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Green Latern. There are Taurus 605s,85s,and other snubbies that are .38 Special or .357 magnum. This is all the power you will need for self defense.
Behold for example, Buffalo Bore Ammo which is designed for use in snubbies at eithrer +P or standard pressure loads. They are know the level of performance that other ammo has to comapre itself against.
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Standard Pressure Short Barrel Heavy .38 Special Printed Order Form
Standard Pressure Short Barrel
Heavy .38 Special
Item No. 20C/20 158gr. very soft lead cast, SWC-HC gas checked bullet — 854 fps (256 ft. lbs.) from S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel Per Box of 20
$20.99
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Item No. 20D/20 Very hard cast 150gr. WAD CUTTER bullet — 868 fps (251 ft. lbs.)from S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel Per Box of 20
$20.99
Order Now
Item No. 20E/20 Speer Low Velocity uni-core 125 gr. Jacketed hollow cavity — 921 fps (235 ft. lbs.) from S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel Per Box of 20
$20.99
Order Now
Standard Pressure, Short Barrel, Lower Recoil, Heavy 38 SPL
Due to customer demand, we’ve developed this defensive 38SPL ammo. Our customers wanted some devastating 38SPL loads that would fill the following criteria.
It won’t hurt older/fragile/alloy revolvers. (Non +P)
Is effective as a “fight stopper” through the use of proper bullets.
Is more powerful than typical/standard, weak 38SPL ammo.
Generate much less recoil than our +P 38SPL ammo.
Is flash suppressed.
Buffalo Bore is introducing these three different heavy, yet standard pressure loadings for 38 SPL. These offerings are loaded at standard pressure, but they are much more powerful than normal 38SPL ammo. These loads will not harm older more fragile revolvers. So, these loads are safe for use in ANY 38 SPL revolver, provided it is in normal working condition. As stated above, the “POWER” level of these loads is really closer to a typical +P power level, but the pressure is standard. We are able to develop these powerful standard pressure loads with modern non-canister powders. Again, these loads recoil far less than our +P 38 SPL ammo.
All three of these loads are flash suppressed, so firing them in the dark wont blind you. We use flash suppressed powder in our defensive ammo, in the loadings we can, because over 90% of all civilian shootings in America, occur in low light, when the criminal element is at work. We don’t want you blinded by your own gunfire after the first shot.
Item 20C utilizes the same 158gr. very soft lead cast, SWC-HC gas checked bullet, we load in our +P 38 SPL ammo. It is designed to expand and then penetrate quite deep. (Approx. 14 inches in human tissue) This bullet is gas checked and will NOT lead your barrel. Note the below velocities that I recorded out of my personal revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!
S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—854 fps (256 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—871 fps (266 ft. lbs.)
Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—930 fps (303 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—979 fps (336 ft. lbs.)
Item 20D utilizes a very hard cast 150gr. WAD CUTTER bullet. The bullet is made hard, so it won’t deform or mushroom. It cuts/crushes a “cookie cutter”, full diameter hole in human flesh just like it does on a paper target. It penetrates deeply (roughly 14 to 16 inches in human tissue) and its full diameter profile maximizes blood loss as it cuts and crushes (not slips or slides) its way through tissue. Although I’ve never been shot with a full profile wad cutter bullet, I must assume that the initial impact of that wide flat nosed bullet, is crushingly formidable. As a teenager, I took to the woods on a regular basis and killed many a critter with heavily loaded 38SPL wad cutters’. The effect of a full profile wad cutter on small game was obvious and amazing, compared to regular round nosed bullets. That flat nose, literally hammers living things. These bullets are hard and properly lubed and will NOT lead your barrel. Note my velocities from real world “over the counter” revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!
a. S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—868 fps (251 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—890 fps (264 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—961 fps (308 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—1005 fps (336 ft. lbs.)
Item 20E utilizes a Speer Low Velocity uni-core (Gold Dot) 125 gr. Jacketed hollow nose bullet. This bullet is designed to expand at low speeds and has no problem opening up at considerably less velocity than our advertised 900 fps, from two inch barrels. Penetration in human tissue is roughly 12 inches. Note my test velocities below from real world, “over the counter” revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!
S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—921 fps (235 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—938 fps (244 ft. lbs.)
Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—1019 fps (288 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—1078 fps (322 ft. lbs.)
This is just the standard pressure loads. The +Ps are are even more impressive.
Speer makes it's +P 135 JHP Gold Dot that is a excellent pick.
.357 magnum power is mostly wasted in snubbies. All that extra recoil,noise, and muzzle flazh do not make for a large increase in power or much larger muzzle velocity gain over .38 Specials.
Shot to shot recovery times are longer along with what could be disorienting noise and flash during a life and death struggle when fractions of or seconds count. Especially inside a dwelling.
As for the 9mm. revolver under most circumstances a 9mm. round out of a snubbie beats a .38 Special in almost all departments. There are exceptions.
