suggestions for a Mauser action

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OK Guys...and Ladies too,
I want to build a 308 built on a Mauser action.
What I need are suggestions on the best actions,(such as German over Swedish) and the best places to purchase such actions. Where are you getting the good deals?
If I have to purchase a whole rifle that's fine. The barrel and stock are of no real importantance to me, just the action it's self.
I don't want to spend a fortune on the project, but I don't want junk either.
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Look for a pre 1940 98K action and go from there.
Pre 40s have the best steel and heat treat.
You will probably want a genuine Mauser but any of the contract receivers will do fine.
Turned down bolt handle.
Safety vents in all the right places.
Magazine box will feed .308s without any real modification.
Have a gunsmith do the barreling, the rest you can do yourself.
 
I love the swedish mauser, but.....

I wouldn't consider it strong enough for anything in the .308 class. 98 actions are considered to be strong enough for almost all cartridges.
 
Not sure how deep you're getting into building it up.

Yugo 48's are still pretty cheap if they will work for you. Or why not find an FR8, already chambered in .308 should save a bit of the hassles.
I recently bought one for $140 w/bayonet. Kicks more than it should due to a poor stock design but relatively new good gun.

I also think CZ is now importing just the actions if you want a brand new one they may be a great place to start depending on price I think I would look there first.

Good luck with it!
 
I seen Israeli M98's already in .308, for $199. That woul save you time and money. Also, there are Spanish Civil guard mausers in .308 for about $130
 
M48's are good actions but you need to remember that they are about 1/4" shorter actions than the other 'regular' 98's.

Don't overlook the Czech VZ 24's. They are eveywhere, cheap and GOOD 98 actioins. I have 2 .35 whelens built on them.

Also, IF you can find one, the 1909 Argentines are FANTASTIC in fit and finish AND have a hinged floorplate.

One more. The Steyr M12/51's were already converted to 7.62 Nato (.308) by the govt. of Chile.

The other suggestions are good too. Look around and compare. Good luck. FUN project!
 
Well, I looked at the CZ actions, and honestly if I was gonna pay that for the action, I'd buy one of their rifles.
So with that in mind, where should I look for a good deal on the 98 actions. I know AIM carries them. Who else?
And what should I beware of when buying one?


And did I remember to say "Thanks"?
 
I have a Steyr 1912/61 that the Chilean's converted to 7.62 NATO. They are pretty reasonably priced when you find one. M48's are widely available from folks like AIM. I think mine came from CDNN.

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I don't know why people think they can build up a "nice" or better sporting rifle out of a military mauser action "cheap". Unless you buy a Mauser and "sporterize" it (nothing wrong with that by the way), forget it.

You'll end up with more money in a "decent" Mauser based rifle than what you can buy many commercial sporters for new... and not have as good a gun too boot..

A "decent" action is gonna run 100 bucks or more, an Argentine can be 3 times that.

A decent barrel is gonna cost a couple hundred bucks, plus the money to finish cutting the chamber and install the barrel 50-75 bucks.

It's has to be tapped and threaded for mounts most smiths charge 5-10 bucks a hole, the safety is going to need replaced 35-40 bucks

Then you need a stock, 80 to 350 bucks...

and the whole thing will need to be blued, parked or whatever... 100 bucks and up.

So on the cheap, unless you're just gonna hack up a GI gun (sporterize) you're gonna have 600 bucks minimum tied up in a rifle that's worth 250 - 300 bucks should you ever need to sell it.

I'm a gunsmith/machinist, and I've built dozens upon dozens of mauser based custom rifles for folks and the machining bill alone on one done right is more than most commercial offerings from Rem, Win, Browning etc. cost new.

Most complete rifles with nice wood/composite stock, quality barrels/trigger and finishing land right around the $2,000 mark, some much more.

I'm not trying to discourage you, just enlighten you a bit and perhaps save you some money.

Now if you're just looking to play? by all means, nothing wrong with that either, just don't fool yourself into thinking you can build a nice rifle "cheap"

People are already doing it, they're called manufacturers. Once you experience the work involved, you appreciate how cheap factory rifles truly are.
 
Charles Daly is importing the excellent Yugoslavian made Mauser actions, formery known as the Mk-X mauser.

It can be had in .243 up to .458. (The .22Hornet,.223, and 7.62x39mm are on the Mini-MkX action).

You can buy a complete rifle with Stock, and ready to shoot, with an adjustable trigger for less than you can build up a Military Mauser. Plus, they have iron sights and are drilled and tapped for scope mounts or reciever sights.

Skip on "cutting up" an antique, and go with the new rifle. Less hassle, money, and time.
 
RE: cheap sporterized Mausers

You CAN build a sporterized Mauser for alot less than you can buy a new gun, you just have to do a couple things. I have one I built for $180, including a 6-24x scope and heavy target stock. I scrounged parts (think ebay, etc.) and bought scope on closeout. Found the stock at garage sale for 5 bucks. Bent bolt and mounted scope, reworked trigger myself(although still should have better trigger, searching eBay now!). Right now flirting with 1 MOA (handloads,with original military barrel) gonna pillar bed front of barrel, see if I can get it better.

Starting work on another (VZ-24) that I expect will cost less than $300, and some of that extra cost will be renting a reamer, as I'm going to do it in 8mm-06 AI. Hopefully it'll shoot as good as the first one.

IMHO, however, since you have the (action) length to work with, I would go for "longer" calibers than .308, a little more flexibilty with loads. There's a zillion calibers that will work with these actions.

