Tactics / weapons for a non-CCW zones

[Johnnycome]

Inside your home you can have machete,axes, spears , hammrs, guns,etc. to protect yourself. You can buy extendable batons from collectors shops. like real ones.

I think the loophole is you call them collectables. Which means you cant carry down the street but surely you would hit a home invader in the head with one.

In your yard you can carry machete,axes, hamemrs,etc. pretend you are a handyman looking for jobs to do as your alibi as you check the perimeter.

In cars the wheel lock on the passenger sid with a hammer fist strike out the window is probably the most legal.

Down the street it is more difficult. we cant carry guns down the street in ccw zones as easily or legally. You can carry an unbreakable umbrella. I think you might be able to get a cheaper version of it at lowes for $30. The original costs 200$ but imo if you carry an umbrella someone is less likely to punch you in the mouth and give you dental bills of over $200. You can carry sharpened pencils, pens, hard boots, torches if you are out at night. a small metal torch maybe in your pocket during the day. You could also carry a tennis racquet and pretend you are always en route the tennis court or you like to practice your swing as you go for a walk. You can also wear chunky rings. Also iif you got a crew of men all walking around in boots and umbrellas it woudl be even better.

 

[TimboKhan]

All of that makes varying degrees of sense except for the tennis racquet. I mean, I guess it would sort of hurt, but most tennis racquets are made of light enough material that I think you would have a pretty hard time doing any signifigant damage even if you whacked someone with the edge of it. Plus, who wants to haul a tennis racquet around with them everyplace they go? The umbrella is a pretty good idea in the sense that it is easy to create and keep distance between you and an attacker, but it has it's flaws. First, you will look sort of silly hauling an umbrella around on a 90 degree day; second, you have to haul an umbrella around; third, you run into the same problems with the umbrella that you do with the tennis racquet in terms of ability to whack someone with force. Of course, the umbrella can be used as a good poking implement, so it has that going for it. Plus, it has obvious utility because it's, you know, an umbrella.

I also can't see a lot of use in carrying a torch as a defense tool, but then I have never heard of anyone carrying a torch as a defense tool, so it's possible that I am missing out on a whole wide world of opportunity there. It would seem to me that it would be a pain to try and light the thing while your getting attacked. Carrying a hammer isn't a bad idea. It has been mentioned several times that the Hells Angels used to carry ball-peen hammers around with them because there is no law that says you can't....

 

[hso]

Johnnycome,,

Welcome to THR/NFW.

I will assume that "torch" can also mean flashlight as opposed to something that involves flame.

 

[TimboKhan]

I feel like a dummy now, but something told me that he probably didn't mean a propane torch, hence my reluctance to dismiss it out of hand, lol....

A flashlight is, of course, an excellent idea.

 

[Piedmont Plinker]

A smaller flasshlight works well as a kuboton, and a big one, especially a Maglite, is a darn good club.
And while carrying a torch isn't exactly practical, getting hit in the head with a flaming stick would hurt!
Also, don't discount the cane. An umbrella works well, too, but a cane will get you less weird looks, and will help you walk, even if you are perfectly healthy.
As a student, I've often thought about the defensive potential of a backpack, and I think that if you had room to swing it, it would put someone out quick.
And, if soemone tries to carjack you, don't forget the large, fast, 2 ton object you are sitting in. It has doors that are effective clubs, can run really fast, and could be used to give someone a really hard poke, although that wouldn't look good in court.

 

[TimboKhan]

The cane is indeed a good idea, and has even been discussed recently in this forum.

Out of curiosity, how hard is to learn kubotan skills? Is it something that requires years of training and practice, or is it something that can be learned and implemented fairly quick? I have started to carry a small flashlight with me pretty regularly, and I have thought it would make a good kubotan even though I haven't the foggiest idea of how to use a kubotan...

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Hammer

You know, as silly as it sounds, if I wanted to make sure I had hardware handy in an otherwise casual environment, I might don a light tool belt and hang a hammer from the loop.

It occurred to me, after a conversation with someone who thought it "odd" that I carried a large knife in my Jeep, that I had a variety of tools in said Jeep, including an inexpensive all-steel hammer.

I would suggest that, if someone wanted to attack me with a knife, and all I had was a hammer, there's a good chance I could muster a viable defense using that hammer.

No, a hammer is certainly not part of a normal daily load-out, but I wouldn't have the slightest compunction about wearing a tool belt in, shall we say, a mall.

A walking stick or cane is more likely to be a more frequent companion in my case (what with being a little grey and all), but I thought I'd throw out the hammer idea just for the heck of it.

 

[C-D-P]

A long time ago I was on UDP to Okinawa. Everyday while we were out PTing we would see this middle aged woman walking to work carrying an axe handle. One day we did not see her. Apparently someone jumped her, she hit him with it, he took it from her and raped her with it. Stand off is good, getting close is not. OC is good but will not stop a determined attacker, Tazers are better, but not legal for use in some places (or so I hear).

 

[ray_ray]

You know, as silly as it sounds, if I wanted to make sure I had hardware handy in an otherwise casual environment, I might don a light tool belt and hang a hammer from the loop.
i would suggest that, if someone wanted to attack me with a knife, and all I had was a hammer, there's a good chance I could muster a viable defense using that hammer

Or something like this http://www.bookofjoe.com/images/5688xxl.jpg its just my bottle opener.

