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Colorado Raid Angers Family


NEW CASTLE, Colo. (AP) -- An armed law enforcement team broke down the door of a family home with a battering ram and took an 11-year-old to a hospital after authorities feared he was not getting proper medical care for what turned out to be a minor head injury.

Garfield County's All Hazards Response Team raided the home Friday night, a day after Jon Shiflett fell after grabbing the handle of a moving car. Someone - possibly a neighbor - called paramedics.

Jon's father, Tom Shiflett, 62, told paramedics he didn't want them to treat Jon and asked them to leave. He told them he had served as a medic in Vietnam and he had the skill to treat his son.

Caseworkers who later visited the family reported seeing injuries that included a "huge hematoma" and a sluggish pupil. They went before a judge seeking a search warrant and order for medical treatment, citing affidavits from the ambulance crew.

Following the raid, a doctor recommended Jon be given fluids, Tylenol and ice to treat the bruises, according to a copy of the child's patient aftercare instructions.

"Inappropriate is not nearly strong enough a word. It was gross irresponsibility and stupidity," said Ross Talbott, owner of the Apple Tree Mobile Home Park south of New Castle, who rents to the Shifletts and who witnessed the raid. "Is this Russia? I don't know what we're coming to when they think your kid needs medical help and they send a SWAT team."

Garfield County Director of Social Services Lynn Rennick said her office is legally required to intervene when it receives a report about possible mistreatment of children, and that court orders are sometimes necessary. She wouldn't discuss any specific case.

The child was returned to the family at about 2:30 a.m. Saturday, hours after the raid.

"In all, there was not one shred of evidence found that we had done anything wrong or that Jon had not been properly cared for at home," said Tina Shiflett, Jon's mother.

© 2008 The Associated Press.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MEDICAL_RAID?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
 
This just goes to reinforce my near hatred for LEOs. That was out of line. If I was the family I'd be talking to a lawyer.
 
This is a duplicate of a closed thread. And actually, I noticed this one was locked for a few minutes before being reopened. I'm a little confused here...

EDIT: Heres the other thread: http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=329626
And the initial poster suggests that there was yet another thread before that one, which was locked...
 
Following the raid, a doctor recommended Jon be given fluids, Tylenol and ice to treat the bruises, according to a copy of the child's patient aftercare instructions.
Well thank goodness they got to him in time! Whew, what a close call! I wonder how social services would handle certain religions that don't believe in doctors, or want to perform births at home. Break out the breaching charges!
 
As mentioned SWAT was following court orders, now did they need to surround the house handcuff etc..., who knows the exact situation, history etc.....

What needs to be remembered is the "concerned" neighbor called authorities instead of communicating with their neighbor about their "concern", then a "concerned" and offended paramedic escalated the situation further out of "concern".

Why can't we communicate anymore?

Oh yeah, another part of the story that isn't mentioned above is the accident happend on Thursday during the day and the raid happened Friday night.
 
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Woo, some departments are going to lose MAJOR dollars due to lawsuits. I'd go after the neighbor (possibly some uber, tree hugging, soccer mom). I would be very, very upset over this one and work 24-7 to serve warrents to the lawyers, judges and everybody who had anything to do with this.
 
Just for the record, World Net Daily broke this story. The other threads were locked because it was reported on WND.:scrutiny:


Originally Posted by Justin
If another source such as a local news paper or tv station reports on this story, feel free to start another thread.
 
And here it is!

BTW, there is radio program called Crosstalk that mentioned this today. The gave out several numbers to call and speak out, including the governor's office.

To make your views known about the Glenwood Springs, Colorado swat team that forcibly entered a home and at gunpoint took the family's 11-year-old boy to the hospital to be treated for a minor injury that was already being treated by his medically-knowledgeable father, contact the following:

Colorado Governor Bill Ritter
303-866-2471
email: [email protected]

Garfield County Sheriff
970-945-0453

Senator Anderson 303-866-4859
Senator Andrews 303-866-3342
Senator Arnold 303-866-4876
Senator Dyer 303-866-4866
Senator Entz 303-866-4871
Senator Evans 303-866-4881
Senator Fitzgerald 303-866-2318
Senator Gordon 303-866-4875
Senator Graf 303-866-4864
Senator Grossman 303-866-4852
Senator Hagedorn 303-866-4879
Senator Isgar 303-866-4884
Senator Johnson 303-866-4853
Senator Jones 303-866-6364
Senator Keller 303-866-4856
Senator Owen 303-866-4866
Senator Reeves 303-866-4841
Senator Takis 303-866-4855

County Board of Commissioners
John Martin
970-945-5004 ext. 1010

Larry McGowan
970-945-5004 ext. 1330
 
BTW, there is radio program called Crosstalk that mentioned this today. The gave out several numbers to call and speak out, including the governor's office.

