Mark-Smith
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The other thing that would be nice is an accessory rail and a gun that comes in .45. 9mm is good for my subcompact, but on a larger frame, .45 would be nice.
Suggest a full-frame gun for me that's not a Glock or 1911 variant?
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Now you've got me looking at the stainless P220R Elite and Carry Elite!I think I'm going to have to get both. It never ends!!
Be sure to shoot one before your buy, I never warmed up t the Elite series. While i generally like a beavertail, the one on the Elites are a bit wide and deep for my taste, I'm not a big fan of front serrations and the SRT isn't for everyone...unless you're willing to spend the time to really take advantage of it
Somehow I have a feeling that really didn't help your resistance
Mark-Smith
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The rail is a nice touch!
denfoote
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If you want a steel gun, get a Highpower, polymer, Walther P99AS.
9mmepiphany said:
Given the shape of the grip, would you say it's like a 1911 with an arched mainspring housing in terms of the "depth" that you're referring to? I've handled an Elite stainless but that was almost a year ago and I really don't remember how it felt in the hand. I know it was a stunning looking pistol but my focus was on my new P220 Carry and Kimber TEII that I was shooting for the first time that day so I was kind of preoccupied.
9mmepiphany said:
Yeah ... not really, but you're helping me make an educated decision. I'm aware of (and appreciate) your experience so I tend to pay attention to your posts. I'm not sure if any of this is helping the OP but it sure is helping me.
I apologize for any thread drift...but it might help someone thinking about the 220 purchase.
The Sig 220 with Hogue aluminum or G10 grip panels feels/points very much like a 1911 with an arched MSH. The 220ST in my earlier picture is wearing the aluminum grips
The depth and wideness that I am talking about has to do only with the beavertail. While the Ed Brown grip safety allows a very high grip on the gun, the Sig beavertail is so deep (top to bottom) that it keeps your hand from getting very high. The width is much wider, just a tad uncomfortable because of how it extends back into your thumb joint. There is plenty of material in the beavertail to trim/slim it...I've seem some really nice ones
The Sig 220 with Hogue aluminum or G10 grip panels feels/points very much like a 1911 with an arched MSH. The 220ST in my earlier picture is wearing the aluminum grips
The depth and wideness that I am talking about has to do only with the beavertail. While the Ed Brown grip safety allows a very high grip on the gun, the Sig beavertail is so deep (top to bottom) that it keeps your hand from getting very high. The width is much wider, just a tad uncomfortable because of how it extends back into your thumb joint. There is plenty of material in the beavertail to trim/slim it...I've seem some really nice ones
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CZ 75b or variant. Since it would be several 100 bucks below your budget get some extra accessories or ammo.
TexasBill
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It's just barely in your range, even at Bud's Gun Shop, but the SIG P226 is worth a look. This is the pistol that almost beat the Beretta 92 for the Army's new sidearm (Beretta won on support price).
I am partial to the FN pistols and the Beretta PX4 Storm, but I prefer an external hammer. I have 9 mm pistols but both are also available in .40 S&W.
I am partial to the FN pistols and the Beretta PX4 Storm, but I prefer an external hammer. I have 9 mm pistols but both are also available in .40 S&W.
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Shipwreck said:
Got enough Beretta 92 variants lol?
ABTOMAT said:
Give it time! It took me 25 years to warm up to the idea of a 1911. I shot my first 1911 (a Colt) in 1985, bought my first P220 in 1992 and four more since then. I finally bought a 1911 in 2009 and another in 2010. I thought I was done with P220s but now those stainless models are calling to me. I should add that I'm far from being done with 1911s. I plan on adding many more to my collection.
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Sig Sauer....even if glock and 1911 were in the mix I'd go Sig (P220 is a great choice)
Mark-Smith
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The 1911 is the sacred cow of a significant majority of American gun owners. Saying the 1911 is a gun you have no interest in is on the same level as insulting someone's mother
To some, perhaps every missing puzzle piece in any handgun-related puzzle looks like a 1911-shaped hole. Or a Glock shaped one *shudder*
(or .380, or 9mm, or 10mm, or .40, and .45-shaped holes, the joke could run for a long time )However, when the title of a thread indicates it isn't a puzzle where a Glock or 1911 shaped piece will solve it, perhaps other guns should be considered?
Especially if the OP in question has fired both Glocks and 1911's on a regular basis over the years and really wants something that isn't one of those two guns or their many variants
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I absolutely get where you're coming from. In 25 years of owning firearms, I've never bought a Glock because they simply don't appeal to me. They're great pistols for sure, I've shot a bunch over the years and shot them well, but I just can't get excited about them. On the other hand, I find myself drooling at the mere sight of a SIG ... well, most SIGs that is.
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If you don't want a Glock or 1911, I would lean towards the Beretta 92fs. I would shy away from the Sigs. In my opinion (for what it's worth) they are over-rated.
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I've noticed Sigs are fairly pricey - what is supposed to command the higher sticker price?
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Sig, CZ, or S&W 3rd Gen.
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Mr Kablammo said:
Leaning towards a CZ or a 92FS of some sort at this point. I've heard a lot of bad press about S&W autoloaders - is that just for older models or is it something else?
jpwilly
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SIG P220 or CZ97
Mark-Smith said:
They're as reliable as any Glock with just about any kind of ammunition including lead bullets. They're as accurate as you could ever need or want for any kind of practical/defensive shooting and you have the option of four different types of trigger i.e. DA/SA, DA/SA SRT, DAK, SAO. The price is due in part to the fact that they have aluminum or steel frames rather than composite/polymer frames. SIGs have a higher value in terms of both raw materials and manufacturing costs. Are there other excellent (and cheaper) pistols available ... of course. If you prefer all metal/alloy pistols then SIGs are a really, really good choice.
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