Smaller gun for winter?
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mljdeckard
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I carry a full-size 1911 year-round. I use a Milt Sparks IWB, a fanny pack, aand a Galco Miami Classic.
Never once in 13 years of carrying have I said to myself; "I think this gun is too bulky to carry." or "I wish I didn't have to wear this long shirt to cover what's in my waistband in summer." And where I carry, it's 100+ in the summer.
I carry the gun I shoot best and most effectively, regardless of the season or climate.
Never once in 13 years of carrying have I said to myself; "I think this gun is too bulky to carry." or "I wish I didn't have to wear this long shirt to cover what's in my waistband in summer." And where I carry, it's 100+ in the summer.
I carry the gun I shoot best and most effectively, regardless of the season or climate.
MedWheeler
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I love winter! It means I can carry bigger guns!
(Though, not very often herein southern Florida..)
(Though, not very often herein southern Florida..)
The_Shootist
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Go for a Kramer IWB. I have them for my G19/686+/1911/SP101 and that brand of holster, being very slim, conceals them all well.
sm
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Sure.
How raised, what you do.
Winter means one dresses in layers, with sweaters, and coats. Winter also means gloves.
Just reaching for keys, means having to remove gloves often times, unzip/unbutton a coat, sometimes lifting up a sweater in order to access keys in a pocket.
Winter clothing does allow one to carry a bigger gun, and to more easily conceal it.
Then again what good is something you cannot access quickly if you need it?
This is where a smaller gun can really be a useful tool in the tool box during winter.
Just like The Christy Knife, any pocket knife with a corkscrew, automatic center punch, Parker Jotter ball point pen, and other items Mentors shared when I was coming up.
Keep in mind I was born in the mid 1950s.
I first saw Mentors share with Ladies about fingerless gloves, and pocket carry for tools such as guns, knives, and impact weapons. My maternal grandma did this, and she passed before I turned six years old.
So I was born seeing her and other ladies do this.
Guys did this too of course.
Then again keep in mind a lot of folks in cities took the bus, or streetcar; especially single ladies.
Young lady from a rural or semi rural area would move to a bigger city to attend college, and often times lived in a boarding house and walked to work downtown, or rode the bus/streetcar to work, and then take the bus/streetcar to attend night classes.
With a gun in the coat pocket, wearing fingerless gloves, if nothing more than on strong side hand, a lady had hand on gun, knife, or impact tool.
Add an umbrella for the cold, rainy days- and nights.
Married gals, well back then, most families only had one car. The husband took the car to work, except on Friday, (payday) when the wife would take him to work, and used the car to get groceries, and other shopping done.
There was Blue Laws in effect, meaning no stores open on Sunday. There were no Wal-Marts or any stores open late, for sure not 24 hours.
A lady has always been more of a target walking , waiting for a bus/street car, sitting at a stop light, getting to and from a grocery store/shopping place and vehicle, and standing there locking and unlocking a door to where she lived.
Friday was payday, everybody knew it, especially criminals.
Criminals watched folks go to the bank. Not just employees, also business owners.
Many times employers paid employees in cash.
Why?
Simple, it saved employees the trouble of having to spend their 30min, or 1hour lunch time going to the bank.
Sometimes a guy would ride into work with a neighbor. These two neighbor wives shared that one car.
Pay envelopes were passed out that morning, the wives ran by husband's work and they handed the wife the envelope with cash or check, to run by the bank and take care of groceries and other shopping.
It is said everything we need has already been invented, just it is re-discovered from time to time.
Sure, the only constant is change...
These tools may change, still without Mindset and Skillsets, a Tool is useless.
Tools:
Snub nosed revolver, it may have only been a "hardware store" Iver Johnson, or H&R or a Smith & Wesson or Colt.
.22 lr was used often, as it allowed for less expensive , quality practice.
.32 cal was real popular and of course .38spl.
See, everyone knew that the .22 lr snub nose , allowed for instilling the correct basic fundamentals of shooting, for using the more powerful .32 or .38.
Cops did this, so did the private sector.
These guns will fire from the coat pocket, you knew this of course.
Folks were raised right, they started young learning to do these things. Such as being able to open The Christy Knife, or carton cutter, or pocket knife with corkscrew, while in the pocket.
Even a old fashioned small pen knife less than 3" can be, if one knows how.
"Snick" - did you just see me open the corkscrew on a SAK Spartan weak handed?
Of course not, my weak hand was in the pocket of the zip up sweat shirt / jacket I am wearing with a hood.