Ah, yes. Crosstalk. Part of the VCY America radio network.

I've listened to this host before and she seems to be almost as far out there as Fred Phelps.
 
What the...why a SWAT style raid for something like that?

Uh, because the father requested it. If you tell someone to bing an army with their court order, shouldn't they follow your instructions?

There are times when an overewhelming show of force prevents violence - that's evidently what the Sheriff thought. And he was correct.

"Shiflett shouted at this worker and advised this worker that if he obtained a court order, he better 'bring an army,'" the warrant states."

I am with the Sherrif on that one. If am orderd by the court to server an order on a man who has said, "Bring an army!", I would bring an army.

I have to also agree with the paramedics here. They saw an injury that appeared serious that Shiflett was not qualified to diagnose. They saw him ignore symptoms that could have been an indication of a serous head injury, They offered to pay to have the boy checked out.

They acted in the best interest of the child, which is exactly what I would want them to do. They also conviced a judge that there was a serious issue.

Those guys are heroes in my book. They focussed on the welfare of the child, even when confronted by an angry man threatening violence.

"...it states that two social services caseworkers tried to explain to Tom Shiflett they believed the boy needed medical treatment after observing injuries including a "huge hematoma" and a sluggish pupil. They offered to pay for treatment, and said they would have to obtain a court order for treatment if they couldn't get Shiflett's consent, the warrant says.

Mike
 
I wonder if any real men quit that SWAT team to join another SWAT team that's set up to fight dangerous crime. I hope everybody involved is embarrassed that their training led to this candy land operation. If not, I guess they got their jollies worth in the land of make believe.
 
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Apparently the doctors did not see the injuries or symptoms that the paramedics claimed. Considering that the paramedics are not doctors, Their opinion means far less than the fathers who took the actions that in his best opinion were suitable.

Considering the raid did not occur until a full day after the incident, if the injury had been that bad, the kid would have already been dead.

Hmm, lets go point live weapons at the heads of several children in the name of second guessing a parent's right to choose the medical care his children recieve.

This could have been handled far better than it was by the PD and the swat team. The swat team comes off acting like JBTs in this story.
 
AS an EMT when we get someone that doesn't want to go in we just have them sign a waiver saying "we told you so" and then leave.

Its nobody else's business how we raise our kids.
 
I've listened to this host before and she seems to be almost as far out there as Fred Phelps.

Man, that's taking THR :rolleyes:

Maybe if we could have some more religious bashing? :banghead:

Or people could just use the info and do some good instead of complaining.
 
I don't work in for social services or the police, so I'm not completely versed in how this stuff works. Let's assume the kid was hurt, the parents were utterly clueless, and something "had to be done." Why can't paramedics or a social worker show up with a pair of deputies or officers? It takes a SWAT team and their battering ram?

Seems like trying to cauterize a wound with a flamethrower. It may work, but the end result may not be so pretty.
 
When he gets the medical bill he can foward it to the police dept.:scrutiny:
 
I wonder if any real men quit that SWAT team to join another SWAT team that's set up to fight dangerous crime. I hope everybody involved is embarrassed that their training led to this candy land operation. If not, I guess they got their jollies worth in the land of make believe.

OH MY GOD!

Their SWAT training didn't lead to this operation, it was a nutjob who taunted civil authority with violence if they sought a court order. We can argue all day whether the order was proper or not, but you don't tell them to bring an army and expect them to show up with flowers and chocolate.

Some of you people need to get a grip and realize that sometimes law enforcement has to deal unkindly with people who defy the law.
 
Well, let's see, from a Monday morning Quarterback stance.

If the Paramedics had seen something immedialtey or truly potentially life threatening, they could have gotten Law Enforcement involved sooner. The report states that the "caseworkers" were the people who diagnosed and filed the report for the warrant. Were these caseworkers medically trained at all? Were they Nurses, or Social Workers from HRS, DCF, whatever shild protective service there is in that state?

From reading this report, it appears to be a clear case of abuse of powers, BUT! it may only be part of the story.

No, the paramedics are not Doctors, they are trained however in a high level of skill in identifing and treating potentially life threatening injuries. Yes, if the boy were actually injured in the manner that was described, there is a very great possibility that he would be seriously brain damaged or even dead by the time SWAT was called in.

I am a Registered Nurse working with a Trauma team. Also, a previous Paramedic and for 10 years, I was a combat medic(Corpsman, IDC) with the Marines. I know the training that each of them possess and the skills and abilities of both.

Somebody made alot of mistakes and it was allowed to snowball.
 
Concur.....

As a former EMT, one of the aspects of our training is the medico-legal aspects of EMS.

Sounds like whoever provided the information to the Judge who issued the warrant sold him a bill of goods, expecially since the "injury" only required ice and Tylenol. If I were the judge, I'd be chewing out some butt right about now.
 
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