tall tales

[HankB]

. . . People manage to do amazing things at times. I certainly don't believe shooting 1 hole groups at 600 yards with iron sights is common. I have never seen it done. I don't even know that it's possible. I'm just not willing to say never when I've seen so many things I would have sworn weren't possible before I saw them . . .

Any regular shooter will eventually do something that's pretty amazing - like I wrote earlier, I once shot a quarter inch group at 100 yards with my .30/06 M70.

Once.

That's just statistical probability in play.

The challenge is doing it on demand. Since this is the "Tall Tales" thread I thought that ad copy with a testimonial of a guy who was shooting one hole at 600 yards regularly with iron sights was appropriate for inclusion as a tall tale.

 

[redneck2]

The prairie dogs I shoot at are maybe one inch wide and two or three inches tall. And you guys are shooting them at one thousand yards??

I just got got back from a prairie dog hunt in Montana. They're roughly the size of the bottom of your foot.

The ones you describe are most likely chipmunks.

Hitting a prairie dog at 1,000 yards is typically not a one shot deal

I have a friend that is absolutely incredible. We were shooting one day, and he wanted to shoot at a soup can with his iron sight .45-70. This was a medium size can, maybe 32 oz. So he sets it out at about 150 yards. I can just see it, let alone try to hit it. He takes one sighter, then rolls the can five shots in a row. Wish I was close to that good

He's hit running deer at about 80 yards with a .44 mag. Also hit 4 of 5 with the same pistol on running coyotes. With a pistol, I'm lucky if I can hit a barn from the inside

 

[Warp]

I only got to shoot one AQT at the Appleseed I went to, and I wasn't happy with the result. It earned me my rifleman patch, but I plan on going back and getting a better score after I get some transition practice in.

Everybody with a rifle should attend one. Lots of fun, and good training for cheap.

If you do Saturday only you might only get one AQT. But if you do Saturday and Sunday you will get quite a few more than that on Sunday afternoon.

I of course completely agree.

And I think it's great in the context of "tall tales", you'd be amazed by the people who know how to shoot/are expert shots, who try out the AQT and don't do as well as they had hoped.

Which is great, because all it takes is a little bit of 'perfect practice' to get their abilities, and thus scores, up where they want them.

 

[Warp]

Any regular shooter will eventually do something that's pretty amazing - like I wrote earlier, I once shot a quarter inch group at 100 yards with my .30/06 M70.

Once.

That's just statistical probability in play.

The challenge is doing it on demand. Since this is the "Tall Tales" thread I thought that ad copy with a testimonial of a guy who was shooting one hole at 600 yards regularly with iron sights was appropriate for inclusion as a tall tale.

Exactly.

Here is one of mine.

Don't ask me to do it again! The first shots of the weekend. Shot using a red dot sight with no magnification and bulk ball ammo.

 

[d2wing]

Goon, I am a trained and certified expert on several weapons and also a certified NRA instructor. I have seen some great shooting and some fantastic shots. I have no reason to doubt you. Others I have reason.

 

[happygeek]

The one I went to I don't remember any AQTs on Sat. They shot 3 on Sun morning, this was my best



and then I left since the wife was tired of being there.

I need to get back to one eventually. It's really good, free training on the fundamentals. All it cost me was gas money, $10 I donated to the range, and about 300 rounds worth of 22LR.

 

[goon]

Goon, I am a trained and certified expert on several weapons and also a certified NRA instructor. I have seen some great shooting and some fantastic shots. I have no reason to doubt you. Others I have reason.

Roger that.

Exactly.

Here is one of mine.

Don't ask me to do it again! The first shots of the weekend. Shot using a red dot sight with no magnification and bulk ball ammo.

Nice! It's always prudent to immediately stop shooting when you pull something like that off. But you have to act like you meant to do it... so everyone else will think you did.

 

[Ankeny]

The prairie dogs I shoot at are maybe one inch wide and two or three inches tall.

The picture of the dead p-dog in post 134 is a typical p-dog around here. The critter is bigger than my foot and I wear a 13 EE boot. As far as the post being a "brag board" I merely posted in reply to another poster's comments regarding off the shelf rifles, in particular, Savage rifles.

Last week I sent two rifles to Weaver rifles. The barrels were burned up shooting varmints. Both had around 5,000 rounds through them. I also have a 6mm BR going back to Krieger for a barrel that went South from shooting varmints. That's the third tube for that rifle. I just bought a new 6.5 Creedmoor to take the place of my 6.5-284 while it is out of service for a new barrel. Some of us shoot a lot of varmints.

 

[Thermactor]

I hate people who lie about their abilities. I have no ego or desire to exaggerate my ability. I'm proud to admit that I can't hit a barn from inside the barn. No harm, no foul, and no agenda.

 

[taliv]

Just to cut to the chase I'll post a photo of a target shot from 600 yards with iron sights. It's no 1" group but it's pretty darn good.

i was squadded with her at the snipers hide cup this year. nice lady. very fancy rifle!

