Talk of Violence Amongst Radical Hispanic Activists

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Whatever. When they open the dance, we'll Tango.

I see their threats to violence likened to a Union meeting with a bunch of PO'd people spouting off. Talk, not results, venting if you will.


My thinking is this.

There is only one flag you should ever wave on the steps of Washington DC. Get that wrong, well, duh! It's not going to help your cause.
 
Thank you Zoogster.
At least you're honest.

Actualy I think racism in America is quite silly as it is identified through color which is a very small part of the gene pool, and represents only a very small portion of human genetics, in fact arguably one of the least significant parts.

You realize that 'Mexicans' are 'the Indians' of Mexico, right?

The strain of cracker Castilian blood that conquered and ruled has little presence in the general population.

Actualy that is quite incorrect as most of the population is technical "mestizo" which is a mix of native, african, and hispanic genes primarily. However the self identification of "mestizo" is greatly descreasing as the term is becoming a slang term used by others to mean natives that "forget thier true heritage". When in fact it means mixed, which is what most of the population of Mexico is.
It is all the rage, and stylish to self identify with a native culture, especialy since due to many of the atrocities commited over the generations the actual heritage dating back prior to early Spanish conquest is difficult if not impossible to ascertain. The skin color and some features of the conquering ethnicity combined with portions of native and african blood is very similar in appearance and nobody will tell someone thier claimed self identity or that of thier parents or gandparents was incorrect. So people can create thier percieved heritage based on what is the most desirable option in the region of origin. Since the United States has a tradition of highlighting and creating a sense of entitlement to minorities due to prior abuses, it is in style to imagine one's self as a Native that would have been better off if only... and any current situations which are disliked are a result of interferance and wrongs commited against them.

When in fact the culture and lifestyle of an Aztec was quite brutal. A system which revolved around religious extremism, mythology, and human sacrifice, slavery, and astrological study. With many unique achievements, but far from better than even the worst case scenarios of modern American life.

However identification with natives over other aspects of cultural history is more politicly motivated than geneticly accurate. However those traveling to America are in fact largely a higher percentage of native than the general population of Mexico because they tend to be the poorest within Mexico and therefore have the greatest incentive to travel elsewhere. While much of the successful middle class and elite in Mexico have a predominantly Spanish heritage.

As for Aztlan etc, the Aztec and Myan empires were located very far south of the current border, with the northernmost point being not far from Mexico City, which also was the Aztec capital, and extending through central America.

However since most 'natives' within the Americas came across the land bridge connecting Alaska and Siberia, technicaly all south of modern US borders would have passed through the US in the journey south at some point in history. However many seperate groups crossed at various points within a many thousand year period, so are not all direct descendants of eachother, and some quite distinct.

The current border region is a very hostile climate, and without modern irrigation would have been far from ideal habitat, so most traveling through it from north to south would have avoided settling in the desert region altogether. However there is notible exceptions, and carved rock structures to prove it. Yet most of the region was claimed by New Spain, and previously by Spain, as all of the New World was granted to Spain or Portugal by the Pope in the Papal Bull Inter caetera.

So even though Spain did not settle, guard, patrol, or otherwise use much of it's claimed territory, and outside of a few missionaries hardly had explored or traveled through its claimed areas, it felt entitled to them. Much of Spain's interest in the New World was exploitation of material, primarily mineral wealth, (as well as spreading Catholicism) so the more area ownership was claimed the more all inclusive the mineral rights to the Spanish crown. New Spain would include much of the same borders which Aztlan supporters refer to as previously belonging to them.

However Aztlan supporters are taking a very politicly motivated snapshot of a short portion of history for a modern political objective.
 
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Before we go after these guys shouldnt we be worrying about racial hate groups like the KKK, the World Church of the Creator, and other groups which have already commited acts of violence?

I notice that I dont seem to see a lot of people talking about hunting them down or gunning them down in the streets. Why is that?
 
Before we go after these guys shouldnt we be worrying about racial hate groups like the KKK, the World Church of the Creator, and other groups which have already commited acts of violence?
We did and have for a long time. They exist in very limited numbers, and are outcasts of the mainstream culture they claim identity with, unlike Latino extremists and the Aztlan supporters in the hispanic community. They also do not impact our economy whatsoever in modern times, and have virtualy no political power, so are not important. The radical hispanic activists however enjoy mainstream support from the large hispanic community and so wield significant political power.
The hispanic activists are able to accomplish a lot and achieve success by turning economic problems about illegals into racial issues backed by the majority of the community. The hate groups you mention get little to no support and have no voice, and instantly lose support by making issues racial.

So there is a significant difference, the difference predominantly being that the "white" american mainstream public will not tolerate racism from thier community, but the mainstream hispanic community embraces and nurtures it for political purposes.
 
Name me one country throughout history that hasn't been won or kept by FORCE. The native Americans(is that the pc term?) came from Siberia and took America from the Anazazai (sp?). The preominately white europeans took America from the natives.

