Swede Mauser, K-31, or M-39?

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I've been doing a bit of research, and these appear to be the best of the mil-surps. I'm trying to decide which to acquire first. They all have advantages and drawbacks, but I'm not too concerned as they are all top-notch. Also, I won't be able to buy it until I get back from Iraq so any current sales are kinda irrelevant.

I'm looking for a rifle that could be used for plinking and target shooting, but that would also be useful for hunting. I'm wondering if any of these models made before the Jan 1, 1899 cutoff for antiques are still available? Hmm, let's go in order.

Swede Mauser:
Good: All are very accurate, the target models have excellent sights, the M-38's are shorter and lighter, the M-96's were made from 1893, excellent steel, and the 6.5x55 is an awesome cartridge.
Bad: I'm concerned about the durability of the match sights on the target models, I've heard they are poorly balanced for offhand shooting, they are small ring models (although this has never really seemed like a big deal), and no cheap surplus/Wolf.

K-31:
Good: super accurate, smooth and fast straight pull design, detachable mag fed, well balanced, excellent manufacturing, 7.5x55 Swiss is another wonderful cartridge, and GP-11 is just about the most accurate issue ball ever.
Bad: complicated bolt, have to buy extra mags, 7.5 not produced by Wolf yet, GP11 drying up, wood furniture often in bad shape, and none were made before 1899.

M-39:
Good: most history of the three choices, accurate, reliable, 7.62x54R is accurate and widely available, and spare parts are more widely available.
Bad: not as match grade accurate as the others, bolt is awkward and slow, and the trigger is not as good as the K-31's I've tried.

So, any thoughts? Are those valid points, or am I way off? Like I've said I love all three rifles and plan on getting all three eventually, it's just a matter of which comes first.
 
You might add that both the K31 and the MN 91 have horribly awkward safeties. The M38 Swede is a light, trim rifle with a traditional Mauser safety.

I have an M96 Swede sporterized by Kimber. I love it -- but I'd like to find a classic, drop-in walnut stock for it.
 
I'm biased. I love the Swede Mausers, and the 6.5x55 cartridge is a peach. The M38 in particular is very good and for my purposes, much better than the M96. The target model is the CG63. The CG63's are excellent, but they are getting very hard to find and quite expensive. For that matter, M38's aren't cheap, either. Good ones are now going for $400 and up. You can buy any number of K31's or Russkies for that price.
 
The Swedes are already the highest priced and will only get higher. If you can find a good one, I'd get it first. The Finns are going to get more scarce, and higher priced quickly, I think.

Right now, I think the K-31 is the best value of the three, as far as quality of rifle is concerned. Ammo availability is the only drawback to the K-31 and if you reload, that won't be a big deal.
 
SWEDE! SWEDE! SWEDE! SWEDE! SWEDE!

I love the Swede. A beautiful, classic looking gun. Cartridge is my favorite, no WSSSSSSM's for me, I'll take my 6.5. Haven't played with a target model, but it is not unheard of on here for people to be using them for hi-power competitions. As well made as the Swede guns are, I'd have a hard time believeing their target sights are junk.

Small ring Mauser makes no difference, there is a comparison somewhere, and the small ring Mausers are about the same size as current commercial guns. Especially with the 6.5, you will ave no problem

Ammo: surplus is expensive, but it probably has the best commercial variety of the three. And it is tame on my end, hard hitting on the other end.

Are the extra magazines for the K-31 expensive/hard to find?
The Swiss made one mag per gun.
 
Are the extra magazines for the K-31 expensive/hard to find?

Yes. If you're lucky, they're $5 or $10 less than an entire rifle (well that may be exaggerating some, but you get the idea - the mag is the bulk of the value). But since they load from stripper clips, you don't need an extra mag! I've got about 15 strippers -they're kinda flimsy, made from cardboard & aluminum on the corners, but they work.

I'd say get first, whichever one you can find the best deal on. Since K31s are cheap right now, I'd go that route. Or, OTOH, perhaps it makes more sense to get a swede before the price goes up any more. I think SamCo Global still has some swedes for sale.
 
Swedes are $$$, as has been pointed out. I can remember seeing them for half their current price even five years ago. The M-39's are also getting more expensive, though other Finns such as M-27's, M-28's and M-28/30's are sky-rocketing in value. You can still find them mis-marked as Russians going for $100 if you know what to look for.

The K-31's aren't going to be getting more expensive for a few years anyway. The true Schmidt-Rubins, however, including the M-1911 and the 96/11 are already shooting up in price. They're even better than the K-31's in some respects.

