Talk of Violence Amongst Radical Hispanic Activists

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Minutemen Go Inside Latino Immigration Meeting - Racism Espoused, Calls for Violence Against "Whites"

by Linda Muller - Minuteman Project - ForTheCause.us




There are many radical Latino groups calling for the violent overthrow of their "white" oppressors and the return of the American west to the mythical Aztlan from which they believe their land was stolen. Many Americans do not believe these fringe groups have any power and influence, so they dismiss them as harmless. Yet these groups continually draw U.S. Congressmen and staff members to their meetings. Corporate benefactors and foundations contribute funds and other means of support that enable these groups to thrive and proliferate. Recently, two representatives from Jim Gilchrist's Minuteman Project attended a meeting of the National Alliance for Human Rights, whose coordinator is Armando Navarro, a professor at the University of California, Riverside. Minuteman Project National Spokesman Raymond Herrera and National Rally Coordinator Robin Hvidston, two of Gilchrist's most street-savvy rally organizers, were alarmed by the racist rhetoric that permeated the meeting, punctuated by calls for violence against "white" people.



UPDATE:
Minuteman Project National Spokesman Raymond Herrera talks about the radical latino groups with Kevin Shannon, host of, The Right Source Radio Show. Listen to a mp3 of the show...

Kevin Shannon Website...
Two members of the Minuteman Project attended an "Emergency immigration meeting" in San Bernardino coordinated by Armando Navarro of the National Alliance for Human Rights.

The reason for calling this meeting, according to NAHR, is that "Mexicano and Latino efforts to push for a comprehensive humane immigration reform at this time lack the requisite mobilization power to influence the now Democratic controlled Congress."

The announcement for the meeting said, "Time is ticking and so if we are to be successful in pressuring the Democrats and Bush Administration to act on immigration reform, as a community must act now.

We need to ignite the fires of activism that produced last year's historically unprecedented marches and mobilizations of millions of Mexicanos and Latinos."

The meeting was held in a library meeting room and during introductions Minuteman Project National Spokesman Raymond Herrera and National Rally Coordinator Robin Hvidston said they were with the Minuteman Project. Navarro said even though he was barred from Minutemen meetings Herrera and Hvidston would be allowed to stay.

"He then made a comment about the Minutemen being racists," Hvidston said. "I replied the Minutemen are multi-ethnic. He said if the Minutemen interrupted the meeting, he would have us removed. I said I was merely correcting his inaccurate statement."



After referring to the Minutemen as racists, Navarro gave opening remarks. He talked about the recent ICE raids. Then the floor was open for comments. "I was astounded by the nonstop hate talk about 'white' people," Hvidston said.

"There was talk of how poorly Latino children are doing in school. White people were blamed. Talk about raids at work sites by ICE. White people were blamed. Talk about not enough Hispanic school teachers. White people were blamed. Talk about imprisonment of Latinos. White people were blamed," Hvidston recounted.

"People stood up and gave testimonials about white people being the cause of poor education, prison sentences, police brutality… They used slang such as 'gavachos' to refer to white people."

One man named Victor said he had just gotten back from Washington, DC. He said the Mexican congress members, who were recently in Washington, were not treated right. He said the Hispanic Caucus needs to do more for Latinos. Most of all, he said Latinos are disturbed that the new Democratic congress is focusing on Iraq rather than immigration reform and this had better change.

Navarro is planning a march for March 17th in San Bernardino. He said they will be calling on cities such as L.A. to join them. He said if civil disobedience is needed to stop any future ICE raids, so be it. One man stated that if guns and violence are needed, they should use violence to overwhelm the white people. He encouraged the community to take what they want by overwhelming and overpowering force.

Robin Hvidston believes the group is nervous because they still do not have amnesty, even with a Democratic majority in Congress. Raymond Herrera stated at the meeting that Navarro's leadership is much needed in Mexico, to fix Mexico. Raymond believes that there is a Mexican Revolution taking place, but that it should move down to Mexico where it can do the most good.

Also in attendance at this February 13 meeting in San Bernardino were three staff members from Congressman Joe Baca's office. Baca represents California's 43rd District and he is a member of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. According to Hvidston, most of the attendees do not believe Baca is doing enough to help the Latino community. "They stated repeatedly, that in the 'Inland Empire' there are too many Republican congress members."

