Jetplane19
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- May 27, 2010
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Hi All - I just need to vent.
I may be wrong, I may be right. If you can relate as a student, instructor; positive, or negative, that would be great.
I'm a 38yo guy that's been interested in CCW for a year or so. I joined a reputable outdoors club almost a year ago to get more practice - and to avoid the pay-by-the-hour public indoor ranges.
I got my CCW permit about 5 weeks ago, and I was very prepared with the right carry guns that work for me and their respective holsters. Having the gear that already works for me, I'm a believer in spending my money on training instead of more gear. Therefore, I was excited to register for the Tactical Pistol Class offered by my club. The instructor "BOB" is said to be a key instructor for many local LEO depts.
5 hour class
$100
Class-day arrives. I'm very excited. I show up 15 min early to the outdoor range. $100 check in hand, gun, ammo, holster, pen, notebook, etc.
There are 5 guys there already. (I see I was the last to show up). Guys are in a group, looking over each others' firearms. I unpack at the bench, taking it all in. 5 min later, one of the guys walks up to my stuff, picks up my pistol, breaks it down in 1.5 seconds and inspects it. I said, "uh, Hi, I assume you're the instructor?"
"Yep", he said, "and I'm also a certified *@#$% armorer. Looks like yours has no mods. Good. I always look out for that" ...[snap / crackle / pop] ...and my gun is back together again. He then pulls out a few of his own guns to do the snap/crackle/pop & show me how fast he can work the action & tell me some ins & outs about them. ho hum.
The other 4 guys seem to all know each other. I introduce myself all around. Life is OK, I guess. We take turns to haul the targets out of the shed. BOB starts setting things up. A big blue 60gal drum here, a big bucket there, a few chairs over yonder, etc.
By now, it is 1 hour into the 5hr class.
Some Snap Caps are passed out. We load them into our mags and practice some close range left-knee and right-knee misfire / slap / rack / fire drills.
OK, Cool! we're finally getting somewhere!
Next, we swap out some of the Snap Caps for some live ammo.
Standing, every misfire from the Snap Cap results in a slap / rack / fire.
Nice, I've learned how to quickly clear problems in a hurry.
We take a break. 2 hours elapsed.
Next, BOB decides to discuss knives and OC spray. 30 min go by to explain the OC spray only he can get as an LEO and how awful it was to get sprayed with it back in basic training. Who cares? :banghead:
Then a vehicle pulls up to the range. Exit 3 females. Momma bear and two 20something daughters. All have the Pat Benatar look going for them with fancy tight logo clothing and cases of pistols ready to go they just bought a few days ago.
30 min go by as the guys, BOB, and the girls chit chat (OK, so they know each other).
We begin the main drill. Each shooter busting through the course like an IDPA match. OK, neat, never did that before. We did that 3 times each. Fun. 2 hours to go.
Uh Oh, one girl's brand new pink gun is jamming. BOB takes 30 min to work with it.
They all chit chat, I sit there. It is about 1 hour near quitting time. I ask if we are going to do anything else here (?????) BOB replies, "I just have to diagnose this problem."
HELLO???? DID THESE PEOPLE PAY TO TAKE THIS CLASS??? NO.
I ask again what's next. BOB asks me, "what would you like to work on?" I said, "dude. This is your class. I'm a total rookie. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO WORK ON. I came here to learn. You must have a syllabus or something (?)." He works with me 1 on 1 for 15 min while the others chit chat.
30 min left to go.
One guy opens his trunk and pulls out some sweet tactical rifles as I walk by. His buddy holds it in awe, and muzzle-sweeps the entire group of people. I rolled my eyes.
BOB discusses used minivans and motorcycles with 1 of the guys for 15 min.
15min left to go.
Mr. Tactical says to BOB, "we done? should we get out the automatics?"
BOB replies, "Sure! The RO left the gate open for me to lock up so we can do whatever we want."
They proceeded to blow through some full-auto bursts while I packed up my stuff. As they were all gathering around Pat Benatar who was on her belly to teach her to shoot a machinge-gun prone, I told BOB that I'm outta here.
He said, "OK, well we'll have another one of these sessions next month ____ and ____ and ____"
I gave him the deer-in-headlights look and left.
Looks like I walked right into a good 'ol boy's club. <DARN> They all knew each other, they take that "class" often, as if money grows on trees. I'm pretty sure that BOB and the club RO are buddies, so I didn't mention anything at all. I just chalk it up as a little bit of new info that I learned and that's that.
From now on, I will not take any class that I don't get an honest face-to-face review. I had wasted about $75 of my $100, 4 of 5hr of my time. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I may be wrong, I may be right. If you can relate as a student, instructor; positive, or negative, that would be great.
