TA01NSN ACOG on M4 carbine

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I received this scope a couple weeks back and have since put it through the paces.
All I can say is wow!,
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The more I use this scope the more I understand why the military are choosing these things in various configurations as standard issue.

The optics are crystal clear no matter the light conditions, the eye relief is excellent, the reticle is useful and properly regulated and the mount platform will stand up to hard use.

This variation comes with back up iron sights installed on the scope itself.
I though this set-up would be cheesy but in practice they work quite well for shooting out to 50 meters on silhouettes.
The front iron comes with a green tritium dot installed and this is about my only complaint with the scope.
In darkness, this tritium dot is so bright that it looks like a nightlight and can be spotted at the right angle from 30 meters away, this needs to be dimmer.
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These scopes aren't cheap but then again what quality product is anymore.
If you are into AR15 rifles, this is an accessory you should seriously consider and with so many options available on these scopes, you are sure to find one that will meet your needs.
http://www.trijicon.com
 
Nice rifle! I like the utilitarian set-up a lot. Everything you need and nothing you don't.

I've always liked these scopes and if I had a flat-top upper and $1k laying around (who ever does?), I would pick one up in a heartbeat.

One question though, how does the reticle work? From what I understand it is a rangefinding AND bullet drop compensating design.

Thanks.
 
I'm still going to go with my Eotech 511 and my 3x FTS magnifier. However, when I get my second, third, and probably fourth and fifth AR-15s (within the next year), I may rotate between Eotechs and ACOGs. Would you mind telling me, in your own words, what makes the ACOG a better (at least similar) choice when compared to the Eotech?


Can you mount it further forward to allow for use of the flip-up rear-sights? Do they cowitness through the optic's tube with the front-sights? If not, can you flip the ACOG out of the way in an emergency or do a quick dismount via some function to allow for immediate/near immediate use of the irons?

Thanks
 
Shung - Damn you and your nice Swiss ranges! I've heard about the gun clubs over there and how great they are!


Can you guys shoot out to 600 yards effectively with those sights? I would think there wouldn't be any reason that it would hinder, but I thought I read something to that effect. It could have been some bs forum chatter somewhere (most likely).

Anyways, which sights, eo-tech or ACOG, would be more effective for distance shooting?
 
I would say, right away, without the magnifier, ACOG definitely wins for distance. However, with the ACOG, you suffer the loss of a fair bit of side vision as it is tubular rather than box shaped. The Aimpoint has the same problem. EOTECH is better for quick shots in very close quarters.

With the 3x or 4x magnifier, particularly FTS (Flip-To-Side) versions, the Eotech has a distance ability that I'd wager would at least be on par with an ACOG.
 
to tell the truth.. I never tried yet.. Since our ranges usually stop at 300meters...

They are a few places a could try 600yards, and up to more than 1000, but never went there yet.

Anyway, I guess that 300-400 is already a great distance for a standard 69grains 5.56mm cartridge like ours. more would become approximative.

this is my usual range :

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ps: I also have an eotech 553 with a 3x aimpoint magnifier. Works also great... but for some strange reason, at 300m, I feel better with the ACOG

look for Bernex, (1233) Switzerland in google map
 
Very nice! Thanks for the write up. I am contemplating getting one myself.

BTW, how did this turn into an "Eotech v. Acog" thread and why would someone post pics of their M4 with an Eotech in this thread (complete with goofy light switch wire hanging off the front that would snag on everything)? :barf:
 
He's like some Glock guys - EoTech is the answer to any question.

One big advantage of the ACOG over the EoTech is the batteries, or lack thereof. They can't go dead at inopportune times. And I'm not sure what you're talking about with the "side vision." If it is real and not made-up (which I think it is), wouldn't you suffer the same problem with the magnifier? I've never had a problem with much longer riflescopes seeing the whole picture.
 
onmillo, looks like a good setup to me. i love my acog.

lonestar, dunno... i suspect that poster is guilty of PWI (posting while intoxicated). they are certainly not paying attention to the OP. it's the weekend. it happens. :)
 
Rubber Duck, you can hit the link on the bottom of my post.
The website explains every single reticle they offer.
The SF ACOG does act as a rangefinder and a drop compensator.
 
My ACOG TA31F is by far my most favorite optic ever. The day I got it was the day that my AR15 became about 10x more fun to shoot.

I own/have owned an eotech 512(no magnifier though), an aimpoint comp m2 and an ACOG TA31F and my ACOG is BY FAR my favorite. While my eotech is like playing halo, I have no problem whatsoever running CQB drills w/o a hindrance with my ACOG.

The iron sights are interesting on that thing...I'm not quite sure if I like that or not.

I have an ARMS #19 quick detach for my ACOG and an ARMS #40L BUIS.

BTW, how did this turn into an "Eotech v. Acog" thread and why would someone post pics of their M4 with an Eotech in this thread (complete with goofy light switch wire hanging off the front that would snag on everything)?
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LOL!!!
 
Thank goodness! I thought the topic line said "ACOG on M44 carbine."

I thought Ash and company had finally gone over the edge with the whole Mosin Nagant thing.

Nice rifle and scope.

SOme time before 9/11 Infantry magazine ran an article on designated marksmen and the ACOG was their scope of choice even then.

Shung,

Nice range. Long ago I belonged to a "European gun club"" while stationed in Neu Ulm, FRG. Can't rember the German name of the club but seem to recall it trans lated to King's Privalaged Shooting Organization (1870) of Neu Ulm.

