Talk Me Out Of An Arsenal SGL21

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Don't buy it, it's a horrible gun, ammo is way to plentiful and cheap. It's fun to shoot, well made and good looking.... don't buy it!!! fit and finish is good, shoots anything........ don't buy it............. oh, and here's a picture of mine..... :)
 
WinThePennant said:
This week I will be buying an AK-47.

If possible, please talk me out of it... :neener:
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They are ugly, uncomfortable to shoot, over-rated, equipped with poor sights, have a clumsy safety, magazine changes are awkward, heavier than need be and has had it's ass kicked by the SMLE, M14, FN-FAL, M16 and M4
 
They are also solid, reliable, rugged and will damn near fire any ammo that you care to feed it. Field strip and cleaning is a snap to do (well, the dust cover can be a little hard sometimes to get back on properly)

The AK (AKM) was designed to be carried, shot and maintained by semi-illiterate peasants. Drug thru the grime, sand, and mud, picked up and fired.

I (obviously) do not know this for a fact...I would be willing to bet that there are 50 yr. old AKs in third world countries that have rarely if ever been cleaned. Yet they still go bang to this day.

It would be very hard to find a rifle that can take more abuse and still function.
 
Okiegunner said:
They are also solid, reliable, rugged and will damn near fire any ammo that you care to feed it. Field strip and cleaning is a snap to do (well, the dust cover can be a little hard sometimes to get back on properly)

The AK (AKM) was designed to be carried, shot and maintained by semi-illiterate peasants. Drug thru the grime, sand, and mud, picked up and fired.

I (obviously) do not know this for a fact...I would be willing to bet that there are 50 yr. old AKs in third world countries that have rarely if ever been cleaned. Yet they still go bang to this day.

It would be very hard to find a rifle that can take more abuse and still function.
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Good post, sir.
 
MistWolf said:
They are ugly, uncomfortable to shoot, over-rated, equipped with poor sights, have a clumsy safety, magazine changes are awkward, heavier than need be and has had it's ass kicked by the SMLE, M14, FN-FAL, M16 and M4
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They give as good as they get. One would be hard pressed to forget that.

Think Operation Gothic Serpent.
 
7.62 expensive?! I needed a good laugh! Centerfire systems has veprs for 499 which is a smoking deal! They are heavier that sgls but with a conversion the vepr is pure awesome.
 
Compared to what? .22 rimfire?
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5.45x39 ;)
They are ugly,
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One man's trash is another man's beauty.
uncomfortable to shoot,
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Not for me.
over-rated
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I don't see how it's overrated, if anything I can see it as being underrated.
equipped with poor sights,
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Is it just me or do many firearms from when rifling was invented have similar sites?
have a clumsy safety,
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Which means?
magazine changes are awkward,
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Just like the FAL, M14, etc? I don't find them awkward and the magazine design is stronger with an AK. Sure it's not as fast but I don't see soldiers out in the field doing speed reloads like you see in 3 gun.
heavier than need be and has had it's ass kicked by the SMLE, M14, FN-FAL, M16 and M4
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Swap weapons and it would be the other way around. Vietnam is a good example. The VC had horrible training compared to NATO forces. "Better" weapons wouldn't have saved them as the weapons themselves don't have the ability to think so it wasn't the weapon's fault the owner was killed. Heavier than it needs to be? I don't have an issue with the weight and compared to the M14 and FAL, it's a lightweight.

Don't turn this into one of those annoying AK Vs. AR threads.
 
If possible, please talk me out of it...
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I can't talk you out of it. I just picked up an AK yesterday. Glad I chose it over an AR. Cheap steel case ammo I don't have to pick up cases off the ground to reload for. Reliable, simplistic, light enough.

Go for it.
 
The AK is harder to grow older with if you like to shoot past 200 yards. Mounting optics is a bit of a challenge with the AK, and after a while a scope is needed for older eyes. So for me and my eyes, the AK is not a good option, even if the gun can shoot 2-3 MOA and thus making it a viable 300-400 yard gun.

But if you just want to shoot watermelons out to 200 yards, then the AK is hard to beat.
 