The National Alliance for Human Rights describes itself as a network of leaders, activists, scholars and organizations committed to the promotion of human rights, social justice and political empowerment of the Latino community in the United States.




http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1785998/posts


This is somewhat scary
 
Mexican outrage

easy answer - offer Mexico back to the Indians who had THEIR land stolen from them by the Spanish and continued by the Mexicans - sit back and listen to the screams.
 
While everyone is BS'ing, one very real National Defense scenario back in the 80's was that Mexico was compromised by the Soviets.

Soviets...Al Qaida...Venezuela? What's the difference?



America is dying...BUY GUNS NOW!!!
 
easy answer - offer Mexico back to the Indians who had THEIR land stolen from them by the Spanish and continued by the Mexicans - sit back and listen to the screams.
You realize that 'Mexicans' are 'the Indians' of Mexico, right?

The strain of cracker Castilian blood that conquered and ruled has little presence in the general population.
 
That's a stretch, SS, and you know it. Somewhat disengenuous of you. You consistantly defend the Reconquista/Aztlan types. Why is that?

Whatever. When they open the dance, we'll Tango.

Biker
 
The article itself really isn't worth responding to. Unsubstantiated claims from a bunch of rejects with an agenda.

But I guess one point is worth it:
There are many radical Latino groups calling for the violent overthrow of their "white" oppressors and the return of the American west to the mythical Aztlan from which they believe their land was stolen.
Who are these, what are their numbers and what actions have they taken?

Note the language they use about Aztlan. (Some) Chicano activists chose that name precisely because it is derived from Aztech mythology. They don't actually believe that the American Southwest is Aztlan.

I guess you can't expect paranoid bigots to know anything about that which they oppose.
 
That's a stretch, SS, and you know it. Somewhat disengenuous of you. You consistantly defend the Reconquista/Aztlan types. Why is that?

It's not a stretch. I see it right here on this board. Everytime the subject of illegal immigration comes up, we get people talking about setting up sniper towers and shooting illegals on site. On the subject of those 3 illegals being killed in Arizona, the San Diego Minutemen said something to the effect of, "In the US, we call that cleaning the gene pool" .. That kind of talk scares me.

Also, I've never defended Reconquista/Aztlan types. I've always stated that they are fringe extremists that you guys give too much creedence to.
 
The strain of cracker Castilian blood that conquered and ruled has little presence in the general population.
Cracker? How dare you steal a derogatory term for white Americans and try to bestow it on Spaniards.
 
SS...

Define "You guys" Mr Pot, or is it Mr Kettle? After that, come up with some documentation for the SD Minutemen "gene pool" quote, if ya would.

Biker
 
Define "You guys" Mr Pot, or is it Mr Kettle?

You guys = people who are all up in arms over this whole "Aztlan" thing. As if such a thing is even possible.

After that, come up with some documentation for the SD Minutemen "gene pool" quote, if ya would.

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/11026033/detail.html
Local Minuteman founder Jeff Schwilk said he urges his followers to obey the law and protest peacefully.

But in an NBC 7/39 report, an e-mail from Schwilk called one migrant supporter a "Korean, anorexic, ACLU slut." In another e-mail, Schwilk reacted to the deadly shooting of an illegal border crosser in Arizona. Schwilk wrote, "In America, we call incidents like that 'cleansing the gene pool,'" NBC 7/39 reported.


Also, watch the video here..
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/11039155/detail.html
 
Aztlan may or may not be possible, but there are many hispanics who believe that it is - many with 'juice' - so that makes it a credible threat.
As to the illegal supporter, maybe she was how he described her. Don't know her, personally.

Biker
 
Everytime the subject of illegal immigration comes up, we get people talking about setting up sniper towers and shooting illegals on site.

It is quite unfair to leave out the moats, barbed wire, land mines, and various man-eating predators.

Seriously, the rhetoric is overblown on both sides. The Aztlan folks are frustrated by the economic disparities between Mexico and the US and are trying to justify moving to a better economic climate by claiming a right of return to the origins of their ancestors. The anti-illegals folks are frustrated by the illegality of foreigners just waltzing into their country. Talk of conquering the Southwest or shooting illegals just raises the noise level and makes it more difficult to solve the problem.
 
It is quite unfair to leave out the moats, barbed wire, land mines, and various man-eating predators.

Yah, I guess I did. :)

Seriously, the rhetoric is overblown on both sides. The Aztlan folks are frustrated by the economic disparities between Mexico and the US and are trying to justify moving to a better economic climate by claiming a right of return to the origins of their ancestors. The anti-illegals folks are frustrated by the illegality of foreigners just waltzing into their country.