Oddly enough 35 years ago we did not have digital target monitors. ;-)

Great Club though and fantastic shooters always willing to teach or critic and most were happy to let some one take a shot or two with rifles they never saw at home.

Always regreated not making it to Your country and trying for an invitation at one of your clubs.

-Bob Hollingsworth
 
How do you suggest I take care of the cord? Wrap it down near the sling swivel area?

I just tucked it under my sling strap, I hadn't thought of that before. Now it is entirely out of the way. Yes, the cord came much too long, but it was the only size the company had.

I'm also not planning on my OA being a jungle or a thicket, so I wouldn't think there'd be many things for it to get caught on, as they'd have to be at chest/shoulder level in the middle of a house. But anyway, I tucked it safely under the sling strap.
 
Google 'hundred mile an hour tape'
It will take care of the floppy cord.

May I make a couple of suggestions for your vertical grip?
SOG produces a graphite VFG that is shorter and a whole lot lighter than that Yankee Hill folder you have on there, it is impressed with a design similar to steel tread track and provides a much better gripping surface.
Command Arms offers a VFG with a flashlight attachment point, you could get rid of the cord and the bolt on barrel mount and use the standard momentary thumb switch, plus you could attach a bayonet if you so desired.
Buffer Technology offers a stubby VFG for even more weight savings and it dosn't stick down so far that it hangs up like other vertical foregrips but like the SOG, there is no light attachment point.

All of these VFGs are available through Brownells;
http://www.brownells.com

I personally use a SOG VFG when I bolt the KAC rail guards on my M4. HTH
 
I am looking for a vertical grip that folds (ideally), but if so, it should fold in such a fashion that it is spring loaded and does not need to be screwed/unscrewed to get it into place. I'd also like it to hold at least two AA batteries.

As for the grip with the light in it, I've seen that and I don't like the idea. Plus my light, as it is (I am open to going a quad-rail approach with the handguards and bringing the light back, thus ditching the barrel mount) is so bright that it temporarily blinds people when I hit them in the face with it (I tried this on my dad and my best-friend and both agreed that I blinded them).


Oh- You were talking about just a grip with a light attachment point in it, yes? Not the one where they actually have the light already in it and thus you're locked in with the light they selected, right? I'll look into that.

I'm not much for the idea of a bayonet, but I'd really like to consider a sound suppressor and/or grenade launcher, and would like to know what the best way to go about that is (not asking from a legal perspective ie- class III transfer, etc). Rather I mean, how do I go about keeping a vertical grip while having an M203 on there. If it is workable, I'll go out and start the paperwork and finger-print crap soon. Although maybe I best just ought to stick with the suppressor idea, and forget the launcher?
 
And Jimmie, no I'm not like some Glock guys, Eotech is not always the answer. If I was going to use a 7.62mm NATO battle rifle, for medium distance engagements with possible short-range, I'd probably ACOG it. However, the Eotech is best overall in close quarters combat, and you have a wider field of view (not true when the magnifier is flipped into place, but just with the Eotech alone, you do).

As for Glocks, I'll take my M9 Beretta over any Glock, any day of the week.
 
Ok, so since this thread is going all over the place I gotta ask where I can learn more about the digital target monitor in Shung's post. I tried googling “digital target monitor” and “target monitor” with no luck. Just curious, I always thought it would be cool to set up a remote camera to view distant targets but I was completely unaware anything like the monitor in Shung's pic existed.

Incidentally, I have a new EOTech 512 on my 16” RRA and a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40 on my 20” Bushy, someday I'd like to put an ACOG on something... budget allowing.
 
Ok, so since this thread is going all over the place I gotta ask where I can learn more about the digital target monitor in Shung's post. I tried googling “digital target monitor” and “target monitor” with no luck. Just curious, I always thought it would be cool to set up a remote camera to view distant targets but I was completely unaware anything like the monitor in Shung's pic existed.
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its the "polytronic" system, which equip all of our military ranges.

A lot of microphones triangulate the impact point sound around the target, to perfectly localize it on target, and than show you this on the monitor.

It even identify your own shooting, so that even if you hit your buddy target (next to you) it won't give him any result.. since it would calculate the time from BANG on your range, and the impact, on YOUR range.

this is a view of my usual range, from inside:

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http://www.asdsource.com/source_detail_small/6094/Polytronic_International_AG.htm
 
Not me, I am a K.I.S.S. sort of guy.
Folding VFGs just offer something else that will break or stop working the way it was intended.
This is the same reason I choose Trijicon stuff over battery operated optics.
Tritium lets you know it is going bad long before you get into the middle of something and realize it really has gone bad.
Use the search engine @ Brownells website and type in stock number 100-003-382 for details on the CAA flashlight grip adapter.

My only battery powered accessory is a G2 Nitrolon flashlight mounted directly to the rail with a Weaver Extreme duty aluminum scope ring and I don't often use this set-up.

Even my reflex sight is a Trijicon and I will upgrade this sight to the new 42mm objective version in the near future.
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I have backup iron sights (flip up rear sight) and if my optic fails or the batteries die it isn't a catastrophe as I know how to use my irons. I'm not concerned about batteries failing/dying as I carry three spare sets in my pack, and I also am good with the irons.

As for my VFG idea, I don't like a permanent grip sticking out and interfering with crawling or resting the weapon on something such as a pack or a sandbag.

So I suppose there are pros/cons it just comes down to personal preference. I personally won't ever get a fixed front grip.
 
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