Any of them would be excellent shooters. It comes down to what you prefer, I think.
 
My favorite hunting MilSurp is my Chilean 1895 Mauser in 7x57. Commercial ammo is readily available, and many of these rifles are available paperless. I have several handloads that will shoot just under MOA with this rifle.

Don't overlook the Enfields - they're very reliable field rifles that use a round suitable for all but the nastiest of beasties. A post-war No4Mk1/2 would be a fine basis for a plinker/hunting rifle...
 
I own all 3, a Swede M96, a Finnish M39 VKT, and a couple Swiss K31s. All 3 are great, but the Swede has to be the best hands down. 2nd place definitely goes to the M39. The K31s are nice accurate rifles, but the 6.5x55 caliber is incredible.
 
I was mainly interested in hands on advice about how they handle, their balance, the sights in the field...

The Swiss has the best balance, especially in offhand, compared to the other 2, due to the shorter length.

I shot the Swede M96 CMP Vintage rifle competition and it worked fine in prone, but offhand is ok, but if there's a crosswind, that long 29" barrel is going to be swaying. But, the problem I had with the K31 was in the prone position using a M1 web sling, the tension of the sling caused severe POI shifts.

All three use the standard combat blade sight.
 
The Swede is a nice gun, but for hunting it may pay to reload your own. The Swiss is also accurate, but I'm not sure you can chamber a round as quietly as a "normal" bolt action. I hunt in the southern part of Michigan, where we're limited to shotguns or black powder. I gotta get Up North some year. :)

Some Swedes come already tapped for a "target" rear sight. The sights don't seem fragile, the "Pramm" brand holds its zero well even after bouncing in the trunk in a soft case.

Regards.

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Swede!
-easy to feed with easy to find swedish strippers.
-very accurate, almost without exception.
-sight graduation starts at 300 meters, but one can easily obtain a taller front sight.
Of the 2 I have, my 1899 shoulders and balances very well, and is easy to shoot standing. A later model feels a little different to me, I think they changed the angle of the buttplates between the Oberndorf and Carl Gustav makes.

K-31
-Obscenely cheap for the quality you get.
-These balance very well for me.
-Buy two, that way you have a spare magazine (you can only shoot one rifle at a time) Buy two more, then you have a a spare magazine for each of the first two rifles ;)
-Very well made diptor sights and scope mounts are readily available (though expensive :eek: )
-rifle will shoot to point of aim at 100 yards
-A better trigger on a milsurp, or even a lot of current production rifles, you won't find

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Well I'd vote for the K31, I have four of them and a relative has 5 of them. :D Especially if you want to hunt with it, it is very well balanced, the stocks are usually already beat to hell anyways so no worries about damaging it. Sound of the bolt closing? You'll already have one in the chamber to start with and follow-ups are super fast. Probably slightly more punch than the 6.5 cartridge. Heck you'll eventually get all three, but the Swede's and the m39 are so nice and getting so rare, you probably don't want to have them get knocked around much. ;) BTW Thank you so much for your service to our country, and know that myself and millions more are thinking of ya'll and hold all of you in high honor. :)
 
I vote for the K31.

The action is smooth and fast. Rifle handles really well. I actually find the bolt easy to work with and disassemble.

For that matter, I think I'll go pick up another today.
 
swede 96 all the way, best shooting gun I have ever owned. But my eyes can`t see the sights anymore so will end up selling it when I can get a good price.
 
swede 96 all the way, best shooting gun I have ever owned. But my eyes can`t see the sights anymore so will end up selling it when I can get a good price.

I was fortunate with mine -- I got a Kimber-sporterized rifle. So mine is scoped and ready to hunt, and I don't have to go through the agony of "should I sporterize or not?"
 
I would go with the K31, recently on a hot day, tired and sweating to beat the band I was able to empty the mag into a group I could cover with my hand. This was off-hand from 50+ yards, not sniper grade but very good.

I have a Swede also. Great gun but a bit longer and more money.

The K31 for $100 is a deal. You can buy a ton of ammo for the price difference and shoot till you know it like you want :D
 
Swede very nice, K-31 Swiss watch quality,M39 crude design but lovable. I load for all three.................Essex
 
Doggone it! I went in today to pick up the K31, the one I wanted had sold. Now I have to wait a few days for its replacement to come it.

I'm telling you, these things are a bargain and they won't be this economical forever.
 
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