Taurus 605, beauty only skin deep...
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MCgunner
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You bought a gun without inspection? Self inflicted pain IMHO. You got what you deserved.
jad0110
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I agree, returning it for another at the store is the best option, especially when it comes to Taurus. I sent a model 94 back to them and it came back with a nasty gram and more screwed up than it was when I sent it to them. What a miserable experience. Some people have good experience with the CS (which seems to happen when there is a full moon, all the planets are lined up in some specific way, etc), but the polls I've seen on THR and others consisently put Taurus customer service in the bottom 5 (Ruger and Springfield OTH are at or near the top).
bikerdoc
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Mine has worked fine since 04.
shootniron
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Why don't you get real for crying out loud. Some people may not have the expertise to diagnose this...do they not have a right to expect a NEW gun to run properly. You can let your love for them blind you to thier QC problem, but it does NOT change the fact that the problem exists. Many Taurus guns are JUNK from the factory as evidenced by this thread and it is not the fault of the purchaser.
OP, you know what to ignore and what has credence.
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oldfool
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ok, we get it McGunner..
manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the buyer, not the fault of the manufacturer
hmm.. what do y'all reckon those gun sellers do with those guns that people like you and I inspect and walk away from ?
send 'em to Bud's Gun shop to sell on-line to people who have 400 mile long arms... or just put 'em back in the box under glass ??
Some LGS owners would send 'em back to factory, yes they would, but don't tell me they all do, because if that were the case, the manufacturer must have a heckuva higher not-yet-inspected outside the factory so not-yet-returned rate than believable.. leastways based on how many I walk away from.
but I guess that just makes me the other half of the problem... aka "Taurus QC philosophy" (?)
A) manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the buyer
B) manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the non-buyer
C) ship it
manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the buyer, not the fault of the manufacturer
hmm.. what do y'all reckon those gun sellers do with those guns that people like you and I inspect and walk away from ?
send 'em to Bud's Gun shop to sell on-line to people who have 400 mile long arms... or just put 'em back in the box under glass ??
Some LGS owners would send 'em back to factory, yes they would, but don't tell me they all do, because if that were the case, the manufacturer must have a heckuva higher not-yet-inspected outside the factory so not-yet-returned rate than believable.. leastways based on how many I walk away from.
but I guess that just makes me the other half of the problem... aka "Taurus QC philosophy" (?)
A) manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the buyer
B) manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the non-buyer
C) ship it
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76shuvlinoff
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Can't buy into this except for an older heavily used firearm.
We all should expect a quality product when we lay our quality money down. As far as I am concerned any firearm manufacturer should be held accountable up to and including jail time for allowing a dangerously faulty product to reach the public. Especially the new-to-guns buyers that are putting their faith into a product that's supposed to allow them some level of protection.
That said I have a ratty and rattley beat to hell Taurus 82 .38 project gun that runs like the energizer bunny.... so far.
jad0110
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Okay, I'll back up MC on this one. Granted, I may not have put it as bluntly, but in the end, I accept that it was my fault for buying my NIB Taurus 94 without carefully inspecting it first. If I had, I would not of purchased it. I also got gun fever when I found my used 3" S&W Model 13, and did not notice that the cylinder was not square with the F/C (the cylinder gap ranged from .011 to .016). That was my fault, and it cost me about $75 IIRC to get it fixed.
Manufacturing defects and crappy QC are the fault of the manufacturer. However, some lemons will always slip through, no matter how careful a company may be. That goes for any product. With most higher dollar purchases, I do my best to inspect as much of the product as possible before I buy it, be it new or used.
If you believe a particular manufacturer does a poorer job of QC than others, don't patronize that manufacturer. That's really the only way to do it without bringing Fedzilla and scads of lawsuit happy lawyers into the mix.
oldfool
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I aqree with that jad, I do
keep the lawyers out of it
just keep your hard earned dollars in your pocket and walk away
but the rest of the story is -
"we ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto"
On-line gun sales are getting an ever bigger chunk of gun sales nationwide, new guns and old guns. Buyer cannot do proper due diligence inspection from afar. That puts the onus of responsible and adequate QC right where it belongs, on the manufacturer.
Anybody really think outfits like Bud's could fully check out every gun themselves ? Not and still offer the pricing they do. Neither buyer nor middle man ought have to do the manufacturer's job for them. I feel as much for the LGS as anybody on this topic. Most of those folks run on a pretty thin profit margin as it is. They should not have to carry that extra weight. When they do right, like they did in this case, go the extra yard for them in return.
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Pleased to hear that one still running good for you 76. I remember when you picked it up; a lot of those old beaters are a real good bang for your buck.
"Can't buy into this except for an older heavily used firearm."
