Talk me into/out of a Colt Delta Elite or a Glock 20

[mightysnafu]

My bad, All wise and knowing OZ. 175 gr, and yes the do. So much for the no hazing policy, and thanks. I' be cancelling my membership to this site. The simple Fact that I did have one blow apart in my hand aside, I don't feel the need to slap a bunch of pics of it on here to prove it to an ******* like you.

 

[intercooler]

I'm totally not a Glock fan but most cases it is the Ammo. The Glock Kaboom was unsupported chambers of the older Gen's and more the .40 than the 10mm. Maybe you got one of those double charged rounds.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Huh...................

 

[Dave T]

I thought Winchester was the only factory 175g round with their Silvertip. You'd think since he got so bent out of shape he wouldn't have screwed up the bullet weight the second time too!

Just sayin',
Dave

 

[intercooler]

I was going to say the only 175gr isn't a American eagle/federal product. Maybe he meant 180gr lol

 

[JoelSteinbach]

Are we still choosing a Glock 20 or A Delta?, or testing each other on the availability of 10mm ammo.

Final answer, if you can find a Delta buy it

 

[blue_ridge]

When Colt originally came out with the Delta Elite I bought one, first year. I had wanted a Bren Ten, but they went bankrupt and you couldn't find them anywhere.

Anyway, I was so convinced the 10mm was superior to anything else in an auto. I read the FBI study back then which heralded the 10mm and told many of my friends about it. But what I came to realize was the 10 recoiled more sharply and made follow up shots much slower. Since most of what I expect to ever use my 1911 for is inside 5 yards, I didn't see any real benefit from the 10mm. Went back to 45's and never looked back.

I loved the 10mm on paper, but not in real life. IMHO, there is a reason the 45 has been around so long. It is the perfect balance of power, manageable recoil without over-penetration and it has affordable ammo choices.

But to answer your question, If I had to choose one of the two you asked about, I'd probably go with the Delta Elite because a 1911 trigger is so much better and i think 1911's feel better in the hand.

 

[Warp]

I had a Glock 20 a couple years ago. I sold it. I have since purchased two more handguns. Neither is a 10mm...even though one is a Glock 21SF and the other is a full size .357.

The 10mm really is a niche cartridge. If you really truly honestly will not be bothered by the ammunition price and availability and will reload for it then it may be a good choice. If not...I'd get something in a mainstream caliber/chambering.

 

[JROC]

When Colt originally came out with the Delta Elite I bought one, first year. I had wanted a Bren Ten, but they went bankrupt and you couldn't find them anywhere.

Anyway, I was so convinced the 10mm was superior to anything else in an auto. I read the FBI study back then which heralded the 10mm and told many of my friends about it. But what I came to realize was the 10 recoiled more sharply and made follow up shots much slower. Since most of what I expect to ever use my 1911 for is inside 5 yards, I didn't see any real benefit from the 10mm. Went back to 45's and never looked back.

I loved the 10mm on paper, but not in real life. IMHO, there is a reason the 45 has been around so long. It is the perfect balance of power, manageable recoil without over-penetration and it has affordable ammo choices.

If I had to choose one of the two, I'd probably go with the Delta Elite.

IMHO if you want to fill the criteria that you mentioned then a G20 would probably be the better choice for you. I can get off good follow up shots with my G20SF about as quickly as I can with my Colt Combat Elite. Not quite as quickly, but very close when comparing full power 10mm ammo to regular .45ACP. With watered down .40 cal type loads I can get good follow up shots off at least as fast if not faster. In fact I feel the hardest part to getting a good follow up shot off with a Glock compared to a 1911 is it takes more time to pull the much longer/heavier trigger of a Glock. While my or any 1911 with regular .45ACP isn't hard to shoot 1911's seem to offer a lot more muzzle flip IMO. A 10mm Glock recoils with more of a firm push compared to kicking your wrists up. I do have a 22lb recoil spring in my Glock, but even with the factory recoil assemble the gun is still very manageable, but the heavier recoil assembly just makes it more so.

 

[evan price]

"Talk me into or out of a Ford F150 or a Chrysler 300-M"

Those guns are worlds apart...

 

[ku4hx]

20,000+ high end rounds through both my Gen2 G20 and my 1006. I like them both and shoot both equally well. Which I shoot is a matter of whim which is just another word for personal choice.

Both have Hogue rubber grip sleeves, are a pleasure to hold and shoot and both are far more accurate than I am. And finally now that I'm retired I can actually shoot all the ammo I can load on my RL550B. Very little sitting around for months now.

Guns are like tighty whities ... not every brand will fit like you think it should. Got to try several and go with what's the best fit for you.

 

[ATLDave]

This isn't directly responsive to the OP's question, but another option to consider for a 10mm handgun is EAA/Tanfoglio's Witness line. I bought a Witness Elite Match in 10mm earlier this year and have been very pleased with it. Depending on the model selected, a buyer can get a DA/SA or a SAO only trigger. To me, these are a good compromise between the Glock and the Delta. Combine the Glock's price point and capacity and easy of field stripping with the Delta's all-steel heavy frame (good for recoil managment - I find the Tangy a delight to shoot for 100+ rounds at a time) and, if you choose, a really nice SA trigger that can be gotten down to ~2 lbs with some work if that's what you like.

 

[JoelSteinbach]

very good ALTDave, I own 2 10 mm witness, they are about the best buy for the money, 1st one purchased in 2000, never a problem, their newer match gun is awsome, just had to put a different front site, due to old eyes, I am a 10 mm accumulator, at present 14 diffewrent 10's including 2 Clark custom Delta's

 

[ATLDave]

Joel, I bought with a bit of trepidation based on some bad stories on the interwebs, mostly circa '05-08, re: slide cracking. Some further research gave me adequate comfort that issue was confined to the "wonderfinish" slides, which aren't on the gun I was considering, were addressed with a slide re-design, and could be guarded against with the use of a heavier recoil spring and/or sprinco recoil system. I swapped out my recoil spring for a 20 lb Wolf job before I shot round number one, and it has run like a top since. 2 FTF's with the old-design red-follower mag, totally flawless with the two Mecgar mags (including one with an aluminum baseplate for 2 extra rounds' capacity). Anyway, it's been the most accurate, fun-to-shoot gun out of the box I've ever used. It's in the shop right now to get a fiber optic front sight installed, and to slick up the already-good trigger a bit.

Anyway, anybody thinking about a 10mm who isn't a Glock-lover should give one of the Witnesses some serious consideration. If nothing else, I think it's got the lowest bore axis of any 10mm out there. I know it kicks harder, but flips less than my Browning 9mm!

 

[bigmike45]

Back to the OP's original question.

I had two Deltas and a G20. I still have the Deltas as they are far more accurate and comfortable to shoot. They point naturally in my hand and the G20 never did....but I just had to try one out. I put several hundred rounds through the Glock and really wanted to like it for, if no other reason, it's magazine capacity. My gun was truly a spray & pray gang bangers delight. Keep in mind this is my experiences with my G20. I even had a couple of my Glock loving buddies shoot it and they were very disappointed in the guns accuracy.....yes I could have tried other barrels, sent it off to a Glock armorer to have it tweaked and so on.....but why when I have two Delta's that already work perfectly and out shoot the Glock consistently.

bigmike45

 

[intercooler]

I know you only put the two choices there but you really need to give a Witness Elite Match like I have a look. Capacity, accuracy, feel, etc... are all great.