Summer wear

It can be hard to find square bottom shirts.
Patagonia, Jack Wolfskin, Orvis, just to name a few... Many "casual" brands offer square bottom shirts - it's not the most popular style, but definitely not something unheard of. And with IWB carry, it's not such a big deal outside of personal preference...
 
I get a lot of my clothing and button down shirts from Bass Pro. I like their RedHead brand.
Me too. I guess you could call RedHead my "go to" brand of shirts, and Galco my "go to" brand of pancake style concealed carry holsters - with Blackhawk brand running a close second. :thumbup:
 
The right shirt?

Personally, I don't remember ever carrying with shorts. With that, the right belt would be a particular challenge. Subcompacts are not something in my rotation, or that I would recommend.
 
Personally, I don't remember ever carrying with shorts. With that, the right belt would be a particular challenge.
I guess that kind of depends on the shorts. Day in and day out this time of year, I wear Wrangler "carpenter" shorts from Walmart. They're exactly like the Wrangler "carpenter" pants from Walmart that I wear when the weather turns cool or cold - only shorter. And because my "shorts" are so much like my "longs," I use the same belt with both. :thumbup:
 
Do you have the matching Corvette and white New Balance shoes to go with your Jorts (Jean Shorts)?
Why yes, I do.

And throw no shade at New Balance shoes -- mine are all made in the USA.

Threads on this topic always demonstrate how so many people just way overthink concealment in warm weather. Honestly, it's not any more difficult with a good belt/holster combination and careful selection of your cover garment. I favor the "camp shirt" or a loose short-sleeved tee or henley.

I did see a guy in the produce section of my local Fred Meyer yesterday wearing a very tight tank top (white with think green stripes) that superbly accentuated his spectacular muffin-top while clearly outlining the unmistakable grip of a Glock pistol in an IWB at 4 o'clock. This was not a good example of careful selection of cover garment, by the way.
 
I will change my carry choice at times instead of attire. I like to wear 511 cargo pants in spring and fall or in nicer climate during the winter. I have pocket carried my LCPII, 442, Kimber R7, and even my XDM compact 45acp. Part of the key IMO is to carry other junk in the other pocket.
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I am going order some 511 shorts. That are designed the same way.
Currently when wearing shorts (mainly cargos) I will have my LCPII or 442.

Thanks guys for the Duluth Jean recommendation. I will need to check them out. I hope they have 36" inseam. I hate it when pants are too short....

Please note: I'm the first guy to say. Don't advertise that you have a gun. No hats, shirts, stickers and so on. I just like how comfortable the 511 pants are.
 
I just can't bring myself to carry a gun any other way than pocket. Shorts or jeans. And, the by far best holster """for me""" is the cheap $7 holster on Amazon. It just works. """For Me"""
 
So taking two hands to draw, pulling up garment and grabbing weapon, is better than just drawing with one hand out of the pockets? I’m going out on a limb and presume you don’t know what you are talking about and just like to regurgitate internet bs.

Twitter is currently only available to people who sign in, but this video illustrates how quickly people can draw from AIWB:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/humorous-but-something-may-be-learned.919004/

I carry AIWB and also have a 2nd handgun in pocket. (No, I don't live in a "bad area" - think options; gives me the option to put hand on gun without revealing I'm carrying).
I don't usually walk around with my hand in my pocket.
If I had to draw starting with my hand not in my pocket (as it typically is not) I'd absolutely be quicker drawing AIWB versus pocket, no contest.
 
So taking two hands to draw, pulling up garment and grabbing weapon, is better than just drawing with one hand out of the pockets? I’m going out on a limb and presume you don’t know what you are talking about and just like to regurgitate internet bs.
You should be able to draw your gun one handed, no matter how you carry it, and practice that regularly. Its a little slower than two handed, and not by much, but still, usually easily done if youve practiced it.

As far as pocket carry, you have to be realistic with yourself about what it is and what it isnt. Its really not all that great, and for a number of reasons.

One, it severely limits the gun you carry. You give up a much better selection of more realistic guns for supposedly better concealment.

