Talk me into/out of a Colt Delta Elite or a Glock 20

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How much was ammo at Wally World in late 2008-2010?

Didn't matter, cause THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY!

Reloading isn't only about cost.
 
10mm brass and components are just to expensive, at least with 40, 45, 9mm would don't have to worry about picking up your cases, and reloading the 10mm is expensive.

10mm you have to be carefull about downloading it.

Its better to just shoot the 40sw to begin with

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Currently with the prices of current factory ball ammo its cheaper to buy new factory ammo then it is to reload. almost any center fire handgun round.

Add up the prices of 100 qty brass $14-$40 , primers $3 100 qty, lb powder $20, bullets 40 cal 180grn $26 100 qty.

Now add up the cost for reloading a box of 50 qty taking into account you can buy factory ball 10mm ammo for around $26

brass average of $10 + $1.50 primers + 1/4 lb powder $5 + $13 bullets = $29.50 for 50 qty of handloads.

Even subtracting the price of brass your still at $19.50 a box, handloading your own old brass.

New ammo $26 50 rounds
New handloads $29.50 50 rounds
Using old brass $19.50 50 rounds

Note 50 rounds of 40sw. is only about $15 factory ball

So please explain to me your logic in currently reloading. When it makes more common sense to just buy factory loaded ammo. Prices I just looked up at natchez supply and you know they are the cheapest on reloading supplies for average pricing.

I read this post and I'm not sure I follow you. The only components of a 10mm Auto that are more $$$ than a .40S&W are the cases. Same powder (albeit, slightly more) and same bullets. Now, 10mm uses Large Pistol primers vs the .40S&W which uses Small pistol primers, and those may be more money, but not always.

Reloading costs for 10mm are very close to the same as for .40S&W

From the Starline website:
10mm Auto unprimed brass $85.50 / 500 cases
.40 S&W unprimed brass $81.50 / 500 cases

From the Midwayusa.com website
1000 Win Large Pistol primers: $33.49
1000 Win Small Pistol primers: $33.49


As for being careful about downloading it...again, I'm not sure what you are referring to here. Most starting loads for a 10mm that you will find, basically duplicate the performance of a .40S&W...So as long as you follow the manual you are GTG. I would also point out that you need to be careful any time you reload your own ammo.

OK, wait, I went back and re-read your post, you were comparing handloading to cheap factory ammo. Ok, fair enough. There are some companies that sell loaded .40S&W ammo pretty darned cheap.

Still, I went and loaded all my reloading info into the Handloading Cost Calculator and it figures my cost per 50rounds to be $12.68...this is using brand new brass, not used brass, or else it would be cheaper still.
These are the assumptions I used.
- 1 lb Accurate No 9 Powder = $18.79 (11gr charge per case)
- 1000 Primers = $33.49
- 1000 Cases = $85.50
- 1000 180gr Plated bullets = $105

So, show me where you are getting good quality (Brass cased) .40S&W ammo at significantly less than $13/50rds

Still there is the fact that a cheap caliber conversion barrel ($109.99 from Lone Wolf) will let you run .40S&W thru your G20 anytime you want...The case for a G20 just gets stronger.

I guess if you have your heart set on shooting FMJ's or Hollow points as your practice ammo, you might be able to make a case for factory ammo, but for target practice, plate shoots, 3-gun and everything that most people will do with a handgun other than hunting or self defense, plated bullets work fine.


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I very plainly explained ONE reason to you, and it was obviously not read so.....

Please make up your mind which scenario you are arguing against 10mm: self-defense or hunting? Your lack of accuracy vs. reload expense?

The OP is asking about 10mm pistols, not the caliber. If you feel a well loaded 10mm round from a 6" barrel is not enough for self defense, hunting scenarios, or your bizzare safari scenario, then choose another caliber please.

Yes, I would take my 10mm for a safari in Africa, on my hip, to compliment the .300 Win. Mag.. What's your next non-essential point to make against the 10mm? It does not fit your hand or style of shooting and that's fine, or as you said, it is too much for you to shoot accurately with multiple shots. That's OK.