 

[Carl Levitian]

If you have an irish shop in your city, maybe you could get a real blackthorn walking stick. Very strong, but low on the radar. I've been using one since 1971, when my right leg got messed up in a service related injury, and its walked right onto airliners as recently as last month with only a mild glance from the TSA personel. A stick is already in your hand if things look like their getting a bit dicy, so its there right now.

 

[JShirley]

Timbo,

The easiest way to use a small flashlight is to hold it in your fist with some top and bottom extending from both sides. You can hammerfist strike with it, or think of swinging a roundhouse and just barely clipping the side of their head*. Hit the edge of the eye socket and you'll do real damage: I'm not suggesting this be used unless you're in fear for your life or of suffering serious injury.

I may be doing an article for Concealed Carry Magazine's website on this very subject soon.

*If they dodge into the punch, you'll still hit them, which isn't a bad result, either.

John

 

[The_Rambler]

Hey, A large flashlight is a good idea. like a 3 or 4 cell maglite or something.

Or do what a 16 year old like me does. Carry a roll of quarters and know some ground moves.

 

[Johnnycome]

The roll of quarters is more illegal in some areas IMO.

A maglight is not a weapon it is a torch and is carried because it has a powerfal light.

There are the small skinny aluminium ones with 2-3 AA batteries about 5-6 inches long and there are the bigger ones with C or D batteries.

The C sized torches are sometimes more comfortable to carry.

Ive heard the bikers carry a hammer and say they forgot to take it off after working on the bike.

I think for a middle aged woman she should carry something else more close range like to stab if someone gets on top of her.

 

[The_Rambler]

Where would a roll of quarters be illegal?

Its money. carry some dollar bills and pennys in the same pocket. They cant prove you were gonna do anything with it but spend it.

 

[Johnnycome]

I mean if its wrapped in foil or in a sock it might be illegal. But yes if its just loose it wont be.

 

[The_Rambler]

Im talking about using it as a fist pack.

 

[give]

you can also carry a bat if you have a glove and ball with you,a cane has been used in martel arts self defence for a long time,works well,and how about sap gloves/also known as prison guard gloves

 

[hso]

Are you in the UK?

 

[Johnnycome]

Those 250mL coke cans, glass soda bottles (non alcoholic are best), fishing sinkers, marbles are good projectiles as well.

 

[Pax Jordana]

My own brief (don't expect this to become a habit) two cents:

You can carry sharpened pencils, pens, hard boots, torches if you are out at night. a small metal torch maybe in your pocket during the day.

It's not illegal to read and write. And I refuse to carry a flashlight shorter than my own hand is wide for that very reason. Problem solved

You could also carry a tennis racquet and pretend you are always en route the tennis court or you like to practice your swing as you go for a walk.

Were that feasible, I'd say just pack a cricket bat!

You can also wear chunky rings.

I wouldn't recommend it. Real brass knuckles are reinforced all the way back to the palm - if you look closely, the design bypasses the delicate long bones of the hand entirely and passes force from the much stronger wrist and arm bones.

Also iif you got a crew of men all walking around in boots and umbrellas it woudl be even better.

Round here we'd all be mistaken for a bunch of dandies and invited to a special party

Seriously though, a good friend who's willing to fight alongside you trumps most manual weapons- two or more of them trumps just about everything that doesn't come in superior numbers.

 

[brent376]

Try Vexor Defense Spray from Zarc the maker of defense sprays for the US Government. They now have a civilian model with the same 15 million SHU pure capsaicinoid formula as the govt model. Vexor removes all the waxes and oils leaving only pure capsaicin and its patented.

www.zarc.com

 

[Dirty Bob]

Gotta second the metal flashlight. There are so many LED models available, that almost anyone can find something that suits them. For budget lights, I recommend the Mini MagLite, which was designed for just the kind of activities that JShirley described. Light, compact, effective, and it can be carried almost anywhere. Two summers ago, I carried an Inova T1 all over Paris, into many weapon-free zones with metal detectors. No one looked at it as anything but a handy light.

All my best,
Dirty Bob

 

[Johnnycome]

Also smashing your own windows of your car if car jacked or house if home invaded or someone else's house or car might be an idea to create attention. The costs to repair are less than the cost of being attacked.

If I was a criminal car jacking or home invading or attacking someone down the street Id prefer they were quiet.

 

[The Highlander]

A large C/D cell maglite would do the trick. And I'd rather carry a quiver of golf clubs on me than a tennis racquet. Titanium shaft on a sand wedge or lob wedge would certainly cause some damage. Or you could carry an aluminum tee ball bat. I've kept mine under my bed for about 1.5 decades. Smaller than a baseball bat, but much more maneuverable. Realistically though the flashlight is your best bet. I understand cold steel makes a hardened sharpie called a sharkie, but I haven't ever seen one in real life, so I can't atest to its usefulness.

I'm not sure what the regulations in your area are, but you could always carry a yawara.

 

[JShirley]

That's just it: carrying a block of wood for no evident good reason could be viewed suspiciously, and I'm pretty sure kubatons won't be allowed through airports and other security checkpoints. If you happened to have a small flashlight when attacked, you merely used what you had.

Right?