Now I got a tool if need in hand, right now.
What is in my other pocket?
1929 Colt Detective Special , loaded with standard pressure 158 gr LSWC.
I can as I just did, access these sitting down, with my zipper , zipper up halfway.
Pocket Knife with corkscrew, no, I do not drink.
Still a lot of folks carried a pocket knife with a corkscrew that did not drink when I was kid as well.
Some of these knives would be called "waiter knives" today, SAK makes a few.
Set aside many bottles came with cork stopper, or aspirin bottles had cotton in them.
Many a mom has gotten that knot out of tennis shoe of a child. She had gotten that knot out of a piece of rope, even a dawg leash.
Yes, hammers were bobbed even back then, one could also buy a hammer shroud for S&W and Colts.
As I said, some things are not really new, they are just re-discovered from time to time.
The AA Mini-Mag Light was pretty neat and special when these came out, still a small chrome flashlight with a glass lens , made an impact too....
How raised, what you do.
Winter means one dresses in layers, with sweaters, and coats. Winter also means gloves.
Just reaching for keys, means having to remove gloves often times, unzip/unbutton a coat, sometimes lifting up a sweater in order to access keys in a pocket.
Winter clothing does allow one to carry a bigger gun, and to more easily conceal it.
Then again what good is something you cannot access quickly if you need it?
This is where a smaller gun can really be a useful tool in the tool box during winter.
Just like The Christy Knife, any pocket knife with a corkscrew, automatic center punch, Parker Jotter ball point pen, and other items Mentors shared when I was coming up.
Keep in mind I was born in the mid 1950s.
I first saw Mentors share with Ladies about fingerless gloves, and pocket carry for tools such as guns, knives, and impact weapons. My maternal grandma did this, and she passed before I turned six years old.
So I was born seeing her and other ladies do this.
Guys did this too of course.
Then again keep in mind a lot of folks in cities took the bus, or streetcar; especially single ladies.
Young lady from a rural or semi rural area would move to a bigger city to attend college, and often times lived in a boarding house and walked to work downtown, or rode the bus/streetcar to work, and then take the bus/streetcar to attend night classes.
With a gun in the coat pocket, wearing fingerless gloves, if nothing more than on strong side hand, a lady had hand on gun, knife, or impact tool.
Add an umbrella for the cold, rainy days- and nights.
Married gals, well back then, most families only had one car. The husband took the car to work, except on Friday, (payday) when the wife would take him to work, and used the car to get groceries, and other shopping done.
There was Blue Laws in effect, meaning no stores open on Sunday. There were no Wal-Marts or any stores open late, for sure not 24 hours.
A lady has always been more of a target walking , waiting for a bus/street car, sitting at a stop light, getting to and from a grocery store/shopping place and vehicle, and standing there locking and unlocking a door to where she lived.
Friday was payday, everybody knew it, especially criminals.
Criminals watched folks go to the bank. Not just employees, also business owners.
Many times employers paid employees in cash.
Why?
Simple, it saved employees the trouble of having to spend their 30min, or 1hour lunch time going to the bank.
Sometimes a guy would ride into work with a neighbor. These two neighbor wives shared that one car.
Pay envelopes were passed out that morning, the wives ran by husband's work and they handed the wife the envelope with cash or check, to run by the bank and take care of groceries and other shopping.
It is said everything we need has already been invented, just it is re-discovered from time to time.
Sure, the only constant is change...
These tools may change, still without Mindset and Skillsets, a Tool is useless.
Tools:
Snub nosed revolver, it may have only been a "hardware store" Iver Johnson, or H&R or a Smith & Wesson or Colt.
.22 lr was used often, as it allowed for less expensive , quality practice.
.32 cal was real popular and of course .38spl.
See, everyone knew that the .22 lr snub nose , allowed for instilling the correct basic fundamentals of shooting, for using the more powerful .32 or .38.
Cops did this, so did the private sector.
These guns will fire from the coat pocket, you knew this of course.
Folks were raised right, they started young learning to do these things. Such as being able to open The Christy Knife, or carton cutter, or pocket knife with corkscrew, while in the pocket.
Even a old fashioned small pen knife less than 3" can be, if one knows how.
"Snick" - did you just see me open the corkscrew on a SAK Spartan weak handed?
Of course not, my weak hand was in the pocket of the zip up sweat shirt / jacket I am wearing with a hood.
Now I got a tool if need in hand, right now.
What is in my other pocket?
