"Tactical Hakim" - Am I going to the special hell?

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Okay, so I found this 8mm Hakim cheap; it was just missing the upper handguard and a few bits of hardware. "No problem!" I thought, "I'll just get a new handguard and have a neat collectible rifle!" Well, turns out there aren't any Hakim handguards, anywhere. Even the junker parts gun seem to be missing them. :banghead:

So I figured I'd just sell the thing and get my money back out. Well, it seems nobody else is quite as foolish as I was, and I think I would have to lose money to move it.

So staring at this poor thing in the corner, I started to get strange, possibly-heretical ideas. It may be old, ugly, incomplete, and Egyptian...but it's a well-designed, semi-auto, detachable-mag, adjustable-gas-system 8mm rifle. That's not a bad start for something, now is it?

The stock feels too long to me - but there are affordable Ljungman stock sets out there with handguards; I could get one of those and carve it up to my heart's content.

And the barrel is pretty long too...but hey, I could chop that down, and thread it for a modern flash suppressor or brake while I'm at it (or even a sound suppressor...).

And the sights kinda suck too...but maybe I could come up with a scout-scope mount. Or better yet, attach a mounting point to the receiver so a small scope or red dot could sit just over the bolt cover, behind the action?

This would of course be used with a crate worth of converted 25-round MG-13 magazines.

Whaddaya think? Wouldn't a "tactical tanker Hakim" be tres cool? Or am I gonna go to the Special Hell for even coming up with such an :scrutiny: idea?
 
Yes, you would be going to "the special hell" where Bubba resides. Don't destroy a rifle that is fairly rare. If you don't like it or want it, sell it, even at a loss. You will regret altering it, it's value will drop lower than it is now.
People will flame me and tell you to do whatever you want.
Hang on to it, the hand guard will eventually be found.
 
ultimately, its your gun and your choice what to do with it.

personally, i'd have to say that a modified useable rifle is better than an original unuseable rifle.
 
People will flame me and tell you to do whatever you want.
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Nope, I won't flame you, because I do see your point. BUT.. personally I'm not really a history buff, and I'd prefer a rifle that works for me over one that doesn't. I say modify away.
 
As long as you keep it...You can pile a whole bunch of money into it and have it worth even less than it is now.

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I would actually love to see the result of this. Usually I can't abid chopped up milsurps but the Hakim is an ugly thing, might as well make it ugly and usable. Make sure you use a synthetic pistol grip stock though :evil:
 
The Hakim is basically an Egyptian Ljungman, no? Can a ljungman handguard and hardware not be used? I picked up one of these things several years ago and although it is heavy, clunky and ugly it is very accurate even with the "sucky" sights. It is your gun; you can make a lamp out of it if you want. I would try to restore it if at all possible.
 
I only know of one thing that will earn you a place in "the special hell" and this does not apply:D (its a browncoat thing, alliance folks don't understand)

there aren't many like it, but that one is yours so do what you will. I myself might try to make a stock and restore it if possible, but if not tacticool away. Now if it was a rasheed (little 7.62X39 hakim) you might be better off restoring it.

some pics would be appreciated
 
you could make a Y shaped mount to mount on the sides of stock and go into a homemade pintle mount on the back of a jeep. I turned mine upside down and it looks kinda like a Bren gun with the 2 30 round mags I have. Great blasting machine in deserted areas:D
 
Ok, here are some photos of what I'm thinking:

The bolt cover is a bad place for a scope mount; like the AK dust cover, it's not a stable platform. However, there is a web in the receiver just below the stock that might be thick enough to drill through for a scope mount bracket:
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In doing the photo, it occurred to me that it might be tricky to do a scope mount like this and not have it interfere with disassembly. The bolt cover is removed off the back of the action, so the stripper clip guide would either have to clear under the scope mount (which would make the scope really high), or be ground off (not really ideal either). Or the mount would have to be QD, which could be a tricky proposition. One option might be (if the height would work) to attach an AK side rail, and use the QD rail or optics available for AKs.

