Suppressor on a Ruger pc carbine?
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Being as the Ruger is straight blowback you'll get some port pop. I'd guess in the 130db range.
I had a PC Charger and with my Torrent T9k it wasn't unpleasant to shoot sans ear pro but loud enough I would use at least plugs for volume shooting.
I had a PC Charger and with my Torrent T9k it wasn't unpleasant to shoot sans ear pro but loud enough I would use at least plugs for volume shooting.
MachIVshooter
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The PC has a decent amount of port noise, enough to bother my naked ears. Of the modern stuff, the Stribog is about the quietest off-the-shelf simple blowback 9mm carbine, and it's right on the edge of what I can tolerate without plugs.
And of course supersonic pistol rounds still have an offensive crack.
But it's still very much worth it, IMO. the attenuation allows one to gently push foamies into the ear and have sufficient protection, don't have to roll them and really stuff them, making them all gross with ear wax and carbon from your fingers rolling them, something you really don't want to remove during breaks, waiting instead until you're all done.
And if you need to dispatch a pest or something and don't have ear pro handy, it may still be a little unpleasant, but far, far less offensive and damaging than unsuppressed.
That's the idea behind our 5.56 SBRs for HD. Should we ever be forced to use them in that capacity, 10.5 inch ARs with 5" cans will still be really loud in a confined space, but (literally) orders of magnitude less damaging than the 170+ dB of an unsuppressed shorty with its massive flash and overpressure.
And of course supersonic pistol rounds still have an offensive crack.
But it's still very much worth it, IMO. the attenuation allows one to gently push foamies into the ear and have sufficient protection, don't have to roll them and really stuff them, making them all gross with ear wax and carbon from your fingers rolling them, something you really don't want to remove during breaks, waiting instead until you're all done.
And if you need to dispatch a pest or something and don't have ear pro handy, it may still be a little unpleasant, but far, far less offensive and damaging than unsuppressed.
That's the idea behind our 5.56 SBRs for HD. Should we ever be forced to use them in that capacity, 10.5 inch ARs with 5" cans will still be really loud in a confined space, but (literally) orders of magnitude less damaging than the 170+ dB of an unsuppressed shorty with its massive flash and overpressure.
N555
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I have a sten gun pistol with a big no moving parts silencer. With full power, but subsonic 147gr ammo pushing 1,100 out of a 9 inch barrel it sounds like 22lr shooting sub sonic ammo out of a rifle length barrel.
With my extra quiet ammo it sounds like a noisy pellet gun aside from the bolt smacking around.
With my extra quiet ammo it sounds like a noisy pellet gun aside from the bolt smacking around.
It does have a 16” barrel which I’ve been told already helps with the noise some compared to a pistol. I wear ear plugs with pistols obviously. I have electronic ones and they switched from cancel to transparent mid shoot when shooting my .22 2.75” with stingers. 6 rapid fire shots that was very noisy to me. I’m assuming with a can the 9 with super sonics would be less than 22 pistol?
MachIVshooter
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Nope. The crack off of supersonic pistol bullets is highly offensive, often enough to ring ears.
And with a 16" barrel, you're gonna have to handload or stick to 158 gr & heavier factory ammo. 147s tend to go super with that much barrel.
It made mine much quieter. The only problem was, it also made it much more unwieldy. That gun has since found a better home and the replacement was a Ruger Charger.
Unlike MachIV, I have had zero trouble with 147s going supersonic, but your altitude may vary (at higher altitudes you will have more trouble keeping the bullets subsonic).
If you do put a can on it, my recommendation is always something by MachIV - the Phoenix IX is excellent (I have 2). Maybe the modular version if you want to balance the gun slightly better. Keep in mind your iron sights will no longer be usable.
Unlike MachIV, I have had zero trouble with 147s going supersonic, but your altitude may vary (at higher altitudes you will have more trouble keeping the bullets subsonic).
If you do put a can on it, my recommendation is always something by MachIV - the Phoenix IX is excellent (I have 2). Maybe the modular version if you want to balance the gun slightly better. Keep in mind your iron sights will no longer be usable.
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If I'm understanding yes it'll be much quieter than an unsuppressed 22 pistol, with supers a suppressed 9mm will be almost as loud as a 22 rifle although the sound will be just a bit further from your ear.