1929 Colt Detective Special , loaded with standard pressure 158 gr LSWC.
I can as I just did, access these sitting down, with my zipper , zipper up halfway.
Pocket Knife with corkscrew, no, I do not drink.
Still a lot of folks carried a pocket knife with a corkscrew that did not drink when I was kid as well.
Some of these knives would be called "waiter knives" today, SAK makes a few.
Set aside many bottles came with cork stopper, or aspirin bottles had cotton in them.
Many a mom has gotten that knot out of tennis shoe of a child. She had gotten that knot out of a piece of rope, even a dawg leash.
Yes, hammers were bobbed even back then, one could also buy a hammer shroud for S&W and Colts.
As I said, some things are not really new, they are just re-discovered from time to time.
The AA Mini-Mag Light was pretty neat and special when these came out, still a small chrome flashlight with a glass lens , made an impact too....
MikePGS
Member
Hey SM just wanted to say happy holidays. Thank you for all the informative and fun posts you make throughout the year(s).
sm
member
MikePGS,
Best to you and yours as well.
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Beretta small caliber, small semi autos were another popular gun , and really popular for winter.
So were Baby Brownings and Colt Vest Pockets and similar.
The darn things are so small, even in hand out of a coat pocket.
Still the Tip up feature of the Beretta Minx, Jetfire, and Bobcat allow for some options , others do not.
I was raised to have these guns in pocket, and one can make ready, or safe with one hand.
Make Safe- just tip the barrel, it cannot fire the ctg chambered with the barrel up.
Make Hot, tip it back down.
I was even taught to drop mag/insert mag one handed with gun in pocket.
They would have a full mag, the gun with no mag and I would tip barrel to make sure no ctg chambered.
Stick gun and mag in pocket, slide the first ctg out of mag, insert mag, snick on safety, insert one ctg into chamber and gun is ready.
I know folks have stuck there hands in another persons coat pocket.
Girlfriends, wives and teenage daughter do this, to keep hands warm.
Allow me to use a modern situation, for instance your Wife works in a NO Weapon building, and you are outside and legal to have firearms concealed.
You meet her just outside the door to pick her up, and being winter, and dark sooner, you can safely pass your wife a Beretta Bobcat, for the walk to the vehicle.
The Bobcat is in your pocket, ctg chambered, mag inserted, ready to use.
Wife comes out, you tip up barrel. You two hug, and you can drop that gun into her coat pocket, and all she has to do, is make sure safety is on, ctg in chamber, and tip down barrel.
I have walked out of a Courthouse (NPE) including a Federal Courthouse for lunch.
One cannot even have a SAK classic in such places.
Still in broad daylight, even in Summer, and just wearing a sport coat , have a lady meet me, and greet me.
We hug, and her hand drops a Bobcat into my inside coat pocket.
I am armed while we walk to a place to eat.
I pass it back to her, in similar fashion before I go back to Courthouse with Metal Detectors.
NAA Mini-Revolvers I and mine have used for a long, long time.
I prefer the 1 1/8" .22 lr.
Staying with the Courthouse again, being as it is a NPE, and with Metal Detectors,
This small gun fits in box of cigarettes.
"Babe, you got a smoke?"
The only thing folks see is a box of smokes being handed over. Yes, one can get a smoke out, fire one up with the NAA in the box.
Again, not just winter, also in broad daylight, on a hot, humid, southern summer day I have done this, with LEOs no more than 10 feet away.
I/we are legal where we do this off NPE property, still...
Winter again.
What is something girls do all the time to guys?
The gal has cold hands and she sticks them inside a guy's open jacket.
They also stick them in guys coat pockets.
Couples also stick hands in the back pocket pocket of another.
It may look like some college kids flirting and maybe a bit inappropriate for some folks tastes, still a guy and girl will :
-Walk side by side with a hand in the others back pocket, or
-Be facing each other and playing smacky face, trying to swallow each other's tongues, and be really close and snugly with hands on each others butts with hands in the others back pocket.
They do this in Winter time, Heck I have. Even further I have had wife, fiance', sister, even mother of a friend do this, to get a gun out of my back pocket.
Or other areas I have mentioned.
Re: Box of smokes.
One early signal to stay safe is watching folks that are doing smoking things.
A smoker can spot a Non-Smoker a long ways off.
Smokers get some earlier signals than non-smokers often times.
