T/C Contender vs. Encore

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The Contender and Encore seem so similar that I wonder what the difference is between them. What's the intended niche for each?

Also, what's the going price (in general) for new, longer-barreled ones, say .223, 14" or so?
 
Basically, the Encore is a more robust version of the Contender. There are some important internal improvements in it, that have been added to the G2 also.
The Encore can handle high power rifle cartridges in the 65,000 psi class, plus 12 ga. shotgun barrels. The Contender is limited to the low-mid pressure rifle rounds, .223, 30-30, 35 Rem., 45-70, etc. The Encore can handle the .454, and .500 S&W mag with ease. The Encore is a little heavier, has a beefier grip, but not as good of a trigger as the Contender. IMHO...
 
Mbartel pretty much nailed it. If you are looking for a pistol, the G2 is probably going to work better for you due to its lighter weight and the fact that its chamberings aren't overly much for a pistol. If you're thinking that you'd probably keep it in rifle configuraiton more than pistol, then the Encore is your baby.
 
Configuration?

"Configuration"? You mean the same receiver can be used as either a rifle or a pistol? I thought there were laws against that. Both appeal to me, though I'm looking for a pistol at the moment.

Thanks for your help.
 
You can have it with a pistol barrel, but don't have the stock on it. If you have a rifle length barrel, then you can do either. If the ATF catches you with the Stock on it with a pistol barrel, then they charge you with having a SBR.
 
I have two original Contender frames and a handful of barrels, and I'd never consider a G2 or Encore. If you want high-pressure cartridges, the Encore is what you want, but its trigger is simply awful. An original Contender frame will have a much better trigger. I have one of my frames tuned into a target configuration for silhouette shooting, and the other one is used as a hunting frame with a .44 magnum barrel on it. They both function perfectly and have lived through more than any firearm reasonably should have had to.
 
I've heard that again and again about Encore triggers. I don't feel it, but then again I just don't think I'm sensitive to that; I can't tell much difference between my Mosins and my K31.
 
You can have it with a pistol barrel, but don't have the stock on it. If you have a rifle length barrel, then you can do either. If the ATF catches you with the Stock on it with a pistol barrel, then they charge you with having a SBR.
The BATF is kinda picky about this. In addition to what Crosshair said you need to know that the gun must be purchased as a pistol in order to legally make it into a rifle. You can not buy a rifle and then convert it into a pistol without it being considered a SBR and subject to the taxes etc.
 
Okay then here's the plan. Buy an Encore pistol with a 15" barrel, have a gunsmith put on an inch long muzzle brake and have him do a trigger job, then mount a stock at will.
 
Okay then here's the plan. Buy an Encore pistol with a 15" barrel, have a gunsmith put on an inch long muzzle brake and have him do a trigger job, then mount a stock at will.

Or... you could buy a Contender/Encore frame (which is a pistol receiver by law) and then buy a rifle barrel for the sucker wherever you want, like eBay for instance.
 
Or... you could buy a Contender/Encore frame (which is a pistol receiver by law)
Not precisely true. If you buy a bare frame, the BATF considers the firearm to be whatever configuration you first built it as. Best to buy/build a pistol first.
 
According to Thompson Center, ALL contenders are pistol frames, I talked to them about that. Also, the Contenders have the movable firing pin allowing them to shoot both rim fire and center fire rounds, the Encore is center fire only.
 
"Configuration"? You mean the same receiver can be used as either a rifle or a pistol? I thought there were laws against that. Both appeal to me, though I'm looking for a pistol at the moment.

Some years back, T/C sold a set with a rifle stock, pistol stock, two barrels and one frame. BATF went after them. The case went to the Supreme Court (as I recall) and one of the justices asked BATF if any crime had ever been committed with these highly expensive, single shot weapons. BATF had to admit they had no knowledge any such crime and T/C won the case.
 
I do not disagree that T/C considers the frame a pistol but the ATF doesn't care what T/C considers the frame. They are interested in the configuration it shipped as or, if a bare frame, the confiuguration it was first built as. That question has been put to the ATF and their response was as I indicated.

As to the T/C lawsuit, it established the legality of converting a pistol to a rifle, not the other way around. It was brought when T/C first released their Carbine kit for the Contender pistol.
 
41, Your posts don't make sense, how is ATF going to know which barrel I installed on the frame first? How about if I buy a used Contender pistol, how do I (or ATF) know if it's first barrel was a pistol or carbine length? Most of all do you really think that ATFE actually has the time or inclination to worry about the length of the barrel originally installed on a Contender? I think you are inventing a problem.
 
This subject has been just about beat to death. You want to know the law? Contact the BATF and they'll be more than happy to tell you. Each frame leaves T/C designated a rifle or pistol, a call to T/C can tell you which yours is. According to the BATF (you know, the guys who actually enforce this silly things) putting a pistol barrel on a frame designated by serial number as a rifle frame is in violation of the law. But as I was told by my local agent, "Do you think we have time to go around and check serial numbers on single shot pistols? I wish I had that kind of time on my hands."
As far as the Encore/Contender thing goes, you can get a 375 JDJ barrel for the contender that will anchor anything God saw fit to put on this continent. I've seen 460wthby Encore pistols for those of you really into pain.
 