Two, it also severely limits how you can draw the gun and the speed you do that. Yes, in one instance, when you "might" have your hand on the gun, it "might" be somewhat speedy, but what about all the other ways you might be called on to get the gun out and going?

Can you quickly and easily draw starting with your hands out of your pockets? How about while struggling with someone and trying to get them off of you? How about seated at a table or strapped (or not) in your car? Can you do it without a lot of movement and drawing attention to yourself? Just putting a hand in a pocket is a signal in and of itself.

Three, at the distances where you would most likely have to try and quickly draw the gun, especially if your hand is already on it, it puts you in a really bad spot, as your opponent is likely very close, and easily able to trap your gun hand and gun, in your pocket, and making it very easy to control you and your gun. You dont want anyone close to you with your hand in a pocket. ;)

It also pays to understand what and how action and reaction times are and work, and what OODA is all about. But then again, that applies to everything, not just pocket guns.
 
One, it severely limits the gun you carry. You give up a much better selection of more realistic guns for supposedly better concealment.

Two, it also severely limits how you can draw the gun and the speed you do that. Yes, in one instance, when you "might" have your hand on the gun, it "might" be somewhat speedy, but what about all the other ways you might be called on to get the gun out and going?

Severely limited? You can get 13 rounds of 9mm in a pocket gun nowadays.

I don't see it as severely limited on time, either. I'm slow as molasses and have 11 thumbs and I can still get a gun out of a pocket in under 2 seconds on a timer.

Is somebody a half second or a second faster than me off a belt holster? Sure. But if you have to do a quickdraw there's been a failure of situational awarenss. If you need to be able to draw in a second or less, you were a mere second away from a crackhead just sneaking up behind you and whacking you over the head with a piece of pipe.
 
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So far. We're gonna go out on limb here and presume you've never needed to draw a handgun for a defensive gun use.
You are Absolutely 110% right. I have "never needed to draw a handgun for a defensive gun use " in my entire life. Just like 99.99% others. I've never even felt the real need to carry a gun. And, I've been in some pretty nasty places in my 76 year lifetime. $100 or $7. If it works for "Me", It works for "Me".
I could go into this long story about why I carry a gun. But I won't.
But I will say. Some that legally do carry scare me more than the bad guys.
 
Severely limited? You can get 13 rounds of 9mm in a pocket gun nowadays.

I don't see it as severely limited on time, either. I'm slow as molasses and have 11 thumbs and I can still get a gun out of a pocket in under 2 seconds on a timer.

Is somebody a half second or a second faster than me off a belt holster? Sure. But if you have to do a quickdraw there's been a failure of situational awarenss. If you need to be able to draw in a second or less, you were a mere second away from a crackhead just sneaking up behind you and whacking you over the head with a piece of pipe.
And you can get that gun out of that pocket that quick starting with your hands out of the pocket, or any other way you might have too? Be honest now.

Something a lot of people seem to not understand is, you dont have (for the most part) the luxury of starting the ball rolling (bad guys prerogative/advantage), and have to react to what happens. Or are you going to act like anyone passing you on the street or around you is a threat and act like youre in Defcon threat mode, for anyone who approaches you? Im thinking most will still allow people to get way to close, and then may well have to deal with things they werent planning on having to deal with before they even get a chance to get to their gun. I know this is a "gun" board, and "the gun" is the default answer for what seems to be all scenarios everyone seems to come up with, but you do have other "non gun" skills too, right?

If you have to tussle with someone before you get a chance to get to your gun, can you still quickly do so in the split second you might get if you push them off you?

And if you havent tried something like that yet, Id suggest you get a buddy and give it a try. Im betting its going to be an eye opening experience. ;)

It just get the impression sometimes, a lot of people have just one scenario they play over and over in their mind here and dont think about the big picture when it comes to all this.


Yawn……another regurgitation of Tactical Timmy Reads the Internet…..
LOL. Not quite. I actually work pretty hard and regularly at being proficient with what I carry and from how I carry it. Im always willing to listen and learn and try new things too.