So please explain to me your logic in currently reloading. When it makes more common sense to just buy factory loaded ammo. Prices I just looked up at natchez supply and you know they are the cheapest on reloading supplies for average pricing.
 
I shot some semi-hot handloads from my G20 yesterday. The muzzle blast was like an orange wall. Wouldn't want to shoot more than 100 or so at a time though.


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I own a Dan Wesson 10mm CBOB, bought used about a year ago. It is a quality built pistol with serious issues, which I have been working on for the last year. It is away at a reputable 1911-smith right now, and I expect it to return working 100%.

I am considering adding a G29 (or now, maybe a G20SF).

--10mm brass and components are just to (sic) expensive, at least with 40, 45, 9mm would don't have to worry about picking up your cases, and reloading the 10mm is expensive.
--10mm you have to be carefull about downloading it.
--Its better to just shoot the 40sw to begin with
Each of the above is (in legal terms) a conclusion, or in layman's terms, an opinion.
None of them is a fact.

XR--I'm not sure I've ever seen so many posts in a single thread by one member. Your bias and your agenda are crystal clear, and your opinion is duly noted. If you have any facts to support those opinions, they are welcomed. Otherwise, they are just a repetition of your opinions.

I enjoy shooting the 10mm cartridge, and will continue to do so. Yes, the brass is pricey, but the remainder of the components are the same as .40 (slight increase in volume of powder notwithstanding). For the record, I pick up my brass regardless of caliber--it's part of reloading.
 
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I think he is just a pissed off .40 cal owner :)

I heard from someone the Glock 21 is the better piece to add the 10mm option to. Maybe it was because then you can shoot more calibers out of one frame if desired. That would tend to sway me to the 21 versus the 20. All about that versatility!
 
orionengnr Quote " I own a Dan Wesson 10mm CBOB, bought used about a year ago. It is a quality built pistol with serious issues, which I have been working on for the last year. It is away at a reputable 1911-smith right now, and I expect it to return working 100%. "

Your statement says it all, you have a 10mm dog that you worked on for a year, can't fix it on your own. Now you have to have qualified gun smith to fix it for you.

You really need to know when to call it quits and save your money, your first mistake was in even buying the pistol.

So I guess you can be our expert on what not to do !
 
xr I think you missed what he said about it being a used gun. Many times they are well worn out needing a refurb. I myself got bit on a used Witness once that needed a bunch of work as it turned out (wore springs, catch) but I didn't pay a huge amount for it and rather than spend the funds traded it for a brand new .357. I went back and bought a brand new Witness Match and it has been stellar. It's pretty obvious you are just trolling here as about five responders blew your outlook on the 10mm totally out of the water.
 
I think he is just a pissed off .40 cal owner :)

I heard from someone the Glock 21 is the better piece to add the 10mm option to. Maybe it was because then you can shoot more calibers out of one frame if desired. That would tend to sway me to the 21 versus the 20. All about that versatility!

I think that was me, and yes, my point was that with the G21 you can easily switch between .45acp and 10mm...but come to think of it, I'm not sure you can get a .40S&W barrel for a G21...

In any case, I really like having the option of a 10mm handgun that will also run another easily sourced caliber (.40S&W or .45acp, or both) with minimal investment. Its easier to get a 110$ barrel to fit my budget than it is a whole new 600$ gun. Plus the Lone Wolf barrels are Bright Shiny metal, and that appeals to the Magpie in me.:)
 
I have a 10mm lone wolf barrel for my Glock 20, and it and a magazine were all I needed to convert a Glock 21 to 10mm. I would think any aftermarket barrel in .40 designed for the G20 would work similarly in the G21 (along with a 10mm mag).
 
Don't drink the kool aid. That way lays madness. John Browning forgot more about firearms than Gaston Glock will ever know. That is all.
 
Don't drink the kool aid. That way lays madness. John Browning forgot more about firearms than Gaston Glock will ever know. That is all.