I'm a 38yo guy that's been interested in CCW for a year or so. I joined a reputable outdoors club almost a year ago to get more practice - and to avoid the pay-by-the-hour public indoor ranges.
I got my CCW permit about 5 weeks ago, and I was very prepared with the right carry guns that work for me and their respective holsters. Having the gear that already works for me, I'm a believer in spending my money on training instead of more gear. Therefore, I was excited to register for the Tactical Pistol Class offered by my club. The instructor "BOB" is said to be a key instructor for many local LEO depts.
5 hour class
$100
Class-day arrives. I'm very excited. I show up 15 min early to the outdoor range. $100 check in hand, gun, ammo, holster, pen, notebook, etc.
There are 5 guys there already. (I see I was the last to show up). Guys are in a group, looking over each others' firearms. I unpack at the bench, taking it all in. 5 min later, one of the guys walks up to my stuff, picks up my pistol, breaks it down in 1.5 seconds and inspects it. I said, "uh, Hi, I assume you're the instructor?"
"Yep", he said, "and I'm also a certified *@#$% armorer. Looks like yours has no mods. Good. I always look out for that" ...[snap / crackle / pop] ...and my gun is back together again. He then pulls out a few of his own guns to do the snap/crackle/pop & show me how fast he can work the action & tell me some ins & outs about them. ho hum.
The other 4 guys seem to all know each other. I introduce myself all around. Life is OK, I guess. We take turns to haul the targets out of the shed. BOB starts setting things up. A big blue 60gal drum here, a big bucket there, a few chairs over yonder, etc.
By now, it is 1 hour into the 5hr class.
Some Snap Caps are passed out. We load them into our mags and practice some close range left-knee and right-knee misfire / slap / rack / fire drills.
OK, Cool! we're finally getting somewhere!
Next, we swap out some of the Snap Caps for some live ammo.
Standing, every misfire from the Snap Cap results in a slap / rack / fire.
Nice, I've learned how to quickly clear problems in a hurry.
We take a break. 2 hours elapsed.
Next, BOB decides to discuss knives and OC spray. 30 min go by to explain the OC spray only he can get as an LEO and how awful it was to get sprayed with it back in basic training. Who cares? :banghead:
Then a vehicle pulls up to the range. Exit 3 females. Momma bear and two 20something daughters. All have the Pat Benatar look going for them with fancy tight logo clothing and cases of pistols ready to go they just bought a few days ago.
30 min go by as the guys, BOB, and the girls chit chat (OK, so they know each other).
We begin the main drill. Each shooter busting through the course like an IDPA match. OK, neat, never did that before. We did that 3 times each. Fun. 2 hours to go.
Uh Oh, one girl's brand new pink gun is jamming. BOB takes 30 min to work with it.
They all chit chat, I sit there. It is about 1 hour near quitting time. I ask if we are going to do anything else here (?????) BOB replies, "I just have to diagnose this problem."
HELLO???? DID THESE PEOPLE PAY TO TAKE THIS CLASS??? NO.
I ask again what's next. BOB asks me, "what would you like to work on?" I said, "dude. This is your class. I'm a total rookie. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I NEED TO WORK ON. I came here to learn. You must have a syllabus or something (?)." He works with me 1 on 1 for 15 min while the others chit chat.
30 min left to go.
One guy opens his trunk and pulls out some sweet tactical rifles as I walk by. His buddy holds it in awe, and muzzle-sweeps the entire group of people. I rolled my eyes.
BOB discusses used minivans and motorcycles with 1 of the guys for 15 min.
15min left to go.
Mr. Tactical says to BOB, "we done? should we get out the automatics?"
BOB replies, "Sure! The RO left the gate open for me to lock up so we can do whatever we want."
They proceeded to blow through some full-auto bursts while I packed up my stuff. As they were all gathering around Pat Benatar who was on her belly to teach her to shoot a machinge-gun prone, I told BOB that I'm outta here.
He said, "OK, well we'll have another one of these sessions next month ____ and ____ and ____"
I gave him the deer-in-headlights look and left.
Looks like I walked right into a good 'ol boy's club. <DARN> They all knew each other, they take that "class" often, as if money grows on trees. I'm pretty sure that BOB and the club RO are buddies, so I didn't mention anything at all. I just chalk it up as a little bit of new info that I learned and that's that.
From now on, I will not take any class that I don't get an honest face-to-face review. I had wasted about $75 of my $100, 4 of 5hr of my time. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Seriously, how unprofessional. You probably could have got better instruction from joe shmoe gun enthusiast, or your average highroader.