Swiss-made CZ75

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Folks have not heard much, if at all, of this extremely rare-version of the CZ-75. A very small number of CZ-75's were actually made in Switzerland. They were made by ITM in Solothurn, but it the relationship between CZ and ITM soured. ITM took the remainder of their materials and produced the original AT-84 for a brief while. When their stocks ran out, they procured parts from Tanfoglio and began producing the AT-84S model. The original AT-84 is literally a Swiss CZ because, well, there was the original Swiss CZ75.

The Swiss CZ-75 ranks as one of the rarest variants of the 75 made, being made in far fewer numbers than the original short-frame versions.

Here are pics of mine. Also shown is an original, not Tanfoglio, AT-84 that came in with the recent batch of CZ-75's from Israel. The Israelis love the platform, and have used Tanfoglio's and CZ's for decades.
 

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Other than the platform are there any other connections to the Swiss made Sphinx pistols?
 
Mine was imported by Basauka in Montana. My AT-84 was produced in 1984, ditto for my 75, so as far as I can tell, they were made prior to Action Arms' importation. AA did import CZ-75's as well as AT-84S's. When AA went under, Magnum Research imported CZ-75's (and Baby Eagles and ASAI One Pro's) until CZ-USA arrived.

Sphinx is the evolution of ITM but not exactly the same company. Think of it kind of like Springfield Armory, INC, is the evolution of Springfield Armory, Inc. The original company went bankrupt (and so the P9 and FAL's died off) and the new company exists (all of this referring to the private SA Inc, not the government arsenal closed during Kennedy).
 
The Swiss CZ is the real deal. It has the CZ factory papers etc. CZ-USA is wrong on this one. CZ-USA did not exist at the time. CZ-UB did not even exist at the time as a name, all production was by AGROZET National Enterprise at Uhersky Brod (Agrozet was the government enterprise that produced the CZ-75, among many, many, other things, when the state-owned Precision Machine-Tooling Co., Uherský Brod was merged with it in 1983. The arms production became CZ-UB upon privatization). The CZ logo was retained and used for small arms.

The numbered paperwork, including the target, are labled "Producer: Presne Strojirenstvi Uhersky Brod" I have everything, including the labeled Engineering Inspection sheet and the test target is the real target that was shot, not a printout. The pistol is fully proofed and dated.

Remember, CZ-USA also did not exist nor were they part of the communist business arrangements made at the time.

The book "The CZ-75 Family" by J. M. Ramos was published in 1990, several years before CZ-USA was established, used as its source Action Arms, the CZ importer in 1990, as well as Agrozet itself , which was CZ-UB as it was known at the time. Also sourced was ITM as well as Tanfoglio (and FIE and Excam, both of which were still in existence). Basauka was the importer at the time, and they legitimately imported CZ-75 pistols. Merkuria was the export arm of Agrozet during communist days. The book was published just as the 75b was being developed, initially as the CZ-90. The final designation, capitalizing on the 75 pedigree, was to be CZ75b.

According to Agrozet and ITM, (remember, this is CZ-UB under communist direction), "The development of the AT-84 pistols series was undertaken by ITM in Solothurn, Switzerland. Through a joint venture with the Czech weapons factory and its export company, Merkuria, ITM was to produce the CZ-75 in its original configuration. For a short while the venture seemed to work well, but eventually the relationship deteriorated and ITM decided to break the partnership." (Ramos, JM, The CZ-75 Family: the ultimate combat handgun, 1990, Paladin Press, 62-64)

A small number of CZ-75's were made in Switzerland, proofed by CZ-UB, which was known by Agrozet, exported by Merkuria to the US, imported by Basauka.

Full information for the cited references who assisted with the information in the book specific to the Swiss CZ are:

Action Arms Limited
PO Box 9573
Philadelphia, PA 19124

Agrozet Knocernovy Podnik (CZ-UB)
Uhersky Brod, Czechoslovakia

Industrial Technology and Machinery (ITM)
Allmendstrasse 31B, Postfach 260
CH-4503 Solothurn, Switzerland

Factory identification history comes from CZUB.cz:

http://www.czub.cz/en/pages/116-history.aspx

I sure don't intend to trash CZ-USA, but that entity is an import company tied to CZ-UB currently. Nobody at CZ-USA was part of the arrangements made in the early 1980's by Communist Czechoslovakia, ITM, and Basauka in the US. All of this happened a decade before CZ-USA was organized. CZ went through two other importers after this arrangement and before setting up CZ-USA. Both Action Arms and Magnum Research were CZ importers after Basauka and before CZ-USA.

Remember, CZ-USA was never involved with the importation of the original CZ75. (The current 75b was originally called CZ-90 during the prototype stage incidentally). CZ-USA does not nor did they ever warrant the original 75. Indeed, CZ-USA does not have any official or legal responsibility to the CZ75 pistol.
 
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I had an AT84S. It was an okay gun. Nothing remarkable really. A few of the parts had suspicious wear on them indicating that they were a touch on the soft side. A CZ made on a good day with fresh tooling is a better gun.
 
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The AT-84S model was made from Tanfoglio.

The Swiss-made CZ-75 was built for CZ, marked CZ, proofed by CZ, and is not the same as the AT-84S. Regardless of what CZ-USA says, the CZ-75 cannot be a clone of itself.

The original AT-84 (no "S") was built from the CZ-spec parts. There is a physical difference between the AT-84 and the AT-84S.

The top AT-84 is entirely Swiss-made and is CZ-spec and is a true clone of the CZ-75. The bottom AT-84S is made from Tanfoglio parts and is more correctly a copy (or Tanfoglio-clone). These were generally imported by Action Arms. Original AT-84 pistols are scarce in the US, while AT-84S pistols are uncommon but available.
 

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I remember the AT-84S from back in he days when they were to top of the heap in Italian copies of the CZ. They were very popular in USPSA/IPSC shooting in the days before the advent of the STI and SVI frames.

The ultimate evolution of them is the current Sphinx pistols
 
I have a cZ75 made by Presni Strojirentsvi as well as an AT84. Both are very fine pistols and I like the elegent curve of the trigger guard. The triggers on both were excellent out of the box. Back in the 80s, a dealer was selling them for $175 each if you bought three or more. Still kick myslef over that.
 
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