I tried pocket carry for a back up gun early on and pretty quick figured out it was very limited in its usefulness. And that was for a back up gun, its a definite no-go for a primary.

Let me ask you this, how often do you practice drawing and shooting your pocket gun from how you carry it with live ammo? Do run any drills or side matches with it, practice drawing from various positions and in different ways, so you know where you "really" stand as far as any kind of proficiency.

The "Tactical Timmy Reads the Internet" snark is cute, and telling at the same time. ;)


Look, this whole thing is a package deal, the clothes you wear, the guns and gear you use, and the continual hard work you put it, to be able to be competent and proficient with them. All of it takes a lot of time, effort, and money to actually figure out what works and what doesnt, and to maintain a level of proficiency, and in all the above aspects of things.

Or, you can just pick a gun you can fit in a pocket, consider yourself "armed", and call it good. Whatever youre comfortable with and works for you, eh?
 
Hey, whatever dude. I see you got it all figured out, as long as you can back it up when you really need it. I got nothing in it.

We're all legends in our own minds, its just reality, and the occasional "OK, show me", just tends to screw that up.:p
 
I've only ever actually seen one or two Sneaky Petes in the wild.

If nothing else I would be waiting for some tech geek to ask me what kind of phone that is I'm carrying

I see them all the time at the local convenience store, usually being worn by old guys clutching fists full of lotto tickets. Considering that everything comes to a stop while they get their tickets scanned, I guess they figure they might need that LCP in case an angry mob forms.

Also, we IT professionals know the correlation between Sneaky Pete holsters and guys who throw the term "geek" around, so I doubt anyone would say anything to you.
 
And you can get that gun out of that pocket that quick starting with your hands out of the pocket, or any other way you might have too? Be honest now.

Something a lot of people seem to not understand is, you dont have (for the most part) the luxury of starting the ball rolling (bad guys prerogative/advantage), and have to react to what happens. Or are you going to act like anyone passing you on the street or around you is a threat and act like youre in Defcon threat mode, for anyone who approaches you? Im thinking most will still allow people to get way to close, and then may well have to deal with things they werent planning on having to deal with before they even get a chance to get to their gun. I know this is a "gun" board, and "the gun" is the default answer for what seems to be all scenarios everyone seems to come up with, but you do have other "non gun" skills too, right?

If you have to tussle with someone before you get a chance to get to your gun, can you still quickly do so in the split second you might get if you push them off you?

And if you havent tried something like that yet, Id suggest you get a buddy and give it a try. Im betting its going to be an eye opening experience. ;)

It just get the impression sometimes, a lot of people have just one scenario they play over and over in their mind here and dont think about the big picture when it comes to all this.

Yeah, from outside a pocket. It's not as slow as it looks. I just tried it and it was 1.68.

Yeah, it's hard to get to in the middle of a fight. If my right arm is pinned, or I'm lying on top of my gun, I can't get to it at all. But that could be said for other carry methods as well.

The beauty of it, and why I still pocket carry, even when I'm carrying another gun, is that I CAN walk down the boardwalk all night long in "Defcon threat mode" while not looking like I'm in "Defcon threat mode". Because those two guys approaching me might be whispering sweet nothings into each other's ears, or they might be discussing which one is going to beat me and which one is going to cut the backpack off my back. It would look suspicious if I put my hand under my shirt and put my hand on my gun. It looks less suspicious if I put my hand in my pocket.

People are very quick to point out flaws, and I never said it was perfect. But some people are so far against it, I have to question how they got to that position. I get the impression that they squeezed into their Jordache jeans one morning and stuffed a baby Browning in the watch pocket one time and they couldnt get to it, so for the last 40 years anybody that pocket carries is an incompetent moron.

Not saying you're one of those guys. You've pointed out some realistic limitations. I just think the concerns are a little overblown.
 
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I don't get it. What's the problem if someone wants to pocket carry? That doesn't mean you have to. Carry the way "You" want to and let others do the same.
Just to be honest. You sound like a bunch of liberals that's peed off at the world because they are not just like you or hold you up like some kind of gun God.
Just saying. Me.
 
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