If La Raza or whoever thinks they can take it from this crop of Americans, by all means give it a try!:evil: :rolleyes:

Same goes for Muslim extremists or any other racial or religious group. If you can take it and keep it, then you deserve it.

Human nature and history.


It's not the force I'm concerned about it's the bleeding hearts and politicians trying to get massive block votes.:fire:
 
<sigh> here comes crazed ss to the rescue to call anyone racist if they don't welcome our new Mexican overlords.

Hmmm.... if I have a choice between those "racists" wanting to take over our country and those "racists" wanting to defend it.....
 
You guys need to come to NJ, there are more illegals here than I saw when i lived in So Cal. They are a drain on the local economy. I have a house across the street fom me that is a migrant worker flop house. Every 3 -4 months a new group of Hispnics move in with either Pennsylvania or North Carolina liscence plates. At any give time there are 10 people living there. The town will not do anything because the Feds will not deport or even come and pick them up. Now there is a group of small school age kids which the bus using my tax dollars picks up each morning. In NJ it is now illegal for the school system to ask parents for a childs SSN # because it might intimidate the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and keep them from sending their kids to school ILLEGALLY. I am not making this up, it is a huge problem. The local hospital estimated last year it spent 8 million dollars on charity care for illegal immigrants. That was the hospitals words in the paper. :banghead:

It is understandable that poeple are so frustrated that they speak out of turn or advocate something they would normaly not sanction. I am not condoning their words, just understanding that they are coming out of frustration. i have said things that I would not normally do out of anger as I am sure everyone reading this has.

As it was stated earlier, at least people are noe talking about the issue. We will see haw many of them actually vote when time comes to change course.
 
This whole thing is nuts. American Constitutional Rights are for AMERICANS. If someone wants to visit as a tourist, they are temporarily covered by our laws while they are here as our guests. If you want to come here to work, just as my grandparents did almost 100 years ago, then do it right, get what work visas you need and realize that you have X number of years to become a citizen or be deported. Have a Nice Day..

THe reason the Govt doesn't care about deportation is because when these illegals work and have taxes taken out, they can't file for a return...so the gov makes MORE MONEY! Of COURSE they love that!! Find the money....find the problem.
 
I am thoroughly confused about something ... if these Mexicans want to take over a large portion of the USA and drive out the "whites" - just who the heck are they going to work for then
TallPine raises a good point; after the Mexicans have taken back their "ancestral home" if they don't do any better job maintaining and developing it than they have Mexico there won't be much left worth owning in a generation or less. Unless of course they are successful in getting foreign aid from what is left of the U.S. It seems to me that if the illegals here from Mexico had a life so devoid of opportunity and hope in Mexico they would be better served to change their own country for the better; they have the numbers all they need is the will.
 
Also, I've never defended Reconquista/Aztlan types. I've always stated that they are fringe extremists that you guys give too much creedence to.

Yeah! Fringe exremists, kind of like violent criminals. What's up with all you guys owning and carrying guns because you're scared of them??? Don't you know they're all talk and no action???

^ That, AH SAY, that thare's SARCASM!

It may be a reversal of the "good guy/bad guy" side in my eyes, but I wonder how many Britons thought the same way about those uppity Colonists back before 'the shot heard round the world?' :confused:

EDIT - the first supply predicted an attack of the source of the article. I can't prove it now of course, but I was going to also "predict" that anyone who showed concern over illegal immigration and violent II supporters would THEMSELVES be labeled racist and violent...:rolleyes:
 
308, why should they fight for their own country when we're letting them take ours without a shot being fired?? Pretty smart, if you ask me.
 
You got people ranting about how they dont want their children going to school with "Dirty Mexicans"...

Please provide the thread and poster who allegedly posted that they did not want their children going to school with "Dirty Mexicans". I searched with just that very term, and found ZERO hits for comments relating to school children.

I call B.S. on Crazed_SS's statements.
 
BobCav - That is exactly my point whether it is Mexican, Somolies, Iraqis. Our recently elected Democrat governor sent a letter to the Federalies asking them to include Ohio out of any plans to relocate Iraqi 'refugees'. We aren't standing up for our interests (more accurately, many of our elected 'representatives aren't standing up for their existing constituency they are pandering to a potential constituency). I have written letter after letter and sent fax after fax from the Numbers site to my two Senators and neither respond because both of them are diametrically opposed to my views. I only hear from them on the rare occasion I agree with something they have done. On the other hand my House Representative (Tiberi) responds everytime and explains his support for something whether I have agreed or not. Now I realize that it is an aide and a canned response but at least his office cares enough to acknowledge that I have contacted them about something.
 
So get used to changing demographics, because it is going to happen whether you like it or not.

I do agree the face of America is changing however to say we should "get use to it" is a different matter. It is simply the large numbers that is hurting the country in terms of schools, health care, services. In my opinion America is breaking in many areas. We can slow the tide and make coming changes more manageable, no country can survive without controlling borders.
 
So get used to changing demographics, because it is going to happen whether you like it or not.

Ah, the inevitability of Third World domination? Don't be so sure. Large historical events have a way of knocking the train off the tracks. Desperate people have a way of doing dramatic things.