Quote:
http://www.varminthunters.com/forum/...ad.php?t=79186
These guys do some pretty amazing shooting. But, it's the best of equipment and tons of practice. They do the stuff most of you guys are mocking

They're hitting regular eggs at 700 yards. Many of them have prairie dog kills at 1,000 yards

and those guys live just up the road from me...

small world

I don't like shooting around inexperienced shooters and mall ninjas anyway.

i bring inexperienced shooters to the range every chance i get. a lot of them start out pretty ninjy but get less so with a little experience. try it.

 

[SilentStalker]

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Goon, I am a trained and certified expert on several weapons and also a certified NRA instructor. I have seen some great shooting and some fantastic shots. I have no reason to doubt you. Others I have reason.

How does one prove this stuff? I shot a .37" group this weekend with my .243 in prone position and I can do so with a pretty good amount of repeatibility. So, I don't consider that a big deal. I could take pics and post the group but that doesn't really prove anything. It was 47 degrees, don't remember humidity off the top of my head, 24" barrel shooting Berger 105 hybrids at 3042 fps roughly. It's just a well built rifle. If it doesn't shoot well it's purely me.

And, to be honest I am sure there are plenty of people out there that never realize their potential and may be better shooters than those at Camp Perry and such. Some people have skills they never even knew they had.

 

[ljnowell]

I love the claims that someone can shoot their whatever flavor gun in 1" groups all day long at 25 yards.

I'm a bullseye shooter. Usually when I take one of these people to the range I find out that what they though was 25 yards was actually about 25 feet and their 1" groups are actually about 3" groups.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Heh!

I challenged my wife to a BB shoot at the last Boy Scout whatzit we did last summer. That was a full week of absolute fun for the kids! Every day was an archery and BB event for them, two of the favorite activities for any Boy Scout event. I ran the archery range and another guy ran the BB range.

My wife, who was running the whole shebang that summer, came out and challenged me to a BB shoot. We went strictly bullseye shooting...whomever got the most in the black dot on the paper.

Unknown to her, I had already anticipated this and had printed up my own special target...an 8 1/2" X 11" paper target that was a huge dot covering the page from one side to the other!

I won.

 

[jlr1962]

Tell us Chief, did any of the kids shoot at you?

 

[d2wing]

Well Silent, I don't have an answer. And what you say about potential is true. People do have varying degrees of innate ability. With the right training you can maximize your ability. Many people can be a decent shot even with bad habits and lack of training. But to be a top shooter you should have knowledge and good training from the start and lots of practice. Some folks are gifted shots and some get lucky once in awhile. But some folks are known liars too and some claims are very doubtful. As another guy said, some guys ways of estimating are not accurate, understatement. I take most guys word for it, but I don't bet money on them either unless they have verifiable credentials. Lots of very good shooters on here and a few windbags. I have opinions no one is required to agree with.

 

[greywolf444]

I just challenge them to a $5 a shot, first one out of the bag, at whatever range they claim. Can I always win?. nope. But it will only take 5 bucks to find out if you can. So far none of the big talkers has taken me up on it.

 

[Cee Zee]

I love the claims that someone can shoot their whatever flavor gun in 1" groups all day long at 25 yards.

I hope you don't include rifles in this "whatever flavor gun" category because if I had a rifle that wouldn't shoot 1" at 25 yards all day I'd throw it in the Ohio River. My cat can shoot better than that. (obvious sarcasm before the "no she can't" folks get their knickers in a wad)

i was squadded with her at the snipers hide cup this year. nice lady. very fancy rifle!

That's a mighty impressive target she shot there too for shooting with iron sights. The trick is being able to see the target well as I understand it. It's mighty hard to make out a 12" target at 600 yards with the naked eye but if you have a 6' target to aim at hitting it near the center is apparently possible.

I just challenge them to a $5 a shot, first one out of the bag, at whatever range they claim. Can I always win?. nope. But it will only take 5 bucks to find out if you can. So far none of the big talkers has taken me up on it.

So far??? You have 28 posts on this board. When did you issue this challenge? BTW where do you live. It would have to be close just for 5 bucks. But if you're close I'll take your challenge. I live near Cincinnati. The trick to this "challenge" would be knowing which rifle shoots well with a cold bore. Most don't when compared to a bench rest style rifle. Temperature is something that must be controlled to shoot really well.

Since this is the "Tall Tales" thread I thought that ad copy with a testimonial of a guy who was shooting one hole at 600 yards regularly with iron sights was appropriate for inclusion as a tall tale.

Again that sounds pretty tall to me too. I never meant to imply anyone could do that. I just don't want to say never because I've seen some truly amazing stuff done with firearms. Like Bob Munden shooting through a washer tossed into the air. The covered it with paper to make sure the bullet went through. It did. That was incredible. So was his ability to draw a handgun and shoot multiple targets in such a short time it sounds like one shot. There are other shooters like that. They seem to be some other species to me but they're out there.

