Survival Gun & Kit Discussion

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Question: If you had been in something like the Hurricane Katrina and had to evac. what would you put in the travel 'kit?

Going over the contents of the S & W Disaster / Survual KIt
that they offer with several different weapon options, it
includes:

* Waterprrof Case to contain all contents of D/S kit
* Pocket Survival Packet ( whatever that is, no details? )
* Hand crank oper. radio/light combo.
* Emergency food for 4 people for 3 days
* 4 Emerg. Space blankets
* water purification tablets
* lightweight First Aid Kit
* 12" x 12" Waterproof Document bag for important papers.


A. What else to include besides a hnad gun and ammo choice

A collapsible water container comes to mind seems a no brainer .

B. What Weapon or Weapons to include?
.
I would vote for a Stainless Steel Handgun

A 1911 with a small S&W 317 as a backup or for
another family member to use

Perhaps the undefined Pocket SUrvuval kit has a Compass?
 
Texas has a brochure called "Ready South Texas" with a lot of advice on what to have readily available in case of natural disaster, or other emergency. HEB Grocery stores were distributing them a few years ago...

My wife has it stuck on our refrigerator. I looked it over... It lists the standard items as mentioned in the first post (except for a weapon of course) The only thing it mentions about if you are in some kind of trouble or need protection... is to have a whistle so that you can just keep blowing the whistle until someone comes to help you... :confused:

thanks, but.... no


Back on topic...
How about any required medications or prescriptions...?
 
I'd pack Tylenol, Hand Sanitizer, matches, etc.


For a gun I'd think I'd have to go the Revolver route. You don't have to worry about keeping track of magazines etc. I'd hate to be in a situation where you accidentally lose a mag or it gets jammed.
 
Diarrhea pills. Don't know what you're eating or drinking or coming into contact with? May have to hike for days or sit in a shelter for who knows how long? Perhaps you only have one pair of pants for the duration, don't really want to mess it up do you?

Seriously, people can die from dehydration caused by the runs.
 
First and foremost, the gun you need is the gun you have.
I don't care if it is a .303 Enfield or a 9mm hi point. Picking a firearm that is good for teotwaki alone is a fool's errand. Spend your time before the hurricanes/tornado/flood/zombie apocolypse and get a decent firearm and practice beforehand.

As to food, water and all that other crap? Do you have a place you can go? Good. Camel back, canteens, and water bottles. Jerky and other long lasting foods. Now, get yourself a pack and hump it to your bug out location. When you are tired of carrying 7,000 pounds and you haven't made it off the front porch, you will really start to find out what is or isn't important. That is where the real gold is at.

If i come off as rude, i sincerely apologize.

All that said, you will have better results by doing a search at zombiehunters.org
 
The one thing that is left out of every diaster kit and 72 hour kit I've seen, and the thing that 90% of the people fleeing Katrina needed and didn't have...


and waited in line 4 hours to get...


gasoline.
 
Folks,

We've had tons of Katrina and SHTF threads and unless we've got something that is new to say about them I'll direct your eyes to the stickie at the top of the forum.

What needs to be said is that the gun is not your most important item and the stories told by the folks here will show that to you if you'll read them.

Picking a firearm that is good for teotwaki alone is a fool's errand. Spend your time before the hurricanes/tornado/flood/zombie apocolypse and get a decent firearm and practice beforehand.
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The zombiehunters site is where a lot of folks went to discuss this after we asked folks to limit the discussion here. They're a good group of folks.
 
ok, a backpack isn't too waterproof, but could sertainly be
stocked with the usual stuff for a small campstove and coleman gas
bottle, a bunch of soup mix packages, etc. and changes of Undies ans socks of course, firestarter, a container for matches How about a leathermans's
multi-tool but the first waterproof case is the first thing you grab and the last thing you would let go of.

I wnt camping on a motorcycle and had the basic two man tent and sleeping bag but in the A.M if you have a good stainless steel cup and a soup spoon
you can at least beg for coffee or soup etc. Figured out the stove and
cook kit on the next camping adventure. oh, and the flashlight.

THe cook kit would also be good to have to place on the tail gate of
'57 Plymouth 9 passenger station wagon for a lunch stop.

Pain killers - Ibuprofen/aleve, some antihistimine in case of a bee sting,
oh, snake bite kit.

50 rds minimum for a centerfire revolver or Aemi-Auto
along with some shot shells. 100 rds of .22 LR for the
backup and a GOOD KNIFE


I always get the knife /fork/spoon McD's offers as it
comes in cellophane w/napkins and toss em in the
bottom of my daypack I travel with along with some
snacks like oatmeal cookies and the proverbial can of
Vienna sausage Hey sometimes the next bus stop
might not have much of anything.
 
I would also suggest cash in 20 dollar bills no larger perhaps a bank account at a notional back lots of the local banks in La went out. So that when you can find a place to buy stuff you can. packaged food Gander Mountain carries them. If you have children then stuff to entertain them thet does not require electric.
 
Oh, a cell phone and charger - and I carry a backup
little black notebook with phone numbers as well
also I have the 7 day 7 compartment conntainer for
vitamins/minerals. a roll of TP is a good thing inthe backpack.

but as far as a weapon goes - I'd want my usual carry on my hip
for two-legged predators who realize you have more 'kit' than they
do and want to take it. for the Survival pack A T/C contnder
with the .45 Colt/.410 ga. could be a game getter. with a spare barrel in .22 lr
 
Iodine tablets or 'empty' bleach bottles.