The civil war in the U.S. has already begun. Some of you appear to not be aware of the recent hate crimes in Highland Park (Los Angeles), where "Latinos" (read: recent illegal Mexicans) are "cleansing" the black population, or in Long Beach (ditto), where blacks ganged up on a few white girls. The gangstas have pretty much had it all their way so far and no doubt they feel invulnerable. My comment to them: warlords come and go, usually violently.

The LAPD has estimated that fully sixty per cent of L.A. gang members are illegal aliens from Mexico and Central America. These folks constitute a foreign army within our midst. The only people who don't get that are apparently in the illegal alien pressure groups and on Pennsylvania Avenue.
 
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308, they do not need any will, just the ACLU.

The problem in my opinion, is we have legislated jobs that were once done by our youth to the illegals. Here is why I say that, In NJ when I was younger I recieved my working papers at 14 and legaly joined the work force( I had been working before that in local shops ). Now, the cild labor laws are so stringent companies do not want to take a chance with someone under 16, forget about 14. I do not know about anywhere else, but when was the last time you saw a paperboy on a bike @ 6am delivering newspapers. Now all I see is NY liscence plates doing a u-turn in my driveway and throwing it at the edge of my property. Same thing goes for working in restraunts and grocery stores and anywhere else teenagers used to learn work ethics for minimum wage. So when it is made damn near imposible to fill these positions with legal adults, who do not live 15 people to a house and do not have to pay for healcare because a hospital will treat everyone, etc and can not afford to live on $5/hour and the kids can not work because of the onerous labor laws that are to complicated to figure out by the business owner, we getthe problem that we have now. Couple that with the potential voting black by granting them amnesty and it almost looks like this was the plan all along. Tax the Americans to death so all they have time to do is work, sleep and work to pay to live here and they will be too tired to do anything about anything. Subjugation and serfdom. Yeah, that does sound a little conspirecy thoery, doesn't it? :confused: But it is something to think about.
 
American Constitutional Rights are for AMERICANS.
I think I bring this up every time people get up in arms about la raza - show me the caselaw.

To argue that "constitutional rights" only apply to citizens would be to argue that laws only apply to citizens - that you are free to rob, rape and murder any non-citizens as you may please.
 
It's no scarier than all the anti-illegal people who advocate killing illegals.
For every white supremacist, anti-illegal person who advocates killing illegals there's probably about a thousand La Raza (The Race) and Azatlan types who advocate killing whitey.

Every time someone points out non-white racists, the comeback is always "yeah, but what about Aryan Nation or the KKK" as though there's some sort of equalivency and us white people should shut up because we're "just as bad if not worse".

The fact is that I and most other whites in this country are disgusted by and revile the white supremacist crowd ... and we condemn them at every turn.

Yet latino radicals are not shouted down by other latinos. Black radicals are not shouted down by other blacks and Islamic radicals are not shouted down by other Muslims.

Racism has always existed (even before there were white people) but in our culture its used as a tool to end honest debate ... call a white a racist and you win by default because the blue eyed devil will have to just cower and run away or be called an even worse racist.


Its time for the HUMAN RACE to stand up and end this silly bickering over Melanin. I mean if people want to kill each other over ideals, that is unfortinate but makes some sense but "you're darker/ligher than me so you must die!" is just dumb.
 
For every white supremacist, anti-illegal person who advocates killing illegals there's probably about a thousand La Raza (The Race) and Azatlan types who advocate killing whitey.

"Evidence schmevidence. I know!"
 
To argue that "constitutional rights" only apply to citizens would be to argue that laws only apply to citizens - that you are free to rob, rape and murder any non-citizens as you may please.

Rights, as in protection under the law, is one thing; full entitlement to benefits is quite another.

To argue that non-citizens and especially illegal aliens are entitled to the full benefits of American citizens is either outright foolish or openly disingenuous. It defies common sense. Destroying the distinction between citizenship and non-citizenship cannot be a logical disposition of the law.
 
If illegal aliens want a Bosnia right here in the U.S.A. they have only to keep rousing the rabble. So far ethnic violence has been largely under the cover of "ordinary criminality;" if and when whites start to feel specifically targeted because of their race, you will see a massive sea-change in the nature and scope of their response. Machismo has a way of deluding people about how formidable they really are--or aren't. Right now we are still in the Era of Good Feelings. May that continue. The vast majority of whites do not see themselves these days as a great racial tribe; way too many non-whites are still in the tribal mode.
 
If you want a slightly different (clearer) view of this

situation, make friends with some legal Mexican immigrants.[p]

I have many friends among the legals in Texas, largely second-generation, some first. Most of them resent the illegal situation and the illegals more than any of us. (I stop short of using the word "hate".)[p]

This may be because they are often tarred with the same brush as the illegals, but also largely because the illegals are taking their jobs even more than they're taking the jobs of American Anglos.[p]

The answer, of course, is to elect Hitlary so that she and the rest of the liberal front can stand at the border and wave everyone in, promising jobs and "amnesty".[p]

Bah, humbug![p]

ElZorro
 
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