 

[ljnowell]

I hope you don't include rifles in this "whatever flavor gun" category because if I had a rifle that wouldn't shoot 1" at 25 yards all day I'd throw it in the Ohio River. My cat can shoot better than that. (obvious sarcasm before the "no she can't" folks get their knickers in a wad)



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Obviously.

 

[Cee Zee]

Obviously.

LOL sometimes nothing is obvious around here friend. BTW 25 yard, 1" groups with a handgun are not impossible but they surely aren't common. But there are exceptions. I looked up some Bob Munden videos after my last post just to make sure I wasn't saying something wrong. That guy was insane was a handgun. He must be an alien. Well he was an alien. I really wanted to see him shoot in person but I never got the chance. But there are others. They really don't seem human.

 

[redneck2]

I used to work part time at the LGS. We had a guy that was a competitive shooter come into the indoor range to shoot his pistol (Glock IIRC). He'd flip a target backward and run it to the ten yard line, then put one hole thru the center.

He'd then proceed to put the rest of the mag thru the same hole. Granted it was chewed out just a little, but it was always one hole. And not a whole lot bigger than one round.

Said the smaller aim point made him concentrate

We had a LOT of guys that couldn't keep it on the paper at that range

 

[ljnowell]

LOL sometimes nothing is obvious around here friend. BTW 25 yard, 1" groups with a handgun are not impossible but they surely aren't common. But there are exceptions. I looked up some Bob Munden videos after my last post just to make sure I wasn't saying something wrong. That guy was insane was a handgun. He must be an alien. Well he was an alien. I really wanted to see him shoot in person but I never got the chance. But there are others. They really don't seem human.

I'm a bullseye conpetition shooter. I have shot many 1" groups at 25 yards. Anyone that claims to do it "all day long" is either a liar or a professional.

 

[redneck2]

You seem to be misinformed. To some, the term "all day long" is equal to our "once in a blue moon".

 

[ljnowell]

You seem to be misinformed. To some, the term "all day long" is equal to our "once in a blue moon".

Lol! It must be a regional thing.

 

[Cee Zee]

I'm a bullseye conpetition shooter. I have shot many 1" groups at 25 yards. Anyone that claims to do it "all day long" is either a liar or a professional

Golly man can't you allow someone to agree with you? I said it would take a super human to do it all day long. But there are some seemingly super humans out there. Call them professionals if you like. Some do exist. And some do post on boards. I have known super shooters to post on boards similar to this one. It does happen but too often people say they're lying. So they stop coming. That's what I wish wouldn't happen. That's why I will never say "never". There are some who can do it. There aren't very many but there are some. I'd be surprised to find any on this board but it does happen.

If I was free to do it I would include copies of correspondence I have had with actual super shooters. I know they don't post on boards because people call them liars too often. We all know it's rare but like you said pros can do it. I'd like for those pros to post on these boards so we can learn from them. That's all I want. I don't dispute what you said. It's obvious that it's rare to see someone that can shoot as well as you mentioned (1" groups at 25 yards all day). I really don't dispute that. In fact I looked up some info. The record for bullseye targets had 159 of 270 shots hitting the "X" ring. I don't know how that breaks down between the 50 yard shooting and 25 yard shooting but apparently the bull is the same size on either target at just over 1.6". So even at 50 yards a round that would score in the X ring at 25 yards should almost always score in the x ring from 50. I may not understand the sport at all. I just went by what I read. But from what I see there even the very best don't shoot 1" groups all day long from 25 yards. And there's a big gulf between the very best and the merely good that many on this board might be.

I've shot some decent groups at 20-25 yards but I wouldn't even think about claiming a constant 1" group size with any of my pistols. And some of my pistols shoot very well IMO. I'm sure there are plenty of people who shoot better than I do on this board but they would have to shoot a "whole lot" better than my to get 1" groups at 25 yards all day. A WHOLE LOT better.

equal to our "once in a blue moon".

So all I gotta do is shot a blue moon just once and that's equal to shooting 1" targets at 25 yards all day? Heck I'm in now.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Tell us Chief, did any of the kids shoot at you?

Just the occasional sweeping with bow and arrow by the very young ones. Attention on the archery range at a scouting event is pretty heightened, of course! The more help I have as Rangemaster by the older kids, the easier it is.

I've run the BB range a few times, too. Same issues with sweeping, but it's far more likely to happen there because of the mechanics involved in little kids pumping the BB guns. The younger they are, the harder it is for them and those BB guns will swing EVERYWHERE if you aren't really watchful. I generally station an older scout alongside each kid in such times (if I've got that many helpers) to help safely pump the guns.

You always have some good shooters in the mix, but they're not the ones who bring me the most satisfaction. The ones who really light up my day are the ones who start out not being able to a thing who manage to get even a single BB on target. Their faces just light up with the joy of their accomplishment!

I don't care how good someone else may be, there is nothing like the moment a child scores his first hit!