I agree with that, too. "looking for checkout" only goes just so far. NIB stuff unfired,you are not going to know but just so much until you send some downrange.
Never pass up a chance to carefully check 'em out, new or old, before you buy, but LGS ain't going to let you break down and totally disassemble a NIB gun right there on the counter top.
At least with the old ones that have sent lead downrange, you check 'em out in the store, I think your odds are actually better, in many cases.
keep the lawyers out of it
just keep your hard earned dollars in your pocket and walk away
but the rest of the story is -
"we ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto"
On-line gun sales are getting an ever bigger chunk of gun sales nationwide, new guns and old guns. Buyer cannot do proper due diligence inspection from afar. That puts the onus of responsible and adequate QC right where it belongs, on the manufacturer.
Anybody really think outfits like Bud's could fully check out every gun themselves ? Not and still offer the pricing they do. Neither buyer nor middle man ought have to do the manufacturer's job for them. I feel as much for the LGS as anybody on this topic. Most of those folks run on a pretty thin profit margin as it is. They should not have to carry that extra weight. When they do right, like they did in this case, go the extra yard for them in return.
PS
Pleased to hear that one still running good for you 76. I remember when you picked it up; a lot of those old beaters are a real good bang for your buck.
"Can't buy into this except for an older heavily used firearm."
I agree with that, too. "looking for checkout" only goes just so far. NIB stuff unfired,you are not going to know but just so much until you send some downrange.
Never pass up a chance to carefully check 'em out, new or old, before you buy, but LGS ain't going to let you break down and totally disassemble a NIB gun right there on the counter top.
At least with the old ones that have sent lead downrange, you check 'em out in the store, I think your odds are actually better, in many cases.
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76shuvlinoff
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Other than a .357 blackhawk I recently sold this was only my 2nd revolver purchase and my first DA revolver purchase. My intention is to round up a nice Ruger or Smith, or both, but life being what it is has stalled further moves into the wheelgun world. I am sure there are alleged higher quality revolvers in my future but for the time being I will accept the possibility that ignorance is bliss. That one puts holes where I point it, my wife and daughter are working well with it so I am not feeling much pressure to upgrade yet.
JR47
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You know what, you guys MUST be right. So.......I'm getting rid of all of my POS S&W revolvers. I've had problems with them for long enough now. Don't talk to me about how they are almost all great, I know better.
In my experience many guns from S&W are junk from the factory. I know, my last three all had to be returned due to malfunctions. Then, look at the number of recalls S&W had had. Just pure crap.
Maybe the used ones are better. They ARE the survivors, after all. The rest of their manufacturing mates have long since been turned into scrap. Should have been only a small change necessary.
Wow, I feel better now. Obviously, bashing a trashy gun company is good for the soul.
Oh, and just put S&W shaving lead into Google and watch what you get.
In my experience many guns from S&W are junk from the factory. I know, my last three all had to be returned due to malfunctions. Then, look at the number of recalls S&W had had. Just pure crap.
Maybe the used ones are better. They ARE the survivors, after all. The rest of their manufacturing mates have long since been turned into scrap. Should have been only a small change necessary.
Wow, I feel better now. Obviously, bashing a trashy gun company is good for the soul.
Oh, and just put S&W shaving lead into Google and watch what you get.
oldfool
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let us know where you are selling 'em JR, and at what price
I know a few guys looking for some
thanks !
I know a few guys looking for some
thanks !
MCgunner
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I inspect Smiths, too.
To all who think you should buy a gun blindfolded, I assume you can READ since this is a BBS you're on...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=1430
That's why I don't buy guns online.
To all who think you should buy a gun blindfolded, I assume you can READ since this is a BBS you're on...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=1430
That's why I don't buy guns online.
clem
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"Gun was shaving lead off, throwing it back in my face. A nice chunk hit my ear, making it bleed." (It could of been your eye/s).
Get a lawyer and sue Taurus!
That might get thier attention about the junk they are putting out!
Get a lawyer and sue Taurus!