It's really hard to describe it well as everyone has a bit different perception. Tone plays a big part.
MachIVshooter
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Yes, I should have mentioned that variable. Here at 6,800 ft, the speed of sound is about 1,030 FPS, some 90 FPS lower than at sea level. Most 147 gr. factory loads will exceed that here from 10" and longer barrels.
However, quite a few factory 147 loads will run well into the 1,100s from a 16" gun, which is gonna make them super even at lower elevations.
The Fiocchi 158 gr won't go super out of any barrel length, regardless of altitude, so that's what we run. It's a little more expensive than cheap 147 gr stuff, but not much.
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I made a 9" long, 1.5" OD can for a friend's Ruger PCC. Tested it in a small room into a Duct Seal trap using 147gr Winchester's 'Super Suppressed' type, averaging at about 1,060fps out of that gun and from my own PCC from a different manufacturer. The fellow was unused to suppressed shooting except with airguns, so was a little surprised there was a substantial sound, admitting later that he had fallen for the 'meme' about Hollywood quiet. But while testing the result neither of us ever flinched nor thought hearing protection seemed important, as it was certainly a noise but not at all painful. Outdoors, testing it in the woods the following week, he was grinning at how much quieter is was among trees. We're just above sea level so obviously still subsonic. I recommended that if he wanted to shoot at higher altitudes he use Remington UMC 147gr, which hovers around 1,000fps from these PCC types. It's a big can, so not a lot of muzzle noise, but even port noise wasn't so bad. The tungsten weight Ruger puts in the bolt carrier must help a little with delayed blowback.
Gordon
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It seems that Ecco Machine Original Canine is living on my 6" barrel Ruger 9mm PC Charger It does not obstruct the sights, is servicable, weighs next to nothing and is short . even with 5 baffles and no wipe it does not hurt our ears when held out as a pistol , the port pop is louder when short braced , but with the cheaper 115 grain super sonic ammo it really does not matter it's not Hollywood safe. Its just kewl. The Canine is easily moved too !
MachIVshooter
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They sold me an omega 45k that’ll work for my .300blk and 9mm. Here’s to 6 months of waiting
Just what they happened to have in stock or what? The Omega 45K is a decent .45 cal K can, but it wouldn't even be a "maybe" on my list of recommendations for .300 blk and 9mm carbines.
I would never recommend a .45 can if one doesn't have or plan to have any hosts over 9mm caliber to suppress. Generally larger dimensions, and a bigger bore that won't suppress as effectively.
And plan on 10+ months if efiled, over a year if paper. If they told you 6 months, they lied to your face to push the sale.
Yea he said it would work well. I don’t know much about them I told him I wanted a fairly universal can. I do want to get a .45 acp at some point that I’m hoping it’ll work on too. He sells a lot of surpressors so I took his word for it. I’m sure there are better ones but I also didn’t want to spend over $1000. It was $839 with tax stamp. Well in his defense he said 6-10 months but I was trying to be foolishly optimistic with the government.
Soonerpesek
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He recommended exactly what you asked for then......................what you're getting is on the button for 45acp, and "averagely useful" for the others.....
It would have been nice if you wouldda happened upon @MachIVshooter and some others first to get a better idea of what you may want/need.
In any regards, generally your first can is usually not your last.............
...................you'll have fun when it gets here.........No it won’t be my last. Yea should’ve asked a bit more but as long as it helps a bit that’s better than nothing for me. Online it claims it gets 9mm handgun from 158 decibels to 137 and .300 blk down to 133. I know some can get a .300 down to 119 or so I’ve been told so it certainly isn’t the best. What’s a good can for a .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor? I want to get one for which ever of those i pick eventually too.He recommended exactly what you asked for then......................what you're getting is on the button for 45acp, and "averagely useful" for the others.....
It would have been nice if you wouldda happened upon @MachIVshooter and some others first to get a better idea of what you may want/need.
In any regards, generally your first can is usually not your last.............
I believe MachIV's can for medium-bores is the Valkyrie. I can never remember because I have an earlier model. The name isn't particularly important though; his cans absolutely rock. I have 3 centerfires and 2 rimfires made by him and zero complaints. Also his decibel numbers are lower than what you posted.