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Then, of course, there's the matter of bobbing the barrel. That would be the last step I would take, as I think it's the least necessary. The barrel comes in at about 22" as-is, plus a couple more inches of muzzle brake:

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Ian, over on the surplusrifles forum...there is a guy who sells and has quite a few Hakim parts (as well as the 25 round drum conversion pics. neat!:)) Numrich is dry and has very little Hakim parts.

Your gun, do what you want.....that special hell isn't for you if it works and looks decent....heck you would do the right thing (or would you?:scrutiny: hmmmmm) if the parts were available.

Linky to Surplusrifle Hakim board...if you haven't checked it out yet.

http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewforum.php?f=45

There is a thread titled "Hakim missing parts"...fellow fitted a Ljungman stock to his Hakim...pictures (beautiful) and shows what had to be fit and cut to do it. Must see.

Post some finished pics however you decide to go...project sounds interesting either way. Good luck.
 
Man i wish some more hakims would turn up somewhere. They are one of the nicest hipower autorifles.
 
Cutting that barrel down might lead to gas system problems. These early semi-autos had some teething problems anyway. Deviate from the original design and all bets are off. (read up on Tanker Garands)

The stock feels too long to me - but there are affordable Ljungman stock sets out there with handguards; I could get one of those and carve it up to my heart's content.
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Why not just get a Ljungman stock and see if you can get it to work. Then if you do come across a handguard, you hadn't lost anything.
 
I don't think the "special mil-surp butchers hell" applies in this case. I'd cringe if you wanted to do the same thing to a Ljungman, but......a Hakim? That would be like hot rodding a Zil....you can only make it better :)

And the adjustable gas system should make shortening the barrel no problem.
 
Why not just make one? Using a router, a rasp and some wood chisels you should be able to fabricate something.
 
I'm with elmerfudd. This would make a good project gun to restore. I saw a complete Hakim stock for sale last month somewhere on the Internet for $95. I wish I remembered where. I de-bubba-ed my own Hakim and it was rewarding work. ( http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=286637 ) There's two ways to look at this. You can build up positive karma for when you grind off the cartouche on an 1899 Krag and paint it candy apple red or you can go ahead and Bubba it and make the few remaining minty Hakim's more valuable. It's a win-win proposition and it's your rifle. :)
 
J had the same thought. I wouldn't cut the barrel. See, I also got a functioning Hakim for about $200. And no the Ljungman handguard doesn't fit without some serious drilling to fit the gas adjuster. The Hakim handguard arches higher and has a hole already drilled to accomidate the adjuster valve. It also dosen't go out all the way to where the Hakim has the front band and bayonet mount. The bands are different as well, though there is the guy making front bands, they are different. I envisioned using an AK mount on the side and using an AK or Druganov scope. I don't really see a problem when the parts are probably NEVER going to be available. For mine I was thinking a POSP scope, since the sight slide is probably missing as well, a Black stock or somethnig, I wasn't going to cut the barrel. I did find a rear band, and tried a Ljungman handguard, i also have a Ljungman, so I knew there would be some fitting required. The handguard also requires cutting out for the Hakim sight, so mine doesn't fit yet. But other than that, you still got a semiauto cheap, so what's the big deal?
 
I personally wouldn't bubba it, I spend enough time bringing bubba'd milsurps back to original configuration.

I've always been under the frame of mind that milsurps should be left the way god created them:D

I have no problem with replacing stocks or fittings, just as long as you hang on to the parts you replace. If you cut the barrel and do lots of machine work to the gun then the damage is often irreversible and the value whatever there may have been is now almost completely gone.

Although there is a difference between a hack job and high quality custom work. I've seen some ugly old rifles turned into gorgeous works of art in the hands of people who know what they are doing. On the flip side I've seen some classic looking milsurps turned into ugly synthetic monstrosities.

All I can say is please don't hack up this rifle because you want to turn it into something that it is not. If you really don't want the rifle and you want something more tactical then buy something more tactical. Pass the rifle on to those who want to restore it back to its original glory, you never know there could be a handguard out there just waiting for this rifle to come along.

Then again its not my rifle, do what you want with it.
 
I'd go make my own bull pup stock and save all the original parts. That way you wouldn't have to cut the barrel down...OR go wrap it around a tree if you like - it's your rifle! They are still building rifles you know...maybe not that particular POS. .
 
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