If you need to purify water, and come across an empty bleach jug, the small amount of bleach left can be used to purify the water. Back during the depression was a widely used method of water purification.

I always pack extra socks.

-water containers
-aluminum cookware(camp stuff)
-lighters, maybe one of those magnesium fire starters(with the flint on it)
-I would pack MREs Jerky is good.
-mirror
-first aid kit
-some aspirin
-benadryl
-duct tape
-several knives
-change of clothes. Can be substituted for cold weather gear.

We are already looking at ~20lbs

-ammo of course
-pencil, paper, maybe a notebook
-tent, or tart
-rope, cord, line, w/e
-fishing equiptment?(line, hooks)
-machete
-rucksack(ran outta pockets:neener:)
-iodine tablets
-gun(Remington 870 for me)
-duct tape
-more lighters
-axe maybe
-wool blanket, or sleeping bag
-water
 
As for the waterproof backpack, some surplus sites carry a Swiss Army rucksack that's made of rubberized canvas. They're sturdy and carry a lot of stuff.
 
Oh, a cell phone and charger - and I carry a backup
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Why? The cells will go down just like they did in Katrina. Cell phones are easily overwhelmed and infrastructure dependant. You'd be much better off with a VHF or VHF/UHF hand held that had been open banded if you want emergency communication.

I have a Yaesu FT-897 with two fully charged 4.5 AH internal batteries, a tuner, wire for antennas and a uni-pac 30 watt foldable solar panel. It covers VHF/UHF/HF frequencies and will work regardless of infrastructure. It's in a blaze orange Pelican case
 
Do a search here and on other forums for "bug out bag." You'll find plenty of threads and discussions. Recently the mods here have started closing those discussions here.
 
A 1911 with a small S&W 317 as a backup or for
another family member to use


If you're putting in two handguns I'd make them the same caliber for ammo compatability.
 
The backpack isn't waterproof until you line it with a large trashbag, then fill it with your items. Twist, then tape shut.
 
How many guns do you think you need to survive a hurricane? You can't shoot it.

What amazes me is how many people seem to be obsessed over how much crap they can put in their BOB. I would bet a lot of people could not carry it more than a few hundred yards. If you don't carry a heavy pack regularly, you will quickly lose the ability to do so. And where are you bugging out to? Most shelters are going to take any firearms or knives you are carrying.

I am more worried about bugging in, which seems to me to be a more likely scenario. I bet a fair number of people here have camping stoves they could use to cook on but little or no propane to fuel them. What do you do in the third day of the ice storm when you have used up the three half filled left over propane cylinders from camping season?
 
How simple must it be? What do you need to survive every day????? Just keep those things ready for the number of days you plan to go without the ability to get them.

jj
 
Coleman Peak 1 Apex II camp stove - one burner
it runs on a bottle of Coleman fuel. I have the large
bottle and the small one - the small one is good enough
for a weekend of camp. I replenish the fuel out of a 1/2
gal. can It's replaced every other year I also keep a
rack of bottled water around - they worked on the sewer
on the street south a couple of years ago
and they said the water would be off for a day. 3 days
later it came back - I happened to talk with my sister
and she was at the store I told her to bring me some
bottled water. Ever try making coffee with poofter
grape flavored water? blah...

next post is about guns
 
CWL said:
Diarrhea pills. Don't know what you're eating or drinking or coming into contact with? May have to hike for days or sit in a shelter for who knows how long? Perhaps you only have one pair of pants for the duration, don't really want to mess it up do you?

Seriously, people can die from dehydration caused by the runs.
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Your over the counter anti-diarrhea medications slow down GI motility causing what’s in there to stay. In the event we are discussing diarrhea would most likely be caused by bacteria or a protozoa from contaminated food or water. If this is the case taking a drug which slows down GI motility is a very bad idea because you are allowing these organisms to stay in your GI tract and multiply.

Dan
 
call me paranoid, but my ruck and LCE are ready to go with water purification tabs, loaded mags and all the goodies including my balistic vest. I take my family's security very serious. I carry a small first aid pack in a but pack on my ruck that includes the anit-diarheal meds and all. It is all sitting inside the safe ready to go.
 
What bags does everybody else use for this kind of thing?

I'm kind of sold on Maxpedition myself and I have one of the Pygmy Falcon II's (kind of a weird name, but it's a great backpack) and one of the Jumbo Versi-packs. I generally use the backpack the most since I take it to work and then I generally have the Jumbo Versi-pack in the car (which is where it stays for the most part) which is where I've got my vehicle kit (small quanity of food, water, multi-tool, water purification tablets, survival blanket which is squashed up into a 2X2 square, matches/lighter/magnesium block, compass, small Streamlight flashlight, aluminum cup, pen/pencil and small notebook, small foldout wing stove and fuel tablets that fold up really small etc).

I'm kind of digging on the Colossus though and maybe that will be my next "Manpurse" (as my wife calls my backpack :D) to actually carry if we go to someplace like the fair or on hikes out in the woods. Right now I just use the Jumbo Versi-pack that usually sits in my car but I usually have to take a couple items out since it's basically crammed full of stuff. Maybe I'll just get another Jumbo Versi-Pack for regular use.

Main site.
www.maxpedition.com/

Pygmy Falcon II
http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=145

Jumbo Versi-pack
http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=4&idproduct=6

Fatboy S type Versi-pack
http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=4&idproduct=49

Colossus Versi-pack
http://www.maxpedition.com/store/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=21&idproduct=379
 
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