But behold some things to consider.
Cylinder stop retracted on new Taurus
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905s are 9mm. and the moonclips take some effort to strip old ones out and new ones in prior to loading into the revolver. However once the clips have fresh cartridges in place on the clip there is no faster way to reload or unload a revolver.
Same goes for th S&W 625 and it's brethren.
The idea is to have the clips preloaded and ready to go when doing a range session or using the gun for CCW carry. These clips slip into or out of the chambers quicker than speedloaders can be used.
Clip with cartridges goes in together and comes out altogether.This with a flick of the ejector while the revolver is tipped upward and back.
Gravity will assist the unloading or loading.
Spent brass can be unloaded from the clips later at ones discretion.Then new ammo can be placed back on readying the clips if need be.
As for the clips, getting these from Taurus is not that hard. Just order them from them.
One other reason for the moonclips. Pistol cartridges need to be headspaced correctly for proper relaible function and accuracy.
Moonclips see to this.
These also help the ejector work efficently. Guns can be fired without the clips, but accuracy,misfires,and hangups of spent brass can and do happen. In a life threatening emergency this could prove fatal to one or all involved. At the range it doesn't matter.
Reloading may be needed in a real world confrontation.Lately there have been documented cases where off duty officers and civilains(male and female) wound up in defense scenarios with snubbies and had one round left. The criminals decided to leave the scene without pressing the matter to conclusion.
Just things to consider. People will choose what to do and live or die by it. Subjective and objective criteria folks.
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Nothing totally wrong with either a .357 magnum snubbie, 9mm.905 revolver, or a 5,6,or 7 shot snubbie in .38 Special. Lots of pro and cons to consider on a case by case basis. Realistic personal limitations need to be considered too.
Have both a Taurus model 65- 2.5 in. barreled .357 magnum revolver and a 85CH in .38 Special. Realistic limitations and assesments mean .38 Specials in +P or standard pressure ammo get the nod. This is just as an example and choice.
Attackers are not going to impresed or notice with what they are hit with. Shot placement and proper JHP or LSWCHP bullets will take care of that aspect.
Behold for example, Buffalo Bore Ammo which is designed for use in snubbies at eithrer +P or standard pressure loads. They are know the level of performance that other ammo has to comapre itself against.
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Standard Pressure Short Barrel Heavy .38 Special Printed Order Form
Standard Pressure Short Barrel
Heavy .38 Special
Item No. 20C/20 158gr. very soft lead cast, SWC-HC gas checked bullet — 854 fps (256 ft. lbs.) from S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel Per Box of 20
$20.99
Order Now
Item No. 20D/20 Very hard cast 150gr. WAD CUTTER bullet — 868 fps (251 ft. lbs.)from S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel Per Box of 20
$20.99
Order Now
Item No. 20E/20 Speer Low Velocity uni-core 125 gr. Jacketed hollow cavity — 921 fps (235 ft. lbs.) from S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel Per Box of 20
$20.99
Order Now
Standard Pressure, Short Barrel, Lower Recoil, Heavy 38 SPL
Due to customer demand, we’ve developed this defensive 38SPL ammo. Our customers wanted some devastating 38SPL loads that would fill the following criteria.
It won’t hurt older/fragile/alloy revolvers. (Non +P)
Is effective as a “fight stopper” through the use of proper bullets.
Is more powerful than typical/standard, weak 38SPL ammo.
Generate much less recoil than our +P 38SPL ammo.
Is flash suppressed.
Buffalo Bore is introducing these three different heavy, yet standard pressure loadings for 38 SPL. These offerings are loaded at standard pressure, but they are much more powerful than normal 38SPL ammo. These loads will not harm older more fragile revolvers. So, these loads are safe for use in ANY 38 SPL revolver, provided it is in normal working condition. As stated above, the “POWER” level of these loads is really closer to a typical +P power level, but the pressure is standard. We are able to develop these powerful standard pressure loads with modern non-canister powders. Again, these loads recoil far less than our +P 38 SPL ammo.
All three of these loads are flash suppressed, so firing them in the dark wont blind you. We use flash suppressed powder in our defensive ammo, in the loadings we can, because over 90% of all civilian shootings in America, occur in low light, when the criminal element is at work. We don’t want you blinded by your own gunfire after the first shot.
Item 20C utilizes the same 158gr. very soft lead cast, SWC-HC gas checked bullet, we load in our +P 38 SPL ammo. It is designed to expand and then penetrate quite deep. (Approx. 14 inches in human tissue) This bullet is gas checked and will NOT lead your barrel. Note the below velocities that I recorded out of my personal revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!
S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—854 fps (256 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—871 fps (266 ft. lbs.)
Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—930 fps (303 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—979 fps (336 ft. lbs.)
