Taurus 4410 45LC/.410 revolver for home defense?

[Pyzon]

Of all the guns in the world I'd rather be shot with, a .22 Short out of an NAA mini or a .410 shot shell from a Taurus would be a toss up.

Does that include 000 Buckshot ?

I've found my handloaded 3" shells with lead BB or even #2 shot are acceptable in penetration as a HD or VD choice, without endangering the kids down the hall or the dude down the street. Especially at realistic defensive range of 3-5 yards.

But leave the birdshot out of the HD picture unless that's all you can come up with, cause that is mighty weak even if your attacker is buck naked.

 

[MCgunner]

The new Federal stuff is pushing 1200 fps out of a pistol barrel with 4 .33" 000 buck shot. Personally, I ain't volunteering to be the test medium.

 

[junior geezer]

000 buck is .36"; 00 is .33"

 

[kludge]

Pyzon,

No, I was talking about "bird" shot.

But for the life of me I can't figure out why someone would want a gun that big and that heavy just to shoot a round that is marginal at best for bad guys (buck or slugs from handgun) or totally ineffective (bird shot).

Why not just get a .45 colt and save an inch? Or a .44 Special? Either will penetrate enough BG.

Heck a snub nose .38 will penetrate more BG than a .410 slug.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Of all the guns in the world I'd rather be shot with, a .22 Short out of an NAA mini or a .410 shot shell from a Taurus would be a toss up.

For your sake, you had better pray it's a 22 short out of a mini and not the 3 to 5 000 buckshot pellets per round out of a Judge. Think 3 - 5 38 special rounds per pull of the trigger.

 

[cleetus03]

To those wishing to view the commercial or video on the Judge's effectiveness during a carjacking, it can be found on the following link. He demonstrates the "pulverizing" power from his car at minute 1:41 on the video.

http://www.taurususa.com/video-theJudge.cfm?

 

[kludge]

Meh.

Now try it with something other than paper.

 

[kludge]

Think 3 - 5 38 special rounds per pull of the trigger.

000 buck is still only 73gr./pellet

38 SPL is 125-158 gr. I'll keep my .38, thanks.

 

[GEM]

Buy a standard handgun like a Glock 19 or a SW Model 10. Load it with quality SD ammo. Learn how to use said gun in self-defense scenarios.

Much better solution that some gimmick gun. Just my IMHO. I dislike the idea that it is pushed for the untrained as some guaranteed stopper that you don't have to aim.

 

[Hawk]

Meh.

Now try it with something other than paper.

Agreed. While I thought I was beyond being surprised by advertising antics, one has to admire the chutzpah of someone using Shoot-N-C targets to illustrate anything's "pulverizing power".

Or, as Birchwood Casey puts it:

These revolutionary self-adhesive targets explode in color upon impact. And the bright yellow ring around the bullet hole is visible to the naked eye – allowing you shot after shot without interruption. So forget hunting for cans; load up on SHOOT-N-C targets and let the fun begin!

I guess we'll get a demo of the awesome power of a .45 Colt cowboy round next via a jug of Tannerite.

But, whatever else, you gotta give this thread props for having more lives than a cat. It started late 2006 and struggles ever onward.

 

[junior geezer]

000 buck is still only 73gr./pellet

73 grains and .36 calibre. think of it as one round fired from a judge being the same as being struck by 3-5 balls fired from a navy-calibre bp revolver. and the fact that a .36 navy revolver might fire a ball at 1050 fps really doesn't figure in...

it is a fact that, specific to the Kansas-Missouri border war, when powder supplies ran low, the Missouri "ruffians" were ordered to load their revolvers--inconsequential of calibre--"half-charge only." the troopers having done so, there were no complaints from those in the field--men engaged in combat--as revolver performance had not suffered.

 

[Pyzon]

I guess this thread will go the same as the other "The Judge" pissing contests have....too heavy....too big.....bad shotgun.......poor .45 Colt accuracy.......birdshot, slugs, and on and on and on.

Some of us like/hate 9mm, .380, .22, .40 yada yada yada.

Is a birdshot loaded .410 shell out of a short barrell a good choice for defense ? Compared to a garden rake, yep. Compared to a well placed .45 JHP ? Guess that comes down to the term "well placed". What are the statistics regarding the average number of rounds fired versus the number that strike the intended target ? By a large margin, lots of shots fired do not come close to being well placed. What happens to the ones that miss ? They all hit something unintended, maybe only the ground, but maybe not.

Now, the arguments for or against The Judge are usually whether or not it does this or that the best. In my personal scenario, I'm pretty worried about possibly killing my kids down the hall or the dude pumping gas down the street. When I load 32 lead BB into a 3" .410 shell, I'm choosing a compromise between safe and lethal as it works for me. Best choice ? How can we ever know ? The best choice is always going to come down to whatever you're holding in your hand when the proverbial SHTF,be it gun,knife or baseball bat. And let's not forget that we're talking a realistic range in a defensive encounter of 3-5 yards.

Sure, #6 birdshot is not a good choice unless that's all you have, so take advantage of the fact there is a choice. 000 buck ? Now were getting warmer, and of course .45 Colt is real fine in most everyone's book, and my Judge shoots it pretty good

Gimmick gun ? No worse than those peewee .22 cal revolvers a lot of folks stuff in their pockets every day.

It's the choice of what I want to stuff the cylinder full of that makes it fun to shoot.

And like a lot of other guns out there, if your opinion is based on something other than shooting The Judge, well heck, you're just whistling Dixie I guess.

 

[suemarkp]

000 buck is still only 73gr./pellet

38 SPL is 125-158 gr. I'll keep my .38, thanks.

Why does that matter? Do you think the 000 has insufficient penetration? To me, that's the only reason to increase the weight. If the balls expanded like a 38 special, then that would reduce penetration. And you're still getting 3-5 simultaneous "38 special" shots with each pull of the trigger. That has to have some additional effect, but I don't think anyone really knows how to quantify multiple projectile terminal ballistics.

The lower weight projectiles are a benefit if you're trying to reduce range and collateral damage from pellets that miss or over penetrate. And to me, that's the whole purpose of this gun.