Agreed 100%
 
Look, I'm not trying to start a flame war, I am simply saying that there are those within the radical Hispanic activist community who are closer to violence than the others.

As for the MM thing, look, I am sure there are racists amongst the Minutemen. But, by and large, that is rare. Rare enough that the media has to search far and wide to find them, and then, has to do it's best to paint them as the "spokesmen" of all the anti-illegal groups.

For you crazed_ss to grab an example of one guy that makes controversial statements, and has a MySpace "friend" who is "racist" and paint him as the "Minutemen" or to imply that our side has nearly the racism, or malevolence that La Raza, or El Plan De Aztlan has is crazy.

The only group I know of that is surely racist that is anti-illegal is the Stormfront boys. And they don't really get along with the Minutemen. (And by that I mean they hate each other)

I've listened to and read stuff by the La Raza, and Aztlan people, and they are racist, and they have a definite desire to conquer the SW USA, whether by demographic "breed out" methods, or by violence if that doesn't work.

Can it happen? Yes. But, if it does, it will be over my dead body.

If that is racist, than I guess I'm a racist. But, I have never made a statement about going after "Mexicans" or hating anyone based upon their skin colour, or ethnicity. Only upon another's desire to control my life, or hurt my country.

Look on some of the La Raza websites. Look on the Minutemen websites, and you'll see a definite difference. I know I have.
 
Biker said:
Whatever. When they open the dance, we'll Tango.

Bless your heart.

As for the discussion, let these nutjobs keep talking. The can sit there till they are blue in the face and call me every dirty name in the book. Everybody is a badass on the internet or when the 'other' guy isn't around.

What these people don't realize is that they are raising the ire of those that would otherwise gloss over this issue. For the first time, I'm seeing people putting down their latte and taking a good hard look at this problem. One of my neighbors even fired their landscaper when he couldn't prove all of his workers were legal. (As an interesting aside, apparently this chap thought that he was entitled to both of my neighbors garden hoses along with some assorted tools as severance pay. Needless to say I disagreed)

At the end of the day I don't think its going to come to anything close to armed revolt. Cowardice knows no race. However in the unlikely event that it does, these aztlan warriors are going to find out I operate alot differently than those national guard fellas down at the border.
 
I dunno man, I read the www.saveourstate.com board. Those guys seem pretty extreme. It's not like they're against illegals.. they seem to have a serious disdain for anything and everything Hispanic. You got people ranting about how they dont want their children going to school with "Dirty Mexicans" and complaining about stuff like Mexican music being played at Del Taco. Some of the rhetoric over there is downright vicious. I do realize that SoS is a different group than the minutemen though

I also recognize that the SD Minutemen have been having some issues lately.
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/10966395/detail.html

Maybe Mr Schwilk was just letting off some steam with such comments. He probably should be a little more careful with his words since he's supposed to be the leader of the Minutemen in SD though. If the leader of a group talks like that, it does a disservice to his followers.
 
SOS is alot more extreme than the Minutemen, crazed_ss. But, look at it this way. They are close to it. Most of the rhetoric of MM farther away from the border is different from the rhetoric of MM closer to the border.

I know you live in SoCal crazed_ss, and I have plenty of family down there. If you tell me you don't see a problem with illegal immigration, or that there aren't problems in your state over this issue, than I'm just gonna shake my head.

While I don't have any problems per se with Hispanic culture, I do have problems with the issues that result from states with higher illegal immigrant populations, and I would be complaining if it were Japanese, or Irish, or English, or Iraqi, or Zulu, or (you get the point).

The issues that SOS talks about and has problems with are fueled by the fact that Hispanics in the border regions regularly form insular communities, do not learn English, attempt integration with any segment of the local population, and then proceed to take advantage of the social services available while refusing to become "American."

This doesn't really happen with most of those other groups. Not alot of Vietnamese or Chinese do that. Most become very American within a couple of generations. Most African immigrants generally integrate into one or more subcultures in the US. But, atleast along the borders, this isn't happening with Hispanics. Even once they are American, many of them still declare "I am a Mexican." In fact, I have often heard this sentiment.
 
Well said, Mord. Many do not want to become Americans, they want to import Mexico to America while enjoying the benefits we have to offer. I don't take kindly to that. And to sidestep some of your politeness, I *do* have problems with aspects of Mexican culture. Very much so.