There are good options for mounting optics for the AK. The best one that comes to mind is the TWS dogleg mount.
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In 1996, I bought a Norinco Mak 90 for $185.00. It had a 8 " group at 100 yards and a 7lb trigger pull that felt like 3" of creep and as rough as 50 grit sand paper. I don't know if it was just a bad one but I will never owns another AK. JMO.
 
To be honest I think the AK is really one of the better semi-auto rifles to mount an optic too, because with the side rail you have lots of return-to-zero mounts available. You can swap out a red dot and a 2x7 optic in less than a minute, and they actually work perfectly unlike most AR mounts.
 
762x39 is expensive.
223/556 is reloadable (cheap at that)
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With brass-cased 5.56 approaching or surpassing .40 cents a round, the .20 cent a round steel-cased 7.62x39 ammo is damn cheap by comparison. Also, when taking steel-cased ammo into the equation, the prices are often identical for the two rounds. There is a lot of reasons to either buy the rifle or not buy the rifle, but ammo cost isn't remotely relavent here, especially when comparing two calibers...calling one cheap, and one expensive, that are typically available at IDENTICAL prices

http://centerfiresystems.com/digitalpubs/centerfire_preelection/#?page=36 Actually, it looks like .223 is $10 MORE per k at this point in time
 
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FIVETWOSEVEN said:
5.45x39 ;)

One man's trash is another man's beauty.

Not for me.

I don't see how it's overrated, if anything I can see it as being underrated.

Is it just me or do many firearms from when rifling was invented have similar sites?

Which means?

Just like the FAL, M14, etc? I don't find them awkward and the magazine design is stronger with an AK. Sure it's not as fast but I don't see soldiers out in the field doing speed reloads like you see in 3 gun.

Swap weapons and it would be the other way around. Vietnam is a good example. The VC had horrible training compared to NATO forces. "Better" weapons wouldn't have saved them as the weapons themselves don't have the ability to think so it wasn't the weapon's fault the owner was killed. Heavier than it needs to be? I don't have an issue with the weight and compared to the M14 and FAL, it's a lightweight.

Don't turn this into one of those annoying AK Vs. AR threads.
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The man said talk him out of buying an AK. I gave him good reasons why he should not. The rest of you have failed to understand the intent of the thread. I never said anything about getting an AR instead

Yes, the AK sights are the same as have been used since rifling was invented. Better sights have been developed since then. In fact, better sights were developed long before Mikhail was itching his daddy's pants. It's time to move on.

AK is heavier than it needs to be. There are lighter rifles that will perform just as well. The AK is lighter than a FAL or M14 but not by much and the FAL and M14 are more powerful weapons.

Anyway, enough thread drift. Back on topic- WinThePennant, I'm your pal. Buy an AK and next thing you know, you'll be swilling bad vodka and looking up babushka porn on the internet. DON'T RISK IT!!
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I gave him good reasons why he should not.
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and I gave good reason why your good reasons aren't good. I don't care what he says, I'm not talking him out of an AK. :)
 
MistWolf said:
The man said talk him out of buying an AK. I gave him good reasons why he should not. The rest of you have failed to understand the intent of the thread. I never said anything about getting an AR instead

Yes, the AK sights are the same as have been used since rifling was invented. Better sights have been developed since then. In fact, better sights were developed long before Mikhail was itching his daddy's pants. It's time to move on.

AK is heavier than it needs to be. There are lighter rifles that will perform just as well. The AK is lighter than a FAL or M14 but not by much and the FAL and M14 are more powerful weapons.

Anyway, enough thread drift. Back on topic- WinThePennant, I'm your pal. Buy an AK and next thing you know, you'll be swilling bad vodka and looking up babushka porn on the internet. DON'T RISK IT!!
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They've also developed better sights for AKs, so it's a non issue.

The FAL and M14 are indeed more powerful. But, heavier nonetheless. And, MUCH more expensive to feed. There's no getting around that.

He said talk him out of it. I'll not oblige.:neener:
 
I love the AK for what it is -- simple and reliable, but when they cost as much as a decent AR, IMHO its a no-brainer to get the AR!
 
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