serious question addressed more toward the Rodney King riots, post Katrina non-sense. Short duration of less than 2-weeks where pointing a gun at a mob threat and getting a loud bang and MAYBE a hit has value in these situations. Plus I think that situation is likely when compared to an "end of the world" scenario.

I am the only shooter in the family, but they have all shot some, just not a every weekend type like myself.

I'm leaning toward the .357 mag wheel gun with lots of 38 special ammo. The S&W 10's suggestion is a good one.
 
Why do you feel compelled to arm the non-gunners?

If they had sufficient (as in, "minimal") interest, they'd buy their own.

Arming uninterested non-gunners during a time of serious unrest is a recipe for disaster.
 
J&G was selling S&W 64 armored car trade-0ins for about $269 each - all in 38 DAO - easy to shoot, easy on the recoil, load with +p for serious use when the time comes, not a lot of thing to go terribly wrong
 
You should just stay with whatever CCW you're usually using.

For others, do NOT give them anything unless you KNOW they know how to use it and won't go ape shooting people or you. Handguns are tricky to use in the best of circumstances, and none are really appropriate for a novice.
 
A Sig 229? For an uninterested shooter during highly stressful times? Seriously?

I've seen "trained" cops forget to decock their Sig and holster it anyway. :eek:

At least specify a 229 with the irritating DAK trigger.
 
Stay away from fancy names. Get something good and affordable, build a survivable package and write it off. In other words stick to reliable mainstream (might be boring), test it, put everything you need in a package ready to go and forget you have it. Use lithium batteries for the lights and comm. package. the shelve life is over 10 years and they last up to 8x longer.

Glock 17
Sub2000 tuned
nice AR Mil spec.M16 Bolt and carrier.. Stag, Spikes, RRA, Delton, Bushy...etc...


Cheers.
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Why do you feel compelled to arm the non-gunners?

If they had sufficient (as in, "minimal") interest, they'd buy their own.

Arming uninterested non-gunners during a time of serious unrest is a recipe for disaster.
Why? Cause they are my family.

Right now they just shoot mine. I don't mind, ya know?
 
Generations of American kids took an oath to defend freedom from immense tyranny and many paid the ultimate sacrifice so today we can enjoy the freedoms we have. Every single American needs to understand what this means. Freedom is not free.

Firearms training should be a primary study in the school system (with exceptions). The same with proper education, citizenship and other seem to be lost values.
We need generations of kids with character, courage and willingness to fight and change the status Quo. We have been sitting on our fat asses for too long.

Ask any Jew the consequences of disarming the population like some are trying to do right now. I think I would respect if grandma didn't like to take a tactical defensive training but there is nothing wrong with the proper approach teaching anyone at any age the very basics of a firearm function and proper handling. One day can save their or someone else's life, even without a single shot fired.

At the same time we have to respect people's opinions and will to renounce violence. Absolutely nobody wants violence, and after being in presence of a lot of it, some might need comfort in those that can provide other vision and might even give some spiritual consolation so we do not go crazy. Society needs many roles.

I do not question the wishes of anyone that tries to protect their loved ones. I also caution not to get too paranoid about it.
 
Family or not, they need to buy their own gun.

If they don't have the money and you do, then make the offer to buy them one if they show sufficient interest.

But if they do have money, ask them why they haven't bought their own gun yet. That should tell you about their near total lack of interest.

But I think this reveals more about you (the OP) than anyone. Being the "family gun guy" creates a niche in the family that no one else can fill. You know things they don't and, in certain circumstances, they will look to you for guidance and leadership.

Years ago, my brother would go hunting with his friends once a year, borrowing their shotgun. He never bought his own gun while I bought many. When Dad died, he suddenly liked guns. He took possession of some of them in 1993. He has yet to fire a single round thru any of them.

It seems that you're determined to carry out your self appointed task, regardless of any input questioning the wisdom of it. I just hope no one gets hurt.
 
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I'm giving the OP the best reading of his words, not the worst; he's talking about relations who can shoot but don't, and I still say get a bunch of heavy duty .357's and load with .38 Spl.

I say that because the OP specified handguns. A break action shotgun, ejector type, is the optimum weapon for the dilettante.
 
If I went with an auto I'd probably go with a Glock. Personally I'd take a G19 since it's fairly easy to conceal. If manipulating the weapon to clear a jam would likely be an issue I'd lean more toward a .357 or .38.
 
I'm giving the OP the best reading of his words, not the worst; he's talking about relations who can shoot but don't, and I still say get a bunch of heavy duty .357's and load with .38 Spl.

I say that because the OP specified handguns. A break action shotgun, ejector type, is the optimum weapon for the dilettante.
I'm thinking a fire fight will NOT be necessary and non-frequent shooters are not going t fare well in such an event. Just some fire power to make thugs go else where. It worked for the Korean community in LA during the Rodney King riots!

You mention shotguns: Simple to operate, simple to fire, effective at short and medium range and long with right ammo. Couple a SxS or pump 20" barrel with a .357/38 special might be just the ticket. I'm liking it!
 
Family or not, they need to buy their own gun.

If they don't have the money and you do, then make the offer to buy them one if they show sufficient interest.

But if they do have money, ask them why they haven't bought their own gun yet. That should tell you about their near total lack of interest.

But I think this reveals more about you (the OP) than anyone. Being the "family gun guy" creates a niche in the family that no one else can fill. You know things they don't and, in certain circumstances, they will look to you for guidance and leadership.

Years ago, my brother would go hunting with his friends once a year, borrowing their shotgun. He never bought his own gun while I bought many. When Dad died, he suddenly liked guns. He took possession of some of them in 1993. He has yet to fire a single round thru any of them.

It seems that you're determined to carry out your self appointed task, regardless of any input questioning the wisdom of it. I just hope no one gets hurt.
Dave E, I understand the concern and have no intention of turning a completely untrained noob or 12-year old loose with a Glock Four-T. Really, I don't want to get shot in back. But my 12-year can and does shoot a little, but she's a "girly girl" and just does not care for it much. If a thug is coming through the back window while I'm at the front of the house, she has to have something!

For her, maybe Kendal Black has it pegged: SxS 20 guage and a 38 special. No school like the Old School.
 
I'm digging a reliable handgun that will carry 16 rounds of 10mm ammo + 9 rounds of .45ACP for backup.
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With a handgun you must be completely confident using it, be able to carry enough of the ammo in case you never find another round, must be able to field strip/clean under low/no light conditions, and it must be reliable and operational and you must be prepared if a part breaks or need replacing (If the guns extractor is near end of life, bring an extra or two.
 
I agree with Andrew Wyatt.

You'd be hard pressed to do better than the Glock 19. It meets all of your requirements:

  • Caliber must be common and recognized as a "self defense" round.
    Chambered in 9mm, one of the most ubiquitous self defense cartridges available.
  • Caliber must be adequate for novice shooters. Not "too" big.
    9mm has minimal recoil for a defensive cartridge, and requires probably the least amount of time to become familiarized with.
  • Utterly reliable through 2000 rounds.
    I've seen Glocks that have gone for thousands of rounds between cleanings with nary a hitch.
  • Parts kit available (larger issue for autos than revolvers).
    Parts are easily available for them both from the manufacturer, as well as numerous 3rd party companies.
  • Mags (if an auto loader) plentiful and available now and not >$40 each.
    Fifteen round Glock 19 magazines are going for about $35 on Brownell's. $35-$50 per magazine is pretty much par for the course for magazines for modern self-loading pistols.
 
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