Surely Hawk didn't buy a bling-y safe queen 586?

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Surely not.

It was a "rescue mission" sort of bling with what appeared to be "real" engraving, nasty, nasty nickle with stuff growing on it and fake ivory stocks with somebody else's initials carved in the right hand stock. Sounds lovely, enh?

Oddly enough, it was trussed up like a Christmas turkey with two separate chastity belts, priced what seemed appropriate for something other than a S&W factory custom and came complete with box, proctologist's gloves and warnings not to handle thing, all suspiciously bereft of S&W trademark on any of the paperwork. There was also a goodly collection of Colt papers in the box - one can only assume someone was matching up paraphernalia for a sale and got a bit confused.

So naturally I buy it, thinking I'll clean it up, have it re-nickled and turn it into a BBQ gun. / light duty shooter.

So's, off comes the chastity belts and I attack the thing with great gusto, Flitz and a quarter pound of shotgun cleaning patches. Hours later it gradually becomes apparent it wasn't nickle - it was sterling silver and did what silver does when ignored for long stretches - it tarnishes. When one cleans it, it shines up such that I don't know if I can photo the thing or not and I cover the mess with Ren Wax so it won't tarnish in the next half hour.

So now I'm wondering what to do with the beast.

1. I assume that my removing the cable ties to get rid of the tarnish blew whatever collectibilty it had. Somehow, putting the wire ties back on just doesn't seem honest.

2. Once I cipher that it's silver, the Standard Catalog has a listing that fits - something S&W made 100 of for the American Historical Foundation. I don't know anything about this firm but assume it's one of those places that gets Billy Mays to advertise commemoratives on late night cable. Hence the attractive pricing.

3. I'm guessing silver is a pee-poor choice for a real finish and even light shooting is "out" unless I get it nickled.

Oh yeah, the "somebody else's initials" looked like CSP but are actually GSP - the thing was once a George S. Patton commemorative 586 from around 1994. There were 100 bling and another 900 sorta bling, or thereabouts.

So, what I'm looking for is confirmation that an AHF release isn't collectible or, if it ever was, removal of the cable ties killed it and I won't cause anyone to stroke out by having it nickled for mild use.

TIA. I'll try to take pics again but this thing is shiny now.
 
Poor Patton.. I was raised in Hamilton Mass where his estate still is. There is a park named after him with sherman tank no less.
His schooner the When and If lingers about for the elite to sail out of Manchester by the Sea. I am not sure when the by the Sea part was invented, I guess in the 80's some time..

I for one would like to see pics of this gun.. And you might re-think the chastity belts thing, because if ever on the other side you bump into Patton he will give you a Royal ass kickin fer that wee comment..

Just too funny, but i would like to se this peice just the same...
 
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The poor Old Fuff sits in the darkness with his head in his hands.... sobbing... :uhoh:


What has he done.... Created a..... :eek:

Once upon a time Hawk was content, playing with cowboy six-shooters and an occasional 1911 style pistol. :)

But then the Old Fuff introduced him to the world of Smith & Wesson...

Now this....

He continues to cry in the darkness as he comtemplates what might be next... :D
 
A Smith? Surely Hawk could've found the Python AHF, like the one below!
Well, it was Python papers in the cardboard box. I guess that counts. A little.

At least they could have used a Mod 27 instead of a 586 if they wanted to honor Georgie's Registered Magnum.
And real ivory, fer cryin' out loud. And something nicer than a S&W cardboard box (maybe that was omitted but supplied originally?)

Anyhow, this is the best I can do until somebody teaches me how to turn off the dang flash.

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In my grief I must still pause long enough to inform the misguided Hawk that the late General Patton’s .357 Registered Magnum was neither engraved nor silver plated. It was ordered on September 9, 1935; and the order specified that it have a 3 ½” barrel with McGivern (gold bead) front sight, with a “U” notch in the rear. It was to be sighted and zeroed at 15 yards using .357 Magnum ammunition. He used a dead-center hold. Blued finish. He specified he wanted a “Wesson grip adapter,” but no mention of ivory stocks. Those were added later. The registration number was 506.

I don’t know what Hawk paid, but Patton had to come up with $48.00 :evil:
 
I don’t know what Hawk paid, but Patton had to come up with $48.00

Well, mine was in 3 figures but thankfully not 4. It wasn't much more than what I expect folks to be paying for 586s generally in 3 years or so. I gather from the Wiki answer (Thanks Mr. Borland) that I'm missing a nicer box and some gizmos. Although the S&W cardboard box has matching serial number and all that. It's number 83 of 100. Sure am glad I'm not one of the ones that coughed up 2,500.00 - not like that would happen for a wall hanger.