That might get thier attention about the junk they are putting out!
oldfool
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"That's why I don't buy guns online."
me too, McG, although I have done so.. but very infrequently
had my LGS order me in a Marlin 1894C carbine (hard to find at the time) and a hard to find Browning 22 octagon barrel rimfire rifle
(both good, no problemo)
bought at least two vintage S&Ws, a 6" k-17 and a 4" j-63, from vendors on-line of exceptionally high reputation, Jim Supica and Collectors Firearms in Houston
(both good, no problemo)
two vintage S&Ws, 6" k-48 and 4" j-651, from gunbroker, holding my breath the whole time, knowing the risk
(both good no problemo)
six out of six, I figure I beat the odds, though none of them were cheap deals
but I ain't in any hurry to bust my batting average
pretty pictures on web sites, always a gamble, any fool knows that, no matter the brand
have never bought from Bud's, not saying it could never happen
at least their pricing keeps street prices down some
I like buying local 1st person as much as possible, for multiple reasons
which is where I bought my last Taurus, 6" older model 66 38/357, well used but still a good 'un... (energizer bunny as 76 said)
but also where I have walked away from too many other Taurus guns I handled there, NIB
me too, McG, although I have done so.. but very infrequently
had my LGS order me in a Marlin 1894C carbine (hard to find at the time) and a hard to find Browning 22 octagon barrel rimfire rifle
(both good, no problemo)
bought at least two vintage S&Ws, a 6" k-17 and a 4" j-63, from vendors on-line of exceptionally high reputation, Jim Supica and Collectors Firearms in Houston
(both good, no problemo)
two vintage S&Ws, 6" k-48 and 4" j-651, from gunbroker, holding my breath the whole time, knowing the risk
(both good no problemo)
six out of six, I figure I beat the odds, though none of them were cheap deals
but I ain't in any hurry to bust my batting average
pretty pictures on web sites, always a gamble, any fool knows that, no matter the brand
have never bought from Bud's, not saying it could never happen
at least their pricing keeps street prices down some
I like buying local 1st person as much as possible, for multiple reasons
which is where I bought my last Taurus, 6" older model 66 38/357, well used but still a good 'un... (energizer bunny as 76 said)
but also where I have walked away from too many other Taurus guns I handled there, NIB
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you haven't lived till you shoot a new gun and feel something hit you in the head then feel something running down your face. no not a taurus either. i bought the first naa .22 i saw. went to shoot it and it sprayed my hand and forehead with lead. went back to the house and picked all the little shavings out, just a few hit my forehead, but my hand was full of lead splinters. wouldn't buy another one of those for years either, now i carry a .22 mag pug all the time.
MCgunner
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I do buy Pietta (mostly, though one ASM in the past) from Cabelas. Ain't been burned, yet, but know if I were, I could send it back to Cabelas and get one that worked. They run these sales, you see, and I just CANNOT resist! I got a 5.5" '58 steel frame Remmy a while back for 180 bucks and, BOY, is that a fun, accurate, NEAT revolver!
But, I don't have a FFL anymore. I used to be a "kitchen table dealer", as Cutter Bill used to call us in between training sessions with whitehouse interns, and I got some guns delivered that had to be returned to the suppliers. None were Taurus. I will NOT buy anything through a dealer sight unseen now days, new or used. It's just too easy to pick up a revolver and SEE if the timing is off. Don't even take tools to do that.
But, I don't have a FFL anymore. I used to be a "kitchen table dealer", as Cutter Bill used to call us in between training sessions with whitehouse interns, and I got some guns delivered that had to be returned to the suppliers. None were Taurus. I will NOT buy anything through a dealer sight unseen now days, new or used. It's just too easy to pick up a revolver and SEE if the timing is off. Don't even take tools to do that.
oldfool
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I don't use tools either, but mostly only because I never have a bore light, nor a set of feeler gauges in my pocket when I really need 'em !
"CANNOT resist" I understand real well, McG
I never did buy any gun on-line or not carefully inspected 1st person until 5-6 years ago.
But patience has it's limits, when it comes to an itch unscratched for too many years.
Five great-grandchildren growing up too fast, and me moving ever slower, ain't gonna live forever, got to roll the dice a few times (no matter what brand or outcome).
Not as harsh criticism as that might have sounded.
Just "chance and circumstance", that's all
respects
PS
good memories of a good guy, a "kitchen table dealer", like you, just a guy who believed in RKBA and would give a buddy a good deal on price
come to think of it, bought milady's 3" SP101 from him, back when they were a new thing.. trustworthy, both the gun and the man
"CANNOT resist" I understand real well, McG
I never did buy any gun on-line or not carefully inspected 1st person until 5-6 years ago.
But patience has it's limits, when it comes to an itch unscratched for too many years.
Five great-grandchildren growing up too fast, and me moving ever slower, ain't gonna live forever, got to roll the dice a few times (no matter what brand or outcome).
Not as harsh criticism as that might have sounded.
Just "chance and circumstance", that's all
respects
PS
good memories of a good guy, a "kitchen table dealer", like you, just a guy who believed in RKBA and would give a buddy a good deal on price
come to think of it, bought milady's 3" SP101 from him, back when they were a new thing.. trustworthy, both the gun and the man
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buddyemily
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Sorry to hear about your problems with your 605. My 605 has been great out of the box. Hope you get satisfaction.
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