Not just cigarettes, not just "hardroll" (store bought) or RYO ( roll your own) also Cigar and Pipe smokers. These guns fit in Pipe Tobacco Pouch, a Pouch of Bugler Tobacco that comes with 40 cigarette papers, and some 5 pak boxes of cigars.
I am not condoning smoking, I am strongly suggesting one get with a smoker and pay attention and then use what learned to give the perception of being a smoker, and a benefit is being able to "read the room" and get an early signal evil is nigh, as "those folks are not smokers, they are just pretending to be...".
Think out of the box...
No matter the season...
Best to you and yours as well.
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Beretta small caliber, small semi autos were another popular gun , and really popular for winter.
So were Baby Brownings and Colt Vest Pockets and similar.
The darn things are so small, even in hand out of a coat pocket.
Still the Tip up feature of the Beretta Minx, Jetfire, and Bobcat allow for some options , others do not.
I was raised to have these guns in pocket, and one can make ready, or safe with one hand.
Make Safe- just tip the barrel, it cannot fire the ctg chambered with the barrel up.
Make Hot, tip it back down.
I was even taught to drop mag/insert mag one handed with gun in pocket.
They would have a full mag, the gun with no mag and I would tip barrel to make sure no ctg chambered.
Stick gun and mag in pocket, slide the first ctg out of mag, insert mag, snick on safety, insert one ctg into chamber and gun is ready.
I know folks have stuck there hands in another persons coat pocket.
Girlfriends, wives and teenage daughter do this, to keep hands warm.
Allow me to use a modern situation, for instance your Wife works in a NO Weapon building, and you are outside and legal to have firearms concealed.
You meet her just outside the door to pick her up, and being winter, and dark sooner, you can safely pass your wife a Beretta Bobcat, for the walk to the vehicle.
The Bobcat is in your pocket, ctg chambered, mag inserted, ready to use.
Wife comes out, you tip up barrel. You two hug, and you can drop that gun into her coat pocket, and all she has to do, is make sure safety is on, ctg in chamber, and tip down barrel.
I have walked out of a Courthouse (NPE) including a Federal Courthouse for lunch.
One cannot even have a SAK classic in such places.
Still in broad daylight, even in Summer, and just wearing a sport coat , have a lady meet me, and greet me.
We hug, and her hand drops a Bobcat into my inside coat pocket.
I am armed while we walk to a place to eat.
I pass it back to her, in similar fashion before I go back to Courthouse with Metal Detectors.
NAA Mini-Revolvers I and mine have used for a long, long time.
I prefer the 1 1/8" .22 lr.
Staying with the Courthouse again, being as it is a NPE, and with Metal Detectors,
This small gun fits in box of cigarettes.
"Babe, you got a smoke?"
The only thing folks see is a box of smokes being handed over. Yes, one can get a smoke out, fire one up with the NAA in the box.
Again, not just winter, also in broad daylight, on a hot, humid, southern summer day I have done this, with LEOs no more than 10 feet away.
I/we are legal where we do this off NPE property, still...
Winter again.
What is something girls do all the time to guys?
The gal has cold hands and she sticks them inside a guy's open jacket.
They also stick them in guys coat pockets.
Couples also stick hands in the back pocket pocket of another.
It may look like some college kids flirting and maybe a bit inappropriate for some folks tastes, still a guy and girl will :
-Walk side by side with a hand in the others back pocket, or
-Be facing each other and playing smacky face, trying to swallow each other's tongues, and be really close and snugly with hands on each others butts with hands in the others back pocket.
They do this in Winter time, Heck I have. Even further I have had wife, fiance', sister, even mother of a friend do this, to get a gun out of my back pocket.
Or other areas I have mentioned.
Re: Box of smokes.
One early signal to stay safe is watching folks that are doing smoking things.
A smoker can spot a Non-Smoker a long ways off.
Smokers get some earlier signals than non-smokers often times.
Not just cigarettes, not just "hardroll" (store bought) or RYO ( roll your own) also Cigar and Pipe smokers. These guns fit in Pipe Tobacco Pouch, a Pouch of Bugler Tobacco that comes with 40 cigarette papers, and some 5 pak boxes of cigars.
I am not condoning smoking, I am strongly suggesting one get with a smoker and pay attention and then use what learned to give the perception of being a smoker, and a benefit is being able to "read the room" and get an early signal evil is nigh, as "those folks are not smokers, they are just pretending to be...".
Think out of the box...
No matter the season...
MAGNUM44
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I like the winter for carring, under a heavy coat etc you can pack a cannon size gun without printing
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