The procto gloves (white cotton?) got me laughing out loud.

It's definitely silver (at least per SCoSW and it was tarnished to beat the band), unfired and unturned apart from whatever it picked up when I closed the cylinder.
 
I think thats a very nice looking revolver you got there. Definitely something I wouldnt shoot though. Good BBQ gun.
 
Very nice. Really very, very attractive. Many AHF commemoratives are pretty darn tacky, and don't hold value very well, but that one is very nice. The "P083" (P083D, right?) on the bottom of the frame below the crane conforms to the way they numbered their guns, and as the SCSW states, S&W put that on the gun for them. As to your questions:

1) No, I don't think removing the ties drops any value. Shooting it would. If you put them on again, no problem, just disclose they were removed for cleaning in 2008, then replaced. Honesty trumps everything.

2) AHF does some really tacky things, and is about like you said. At least there are real guns under there, so that's solid. That yours was customized at the factory and not at their aftermarket folks is a BIG plus. That appears to be S&W engraving-quality to me. This will be a desirable S&W collectible.

3) Since it's a real S&W product, I'd keep it unfired myself, and not carry it - silver wears pretty badly compared to other possible finishes.

Recently I ran across some photos of GSP's real sidearms, they are at the Patton Museum in KY (I saw them once a very long time ago). Here's a link:

http://couvisblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/patton-pistols.html

Should you want to carry that as a BBQ gun and go "whole hog," the original carry rig was made custom for him by SD Myres, currently made by El Paso Saddlery. They make the same rig today. Their work is not cheap, but it is top-notch, and cheaper than some custom/ semi-custom makers.

Interestingly, looking again at those photos I now notice the holster for the S&W on the left is not tailored to the 27 - looks like a standard SAA style for a 4 3/4" - definitely not custom tailored for a 3.5" S&W 27. I read in an article by Ayoob (Guns Magazine, 8/2003), that Patton had two SAA's, gave one to a Hollywood actor, and replaced it with the S&W. So that may explain why the holster isn't tailored to the S&W. An SAA and an N frame S&W can share the same holster without a problem.

As a loving owner of a 3.5" S&W 27, I did some reading about the GSP gun and recalled these details. I carry mine in an El Paso holster, but not the Patton rig.
 
Well, I guess I wax it up and rat-hole the thing until I can unload it for something a little more usable. Too bad, I was starting to warm up to the idea of APW Cogan doing hard chrome rather than nickle and putting her to work.

I may yet weaken - I lack the collector gene and not even dry firing the thing will wear on me in subtle ways.

I guess a lesson here is that one can not "force" collectibility in the way AHF would wish to. In checking their web site I note that display boxes are "optional" so the previous owner didn't misplace any paraphernalia and didn't do anything wrong apart from letting it tarnish - and still took it in the shorts for around 75% if I'm guessing what my dealer gave for it anywhere close. OUCH! At least I shouldn't have much trouble recovering my 900.00 for it - when standard 586s hit that point APW Cogan will start looking really good. :evil:

Well... (sniff)...

At least it doesn't have MIM lockwork and an internal lock...
It may not have MIM but aren't you curious how silver plating affects the feel and function of the conventional hammer and trigger? I haven't popped the side plate but it looks like the whole part is plated.

Hawk's first safe queen. Never say "never", I guess.
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It looks pretty nice to me... There is such a thing as special cloth bags for just items made of silver. Most of these are for real silver silver ware, but they come big enough to put a gun that size in.

Most of what turns silver dark is sulfer in the air from cars. Since it is plate, it is probably .999 fine, and not very thick/deep, and soft.

I am like you and don't like safe queens you can't shoot, so I will never offer to buy it.. If somehow I came on to a gun like that I would load it and only shoot it to stop rich bad guys, so they would be shot in style and maybe a little class.

Come to think of it I don't know any rich guys other than poly tics, and while their bad hombree's in their own right I can't quiet see wasting any ammo on em, when a rail, a bucket of tar, and a bag of feathers will do.

Thnaks for showin us the pics.. And oh you press buttons at random on the camera untill the lightning bolt display shows with a slash thru it probably.
 
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