Taser fails, clerk resorts to gun (or, fired for breaking company policies?)

[velobard]

Every single one I have ever talked to has always said, let them have what ever they want, its not worth your life.

I agree completely. If that's all it will take to get them to leave peacefully, they can take what they like from the store, regardless of whether or not I'm armed. The problem is that there are many cases where the BG doesn't let it go at that and continues to be a threat. At that point I'm defending myself, regardless of any company policy. Where do you have a problem with that?

 

[TAB]

I don't have a prob with that, I do have a prob with people breaking the rules( rather it be company policy or laws) and thinking becuase the out come was a good one there should not be repercussions.

 

[csmkersh]

I never said that, all I said was if he broke company policy he should be fired.

So clerks should get killed to save you on your COMP premium? Don't think I want to do business with you.
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[hrgrisso]

Lethal Force Encounter

Sorry TAB I respect property rights of owners and businesses, except where the public is welcomed into the business, i.e. retail.

2nd: Your comment about escalating the situation etc. If you've already been thwacked on the head, you've already had deadly force used against you. There is no escalation of violence.

I'm sorry this clerk ended up in the hospital.

 

[rainbowbob]

If he broke company policy, he should be fired.

Tab:
You're kidding us, right? You should use smiley faces when you post something like that so we'll know it's a joke.

 

[Thernlund]

I remember a year or two ago there was a couple of Subway employees closing up for the night. Teenagers. Just kids. Couple guys came in and robbed the place before they had locked the door. After getting money, one of the BGs shot and killed them both.

It was all on the security camera and they showed it on the news. Very disturbing.

BGs aren't resonable, so why excpet a "lay down" policy to be a successful one?


-T.

 

[TAB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by TAB
I never said that, all I said was if he broke company policy he should be fired.

So clerks should get killed to save you on your COMP premium? Don't think I want to do business with you.

I never said that, but they all know that if they break company policy they will have a check by the end of the day. All of my policy have to do with safety and appearance. If you break a policy and it ends up costing me money or might cost me money, your gone.

 

[Dravur]

I find it amusing that...

a company keeps to the old mantra.... give the bad guy anything he wants....
I wonder if those 5 ladies at Lane Bryant did that. But, apparently, the guy wanted their lives.

That's the difference.... you do not know what they want when they are committing their crimes. Perhaps they want no witnesses. How would you give that to them?

If I was in his shoes, I would have shot as well. If they fired me, I would make as big a stink with the local papers as I could. but, Im vindictive that way.

 

[Thernlund]

If you break a policy and it ends up costing me money or might cost me money, your gone.

Ah. There it is. The all mighty buck. More valuable than moralist ideals and human lives any day of the week.


-T.

 

[TAB]

Ah. There it is. The all mighty buck. More valuable than moralist ideals and human lives any day of the week.

nope its a mater of me staying in biz, which in trun is about me being able to feed my family. Mistakes are one thing, willfully breaking policy is another.

 

[RustyShackelford]

I'd rather get fired and live then...

get killed by some career criminal/felon.

Company policy is one thing but self defense is another.

In my state, the law requires at least 2 employees in a store at all times, if not then it must close after 1100pmEST.

I'd never work in a store anywhere alone in an urban area at night. I've talked to many people who are in retail/food service/etc. Most have said they've been robbed at gunpoint at least once, .

Rusty

 

[Thernlund]

nope its a mater of me staying in biz, which in trun is about me being able to feed my family. Mistakes are one thing, willfully breaking policy is another.

Well, I hope your family can dine comfortably knowing that one of your employees paid for your dinner with his life.

And with that... thread lock!


-T.

 

[MICHAEL T]

TAB, My sister did as she was suppose to by company policy . The BG didn't care about company policy . Nearly beat her to death. She spent 2 mo in hospital almost a year off work and several operations to repair damage. Screw company policy. The BG attacked the clerk He has right to defend himself .