Biker
 
Personally, I have never been directly effected by illegals, but I am very aware of the social problems that unchecked immigration can cause. I dont really care if Hispanic peoples have insular communities. As long as they pay their taxes and live within the law, I could care less what language they speak or what kinda music they listen to.

I think the immigration debate is tainted by a lot of emotion and extremism though. One side thinks they're entitled to be here and the other side thinks we're being conquered by an invading army.
 
Well now, they're *not* entitled to be here and we *are* being invaded. This is painfully obvious to any clear thinking person and if you pay taxes, you *are* being directly effected by illegals.
Just the way it is.

Biker
 
A huge part of the issue with the Hispanic influx is that it is mostly illegal and, thus, uncontrolled.

The issues that SOS talks about and has problems with are fueled by the fact that Hispanics in the border regions regularly form insular communities, do not learn English, attempt integration with any segment of the local population, and then proceed to take advantage of the social services available while refusing to become "American."

This doesn't really happen with most of those other groups.

Ever been to Chinatown or Little Italy in big cities? Ethnic enclaves are a valuable stepping stone in the integration of immigrants into America. They provide a familiar environment from which most new immigrants can make the transition to American culture. But some immigrants, particularly older ones never make the transition, leaving that change to subsequent generations.

We don't complain about most ethnic enclaves because they are small and non-intrusive. Heck, most people like the uniqueness of ethnic enclaves. When an ethnic enclave is too large (Southern California?), it becomes intrusive and Americans get uncomfortable.
 
Only one "race" is not allowed to be racist in America. For the others it is considered being true to thier roots, or doing a duty etc. The irony is great. However human beings have always been racist, it has been a natural selective process. Even the Bible is prejudice, entire cities of ethnicites that lived a moral code contrary to the word of Moses, or were not of the chosen people and had land or women needed by them, were killed to the last man woman and child, with the land salted, and such actions were justified and considered to make the world a better place.

Animals are also racist. Various types of wolves will attack eachother even though they can produce healthy offspring and are not that geneticly different. The same can be said for many large cats which are fertile when mated together, but will attack or kill eachother on site most of the time in the wild. Or perhaps bears, when Polar Bears, Grizzlies/Browns etc can mate and produce healthy offspring. Only because they are racist towards eachother do they remain distinct and seperate species. Examples of this go on and on.

In fact from an evolutionary standpoint, it would be a way of allowing variations and adaptions to be implemented, because changes can only occur if the gene pool is limited to similar breeds, or races, and would be retarded by the inclusion of a much larger and diverse gene pool, slowing any change or evolution greatly as as many steps backwards would be taken as forwards.

So I do not think racism is going to stop any time soon. However people need to get over it because if you look at the world population, the poorest most undeveloped cultures have the absolute highest birthrate and those are also the cultures that massivley immigrate to developed nations. Those societies and nations with the highest education have the lowest birthrate. This includes Japan, and most "white" nations, if your inclined to view it that way. In fact in the USA it is only because of immigration that we do not have the same situation, so in essence you could say that the already present "white" population is shrinking, and the immigrants replacing it stabilize the growth rate. If you look at a chart with layers of age groups, the highest in a large population growth should be the youngest ages, and look like a pyramid with the eldest the smallest represented number at the top, and the largeest section of the children making up the base. However this is not the case in many developed nations when you take out the immigration factor. So the human population is having a reverse evolution so to speak, where the least advanced societies and cultures are outpopulating the rest.

Only through warfare did some cultures replace less capable ones, as the most capable ones would be more advanced and prevail in killing the opposing populations more effectively. However as the world becomes largely more peaceful, or at least has far fewer casualties per capita in war, and medicine is expanded to less developed nations, the population growth rate of the least advanced societies and cultures is no longer impeded and far exceeds others.

Birth control, planned parenting etc are all unique to developed nations, and so a lower birth rate is directly proportional to education level of societies and communities. So the least educated overpopulate and outbreed the more educated, because they tend to allow births to happen as they will, which contrasts with the planning and limiting of thier family size according to desire and financial capability as is done by people with a higher education level. At a local level this is encouraged because they are given aid taken from the educated population in taxes and which is then dispersed to those in the most dire financial situations, such as having far too many children for a given income, in the form of welfare and many free or reduced cost services for them or thier children. Or on a global scale through aid given to third world nations by wealthier devoloped nations.

So get used to changing demographics, because it is going to happen whether you like it or not.
 
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