Well OKI. I called Thompson Center, asked them if they could tell me by my contender's serial number if it left the factory as a pistol or carbine. Their reply was "All contender frames were pistols". What more can I say?
 
You can go to www.eabco.com and get an idea on the price of new barrels.

You can also check ebay for a barrel. They tend to go for a lot more than you would think but they are a popular gun.

I have an encore and the trigger is excellent. A lot of people shoot the contenders from a bench only and they like very light triggers. I think any trigger under three pounds is a potential liability to a field weapon. Your mileage may vary. I only use my encore for small game and hunting.

You can tweak the encore trigger down to as light as you want. I think light triggers are over rated.

The very cool and addictive thing about either the contender or the encore is that your next rifle or pistol is just one barrel away:)
 
Here is a quote from a person that contacted the ATF:

From Gonhuntin's post on Bellms website:

Not long after buying my first Contender, I also became interested in Title 2 firearms (commonly known as "class 3 weapons" or NFA weapons). As I researched the laws pertaining to title 2 firearms, specifically the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act of 1968, I also learned of the TC Supreme Court case. I read everything I could find about the case. About this same time, I was a
member of the old "TC List", an e-mail discussion group centered on the TC Contender. While participating on this list, the topic of converting Contenders between rifle and pistol configuration often came up, one member even publicly reported shooting his 14" 309 JDJ Contender with a butt stock attached! These discussions also were commonplace on the various handgun forums. As I participated in these discussions, I was often attacked for mentioning the laws that
prohibit the conversion of rifles into pistols. I was told that the TC court case had somehow exempted the Contender from the law, I was also told that all TCs were legally handguns despite how they left the factory, and I was told that it didn't matter how they left the factory as long as the dealer listed the firearm as a pistol when the paperwork was done. I knew that all these "explanations" were simply not true. I had actually taken the time to read and research the TC court case, and I had actually read the National Firearms Act and the Gun Control Act of 1968.

Years went by and the discussions continued. I was called a liar, stupid and many other things that weren't quite as complimentary.

Finally, in 2003, I wrote a letter to the BATF Technology
Branch in Washington DC. The Technology Branch is the division of the BATF who's job is to determine the legality of firearms. They are the folks you contact when you want an answer to a legal or technical question concerning firearms and they answer the question with reference to the specific laws that apply. If you don't like their answer, the next step is to file a court action.

The response I received from the Technology Branch confirmed what I had said all along (the original letter I wrote and the BATF response are posted on this forum and available for you to read).

1. A firearm that left TC in rifle configuration (equipped with a
butt stock) *IS* legally a rifle and is subject to all rules and
regulations pertaining to rifles.

2.It is NOT legal to convert a rifle into pistol configuration
without first registering it with the BATF as a Title 2 weapon,
(short barreled rifle).

3. The legal status of a TC, whether rifle or pistol, is based on the configuration of the firearm when it leaves the factory.

4. The legal status of a frame that left the factory with no other parts (bare frame without stock or grips) is determined by the way it is FIRST assembled. If it is first assembled as a rifle, it will always legally be a rifle, if first assembled as a pistol, it will always legally be a pistol.

5. A dealer cannot change the legal status of a firearm by listing a rifle as a handgun on the form 4473. Listing an Encore rifle as a pistol on the 4473 does not alter the fact that it is and will always legally be a rifle.

6. A person who buys a Contender or Encore that was illegally
converted from a rifle to a pistol can be prosecuted for possession of an unregistered Title 2 weapon.....*EVEN IF THAT PERSON DID NOT KNOW THE WEAPON WAS ILLEGALLY CONVERTED*!!! (a call to TC with the serial number of the frame will determine whether it is legally a rifle or pistol)

In the event you get caught and are prosecuted, the penalty
for possession of an unregistered Title 2 weapon is up to 10 years in prison and up to $250,000 in fines. Even if you aren't convicted, it would cost a small fortune to defend yourself in court, and don’t expect TC to pay your legal expenses and fines or serve your time if you lose.

Even if the chance of getting caught is remote, is it worth the risk when you can buy a $250 pistol frame and not worry about it?

As to whether or not the AFT would bother chasing after an individual.....who knows, I'd rather not be the test case on it. What is really alarming to me is their statement about prosecuting if even the person was aware that someone else had done an illegal conversion and then sold the gun as a pistol.

Lets look at another example. Remington used to make a pistol call the XP100. It was a bolt action single shot that was first released in 221 Fireball and then later in 223 and 7BR. The same action was used in the old model 600 rifles. Using some of the logic presented here, it would be legal to chop off the barrel of the model 600 and stick a XP stock on it.....NOT. Just because it is easy to do so on a Contender/Encore doesn't make it legal in the ATF's eyes.

All this is really hokie and a pain in the butt but it is what is is
 
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