I think the JMB worshippers are the kool aid drinkers. Were he still alive he'd be making plastic guns. He was an innovator in the early 20th century, limited by the his era and the advancement of technology at that time. It's a hundred years later. It's okay to accept newer, proven technologies. You're not cheating on John. No need for a dear John letter :)


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Well, Not to just randomly throw my "two cents" into a discussion, I've had a G20c for about a year and a half. I've only put about 300 rounds through it, since 10mm is not cheap. I got the bug to shoot it last weekend, got ammo, got about 2/3 of the way through the box, and the thing blew up in my hand. that having been said, glocks customer service is not impressing me so far, and if I had it to do over again I would have bought the delta elite when I had the chance. 1911 has more style.
 
For range or hunting there are the 1911's and the S&W 610 if you were'nt aware of the revolver option. I've heard great things about the DW's. I own a Witness (POS) the two Glocks and two 610's. For carry I'd look at the G29 or DW C-Bob. For range go with a 610 or 1911. Hunting - 610, 1911 or G20. HD a G20 with light, nightsights and a 15 rd. mag with a TF +4 is hard to beat.
 
Well, Not to just randomly throw my "two cents" into a discussion, I've had a G20c for about a year and a half. I've only put about 300 rounds through it, since 10mm is not cheap. I got the bug to shoot it last weekend, got ammo, got about 2/3 of the way through the box, and the thing blew up in my hand. that having been said, glocks customer service is not impressing me so far, and if I had it to do over again I would have bought the delta elite when I had the chance. 1911 has more style.
Wow first post and it's a "Glock blew up in my hand" story. Pics with todays newspaper under the shrapnel or it did'nt happen. Welcome to THR by the way!
 
Well, Not to just randomly throw my "two cents" into a discussion, I've had a G20c for about a year and a half. I've only put about 300 rounds through it, since 10mm is not cheap. I got the bug to shoot it last weekend, got ammo, got about 2/3 of the way through the box, and the thing blew up in my hand. that having been said, glocks customer service is not impressing me so far, and if I had it to do over again I would have bought the delta elite when I had the chance. 1911 has more style.

Dang! I guess that's to be expected though because factory 10mm is loaded so hot **cough**


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I have a G20SF. I love it. It is easily my favorite pistol I own, and that's up against 2 other pistols that I am very fond of.(Colt Combat Elite, and CZ 75) I've done a few mods to it. Glock extended slide stop, $.25 trigger mod, LWD 3.5 lb connector, and a Wolff 22 lb recoil spring with a steel guide rod.
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I have a buddy who owns a ton of guns and he has 3 10mm's. I can't remember what one is,(it's a 1911) but one is a Gen3 G20, and another is a Colt Delta Elite. I think he prefers the Glock, but his Delta Elite is a very nice gun, and I would love to have one myself as I'm a fan of Colt 1911's. I haven't shot his Colt DE, but for some reason it feels a little different in my hand than other 1911's do. IDK why.

Still I straight up love my G20SF. I've shot plenty of hot Swampfox, and Double Tap ammo through it's factory barrel with no problems what-so-ever. I have a 6" LWD 9x25 Dillion barrel for it, and that is some fun stuff to shoot.

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I know people like to give this reason, or that reason why the 10mm hasn't taken off in the mainstream, and I'm sure the reasons most give are right, but it amazes me that this cartridge hasn't taken off. To me it is just so good, and it's performance is just a big step ahead of other semi-auto cartridges. It does everything great. I love the 10.
 
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Well, First off, I don't mean to sound defensive. However, seven. I did happen over labor day weekend, to look at the gun, it looks fine. I was shooting american eagle 186 grain fmj.
I did take a couple pics, not worth posting, and again in the pics you cant see any damage.
The mag blew out the extractor is mia, the slide was stuck. And glock is blaming bad ammo.
and said It may cost me $400 bucks to fix it. If that's the case I think ill be havinng it sent back unrepaired, and just buy some thing else.
 
186gr American Eagle? Okay American Eagle doesn't make any 186gr load. For that matter no 10mm ammo MFG makes such an animal. Wanna try again?
 
Hey, after you've shot a 10mm Glock using real 10mm ammo ...

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... anything else is a choice between, say, Stacey Keibler and swishy-ness ... :rolleyes:
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C'mon, don't be a swishy, ... time to man-up ...
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