P.S. As noted, M48 actions are "intermediate length"---issue with them is finding a stock, as regular "98" type stocks won't fit.
 
As an addendum there is nothing wrong with the cartridges the Mauser action was designed to use.
The 8X57-7X57-6.5X55 are all excellent choices to stick with when using this action.
What the other posters said about the rifle costing $2000.00 and up when completed is quite true.
I'm thinking you want a caliber .308 rifle to take advantage of all the surplus ammunition available and if this is true then there are far better, less expensive options to explore than building or converting a Mauser action.
I have rebarrelled three K-98 Mausers using Wilson Military step barrels and the original sight assemblies from the worn out 8mm service barrels.
No other modifications were done to the action other than chasing the Whitworth threads with an American thread tap to make barrel installation easier.
The rifles feed and fire just fine and the sights are near perfectly regulated for the .308 Winchester cartridge since it is a near ballistic twin of the 8mm Mauser out to 500 meters.
This would be the Mauser option I would suggest if you are looking to do this as inexpensively as possible.
You can buy a surplus rifle for around $200.00.
I charged $350.00 for barrelling,(remove old, retap, install, headspace and chamber ream}, refitting the sights and re-blueing the barrel assembly using Belgian Blue. This price included the new barrel.
Any local gunsmith familiar with the rifles can do the same job for my price or a little more.
Yugo rifles do use a smaller action but rebarrel with K98 type barrels and actually are a better choice for a caliber .308 rifle providing you do not intend to sporterize the rifle and intend to leave everything else 'as issued'.HTH
 
Ah the old to build a Mauser or not build a Mauser quandry, I go through this a couple of times a year.

I think there are two categories that this falls into, either a low end rifle, or real high end stuff and it makes a big difference in your decision.

On the lower end stuff, remember you can buy a complete out the door CZ or Remington 700 for $450. That isn't very much to work with when building a custom ( or customised ) rifle. It costs less to buy the commercial gun, and the resell value is better in the long run.

The high end stuff is another matter all together. Look at prices on a Griffin and Howe, a Holland and Holland, or an original commercial Mauser or Rigby. Or compare to a branded smith like Jerry Fisher or D' Arcy Echols. These guns are out of most of our budgets. As a based starting point look at a Dakota 76 rifle, I think these are right around $5000. If you are building a Mauser action up to be this type of riifle while I don't think it is a lot cheaper in the long run it will save some money, but only $1000-1500. When you get playing with rifles that cost this much little details make big differences, on what you end up with. Typical upgrades are new bottom metal, a lot of work on the action to get it into a square bridge configuration, trigger, bolt handle, cross bolts, bolt shroud and safety change, plus barrel bands and quarter ribs. And starting with the right Mauser action to begin with is ultra important, no Yugo action is going to cut it. A original 1909, a VZ-24, G33/40 are good actions, or better yet a original banner commercial Mauser action ( big bucks). Then the stock comes into play, and this is a serious chunk of change. I am going through the exercise right now it looks like:

1. Action........$150-250
2. Action work.....$400 min including bolt handle
3. Bottom metal.....$250
4. Trigger ......$80
5. Barrel.......$300
6. Install barrel chambered etc.......$250
7. Bolt shroud safety........$150
8. Stock........$1000 min to $3000
9. Grip caps.......$30 min plus engraving
10. Barrel band swing swivels......$80
11. Front sights.......$100
12. Engraving... whatever floats your boat but it starts at $100
13. Rear sights.....$40-250 depending on your choices
14. Blueing and surface prep..
15. Heat traeting.....$35-75

Now you can whittle on the above list and trim some dollars, and I have made some good educated guesses on the above, as I have done my homework and don't have time to price it all out right now, but my numbers are close only a few dollars off a worst, and some of these a even a little low. But when the above gets done right you will have a very fine rifle, and probably worth at least $2000 when your done, more if you are real picky on your smith and the action you started with. Oh I forgot to add the around two years it will take to get the above done. I have been looking at gunstocks seriously lately $1000 is entry into this and a year seems to be the typical waiting list. Oh I didn't add the price of the stock blank into this, low end is $150 and the high end goes way over a grand, but $300-$500 gets a decent blank to build the stock from. I would schedule 2 years to get the above done right, anything else will have you diisappointed in what you get back or PO'd cause your expecting less time and two years is what it will take.

And no you don't need to get everything on my list done, but remember when you start short cutting the list you get closer to the first scenario, when your done and it becomes of matter of is it worth the effort and dollars. I also think there are better options than starting with an old Mauser action, look at a new Win 70 or a Remington 700 as your starting gun, they will save you some dollars in the long run on machining and custom parts.

Or you can just go out and buy a new Sako 75 or a upgraded Model 70, or something similar and its a quality rifle from the start that doesn't take forever, and $1000 out the door makes it a done deal.

No the day of cheap mauser conversions is gone forever. If you want something special, and are willing to spend both the time and money it is still a option, but cheap and mauser conversions don't really exist amymore.
 
Charles Daly

I have heard more negative than positive reviews on these to date. The only real positive reviews coming from the Gun rags, go figure, if they get advertising dollars they write it up to not PO the manufacturers.

The negatives I have heard are the finish is rough, and the customer service is in the toilet. I haven't heard of anything actually broken though, and the review crowd I have heard from are a tough crowd and picky, and will be comparing these to the best of the military mausers when comparing.

Me personally I haven't seen one yet, but I wouldn't buy one without inspection. I will keep an open mind on them until I do so. The prices listed are too high though, check out this:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=27610438

Around $320 new in the box. Not in a caliber either one of you wanted though.
 
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