 

[romeo212000]

All I am saying is this. The company is free to have whatever policy they want whether I agree with it or not (which I dont). I also have the freedom to ignore the policy for my own safety, but I knowingly assume the responsibility that if something should happen I am breaking company policy and expect reprocussions. But no job is worth my safety. I worked in this situation for some time and ignored company policy knowing that if the company ever found out, I would lose my job and I accepted that.

 

[outerlimit]

I never said that, all I said was if he broke company policy he should be fired.

TAB, are you allowed to carry on the job?

I've never worked at a job where carry was allowed by corporate policy. Should I have been fired from all of my jobs? Hypothetical question here.

 

[TAB]

Well, I hope your family can dine comfortably knowing one of your employees paid for your dinner with his life.

And with that... thread lock!

How can you even say that? that is so not THR. Thats not even low road.

 

[Thernlund]

How can you even say that? that is so not THR. Thats not even low road.

You're absolutely right. But that's how it is and I'm sick of mincing words. If you institute a policy that prevents your employees from defending themselves, YOU are responsible for what happens to them on the job. They die by a gunmans rage in an attack that they could have prevented if not for fear of losing their job, it's on you.




-T.

 

[TAB]

TAB, are you allowed to carry on the job?

If I had my CCW, yes I would be(moved to a county that will not renew or issuse them, unless your friends of the sheriff). my employees are alloud to carry as long as they meet 2 reqs, they are legal in doing so ( IE CCW, in a none prohibated place) and the prop owner consents.

 

[TAB]

if you have a prob with my policys, don't work for me. Other then my "5 mins earily is on time" policy, all of my policys are based on my exp and/ or the law.

 

[outerlimit]

I personally would not be able to work for you TAB, but I admire your honesty.

Cheers

 

[RoadkingLarry]

If he broke company policy, he should be fired.

Yup, much better to be dead but in full compliance with company policy, the thieves prefer it that way.

And I have to agree with outerlimit, I couldn't work for Tab either. I also find you "5 mins early is on time" policy offensive.

 

[macadore]

All I am saying is this. The company is free to have whatever policy they want whether I agree with it or not (which I dont).

Why?

 

[romeo212000]

Because this is capitalism and that is the perk of being able to own private property. As the owner of my own property I am free to tell you you cannot wear shoes on my property, and if you do, I have the right to ask you to leave. And if you do not I have the right to charge you with trespassing.

 

[nplant]

Although I don't agree with TAB, you guys gotta understand that he's being literal. When he says "if you violate company policy, you should be fired," he IS NOT saying, "if you carry a gun and defend yourself, you should be fired."

Personally, I think Cosmoline hit the nail on the head, policy-wise, but TAB is correct in his line of thinking, and technically speaking, it doesn't exclude necessarily the employee carrying or using a gun to effect personal defense.

C'mon folks, TAB may not hold the same ideals as some of us, but he did not say that he wished that people would follow the rules to death.

 

[Wheeler44]

TAB, where to start?

if you have a prob with my policys, don't work for me. Other then my "5 mins earily is on time" policy, all of my policys are based on my exp and/ or the law.

The bolded part of the quote is deemed unlawful in many states, you would be fired by me as an employee in this case and hit with a claim to recover the 25 mins. a week I lost to you for every week I worked there.

Do you think that your corp could handle that?

Now about your experiences, they are not my experiences and as I can tell by your posts that you are not an expert in everything they might not pertain to me. Your fired again.

Your post that I paraphrase here " blindly follow my "Policies" or be terminated" would get you fired again.

Yep, no way this independent thinking believer in personal rights would work for you either.

Back to the original post. The employee and the Corp have more reason to stand together at this time than not. Who has the deep pockets? It ain't the night shift worker fer sure.
Who was being beaten? it ain't the Corp fer sure again.

Yeah Arco should not fire the guy until after the lawsuit is settled and by then the guy could start one of those gun training programs because he's shot more folks than some in the industry.