MachIVshooter
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The current Valkyrie is still a 1.5" OD can, but a fully welded all 17-4 stainless critter now with industry standard 1.375-24 Bravo threads, and we do them in any length from 6" on up in ~1/2" increments and calibers in 5.56/6.5mm, .30, .36/.375 and .458. We can be more specific, but there's little point in doing something like a dedicated 7mm bore when the efficacy is practically the same as .30, shot to shot deviation being greater than the average difference.
Furtivus became the designation for a lighter, slimmer hunting model at 1-3/8" OD.
Aquilae & Accipter are the newer and more robust ones, 1.6" OD and full auto/large magnum rated. Like the others, lengths from 6" on up. They're the same can, just chose to designate 7" & under as Aquilae, 7.5" and longer as Accipiter.
We actually don't have any tube type rifle models anymore, just rimfire and a couple pistol cans that are serviceable. Tubeless construction allows us to make lighter, more effective cans at a slightly lower price point. Nobody seems to mind (clean) weld lines, either; many folks actually prefer that aesthetic.
I sure wish I'd have seen some of his posts when I was getting all mine. Over all I'm pretty happy but a couple I prolly woulda done different.
I also kinda feel like a jerk for not supporting Ecco's business with all the great advice and information he posts here.
Gordon
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I hate to say it but sounds like folks talking after 2020 elections "if I just knew" !
On a lighter note was shooting 7" Aquilae on a 6.5 Creedmore next to two other .308 suppressed bolt guns . One was a 5.5" SilencerCo. and it was every bit as quiet as my Aquilae. On the 6.5CM the Aquilae is hearing safe on the 24" rebarrelled Rem. PSS700 6.5 Creedmore which has a whoosing sound of gas release with some smoke and the large supersonic crack. The other guys non servicible SilencerCo had the same length barrel in .308 and a little low boom but no louder sound total and zero smoke. The other guy had a servicable but modular looking suppressor Bannish something with a huge blast chamber , but few baffels that he said worked up thru .300 magnums , it was slightly louder but was servicible as he showed me. I did not wear hearing protection on the firing line during all suppressor shooting. My .300 Black with 220 subs with the same Aquilae was Hollywood quiet and I printed some 1" 100 yard groups , good enough !! The 6.5 with Aquilae and 140 Hornady bullets at 2750 FPS from Lab radar produced cloverleafs at 100 yards and 1 1/4" at 200 yards and hit 8" ringers at 400 every time .
The consensus was that different suppressors make different sound and one should NOT get wrapped around the DB reduction thing, all things considered. Also Monocores suck !!
On a lighter note was shooting 7" Aquilae on a 6.5 Creedmore next to two other .308 suppressed bolt guns . One was a 5.5" SilencerCo. and it was every bit as quiet as my Aquilae. On the 6.5CM the Aquilae is hearing safe on the 24" rebarrelled Rem. PSS700 6.5 Creedmore which has a whoosing sound of gas release with some smoke and the large supersonic crack. The other guys non servicible SilencerCo had the same length barrel in .308 and a little low boom but no louder sound total and zero smoke. The other guy had a servicable but modular looking suppressor Bannish something with a huge blast chamber , but few baffels that he said worked up thru .300 magnums , it was slightly louder but was servicible as he showed me. I did not wear hearing protection on the firing line during all suppressor shooting. My .300 Black with 220 subs with the same Aquilae was Hollywood quiet and I printed some 1" 100 yard groups , good enough !! The 6.5 with Aquilae and 140 Hornady bullets at 2750 FPS from Lab radar produced cloverleafs at 100 yards and 1 1/4" at 200 yards and hit 8" ringers at 400 every time .
The consensus was that different suppressors make different sound and one should NOT get wrapped around the DB reduction thing, all things considered. Also Monocores suck !!
Soonerpesek
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Sandman S | Dead Air Silencers ............and the KEYMO adapter is awesome............!
SilencerCo Omega 300: The Can That Set the Bar for 30 Cal Suppressors
..........or this fellow:..........https://www.eccomachine.net...........he knows a thing or three...............!