Item 20D utilizes a very hard cast 150gr. WAD CUTTER bullet. The bullet is made hard, so it won’t deform or mushroom. It cuts/crushes a “cookie cutter”, full diameter hole in human flesh just like it does on a paper target. It penetrates deeply (roughly 14 to 16 inches in human tissue) and its full diameter profile maximizes blood loss as it cuts and crushes (not slips or slides) its way through tissue. Although I’ve never been shot with a full profile wad cutter bullet, I must assume that the initial impact of that wide flat nosed bullet, is crushingly formidable. As a teenager, I took to the woods on a regular basis and killed many a critter with heavily loaded 38SPL wad cutters’. The effect of a full profile wad cutter on small game was obvious and amazing, compared to regular round nosed bullets. That flat nose, literally hammers living things. These bullets are hard and properly lubed and will NOT lead your barrel. Note my velocities from real world “over the counter” revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!
a. S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—868 fps (251 ft. lbs.)
b. S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—890 fps (264 ft. lbs.)
c. Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—961 fps (308 ft. lbs.)
d. S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—1005 fps (336 ft. lbs.)
Item 20E utilizes a Speer Low Velocity uni-core (Gold Dot) 125 gr. Jacketed hollow nose bullet. This bullet is designed to expand at low speeds and has no problem opening up at considerably less velocity than our advertised 900 fps, from two inch barrels. Penetration in human tissue is roughly 12 inches. Note my test velocities below from real world, “over the counter” revolvers—NOT TEST BARRELS!
S&W mod. 60, 2 inch barrel—921 fps (235 ft. lbs.)
S&W mod. 66, 2.5 inch barrel—938 fps (244 ft. lbs.)
Ruger SP101, 3 inch barrel—1019 fps (288 ft. lbs.)
S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel—1078 fps (322 ft. lbs.)
This is just the standard pressure loads. The +Ps are are even more impressive.
Speer makes it's +P 135 JHP Gold Dot that is a excellent pick.
.357 magnum power is mostly wasted in snubbies. All that extra recoil,noise, and muzzle flazh do not make for a large increase in power or much larger muzzle velocity gain over .38 Specials.
Shot to shot recovery times are longer along with what could be disorienting noise and flash during a life and death struggle when fractions of or seconds count. Especially inside a dwelling.
As for the 9mm. revolver under most circumstances a 9mm. round out of a snubbie beats a .38 Special in almost all departments. There are exceptions.
But behold some things to consider.
Cylinder stop retracted on new Taurus
« Reply #7 on: Today at 08:48:30 AM » Quote Modify Remove
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905s are 9mm. and the moonclips take some effort to strip old ones out and new ones in prior to loading into the revolver. However once the clips have fresh cartridges in place on the clip there is no faster way to reload or unload a revolver.
Same goes for th S&W 625 and it's brethren.
The idea is to have the clips preloaded and ready to go when doing a range session or using the gun for CCW carry. These clips slip into or out of the chambers quicker than speedloaders can be used.
Clip with cartridges goes in together and comes out altogether.This with a flick of the ejector while the revolver is tipped upward and back.
Gravity will assist the unloading or loading.
Spent brass can be unloaded from the clips later at ones discretion.Then new ammo can be placed back on readying the clips if need be.
As for the clips, getting these from Taurus is not that hard. Just order them from them.
One other reason for the moonclips. Pistol cartridges need to be headspaced correctly for proper relaible function and accuracy.
Moonclips see to this.
These also help the ejector work efficently. Guns can be fired without the clips, but accuracy,misfires,and hangups of spent brass can and do happen. In a life threatening emergency this could prove fatal to one or all involved. At the range it doesn't matter.
Reloading may be needed in a real world confrontation.Lately there have been documented cases where off duty officers and civilains(male and female) wound up in defense scenarios with snubbies and had one round left. The criminals decided to leave the scene without pressing the matter to conclusion.
Just things to consider. People will choose what to do and live or die by it. Subjective and objective criteria folks.
« Last Edit: Today at 08:59:29 AM by Qwiks draw » Report to moderator 64.24.186.48
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NRA member- Join a pro-gun group. Stand up and be counted.
www.corneredcat.com
Nothing totally wrong with either a .357 magnum snubbie, 9mm.905 revolver, or a 5,6,or 7 shot snubbie in .38 Special. Lots of pro and cons to consider on a case by case basis. Realistic personal limitations need to be considered too.
Have both a Taurus model 65- 2.5 in. barreled .357 magnum revolver and a 85CH in .38 Special. Realistic limitations and assesments mean .38 Specials in +P or standard pressure ammo get the nod. This is just as an example and choice.
Attackers are not going to impresed or notice with what they are hit with. Shot placement and proper JHP or LSWCHP bullets will take care of that aspect.
My Bersa Thunder .380, on the other hand - no good as a pocket gun, especially in the bluejeans that I favor. More stuff to think about...
