I know Taurus has gus that are very similar to other brands. for example; the taurus pt-92 is just like the beretta 92 and the taurus revolvers favor S&W very strongly and there a few others that at first glance would remind you of guns from other makers.. is there a website that will tell you all the guns taurus simulates or if the is no website w/the info, can any of you give me a list of guns that taurus makes and the inspiration/other brands that brought the taurus versions about. I like taurus and have heard about the improvments in there quality so, im not here to trash the for the imitations, im just curious to see how diverse they are and what i can get in the taurus model and save a few bucks on..heard they even have a 1911...thank ahead for the feedback !
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littlelefty
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maybe this will help
www.taurususa.com
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http://groups.msn.com/TaurusTalk
Not sure if either site tells specifically what Taurus guns replicate/duplicate. But, folks on Tuarus Talk can probably be more helpful than I am being.
I own a Taurus model 66 .357 that I bought in 1987 for under $200. I like it and it goes bang every time I squeeze the trigger, at least when it is loaded. And, I'm kind of looking at the PT745.
www.taurususa.com
or
http://groups.msn.com/TaurusTalk
Not sure if either site tells specifically what Taurus guns replicate/duplicate. But, folks on Tuarus Talk can probably be more helpful than I am being.
I own a Taurus model 66 .357 that I bought in 1987 for under $200. I like it and it goes bang every time I squeeze the trigger, at least when it is loaded. And, I'm kind of looking at the PT745.
weregunner
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Don Lu, Taurus makes the Model 66 in a seven shot format which is similar to the S&W 66. Speedloaders are made by HKS,Safariland and others. This is only one shot down from the 608. My local dealer can order and get one in a few days. Most of Taurus early designs are similar to Beretta and S&W since both companies let Taurus build some of their modles under license. When the contracts were finished rather than ship equipment, not needed, back to the respective countries Taurus bought all the manufacturing equipment, lock, stock and barrel. Taurus started out with Beretta similar copies of the 92 and 99. Smith and Wesson model 19 and 66 in .357 magnum as well as Smith's .38 special series. Taurus PT22 was developed to take on Beretta's famous 21A Bobcat series. Other than the 1911s Taurus designs are their own now though they may bear resemblance to other models. That is not to say they don't "borrow" ideas. All the comapnies do that. Smith & Wesson did that with the SIGMA series and Glock sued S&W over the Sigma trigger. So one has to be careful not to take patented items and use them in ones own models. Infringement suits can put a company in bankruptcy very quickly or serious trouble that may be impossible to get out form under. Rhere may be other similar Taurus models to other brands but that is all I can recall.
I like my Taurus, I wish they would copy
more 10mm guns. I think bringing them into their line would be an easy conversion on their 40 caliber guns if the frames can handle it.
One of their 1911's in 40 might make a nice conversion project. They could start by copying the S&W 10x6 series pistols and let S&W kick themselves for ever discontinuing this offering. Same goes for their revolvers too, particularly in the 10mm cartridge, my personal favorite.
Neat company history info, thanks weregunner.
jeepmor
more 10mm guns. I think bringing them into their line would be an easy conversion on their 40 caliber guns if the frames can handle it.
One of their 1911's in 40 might make a nice conversion project. They could start by copying the S&W 10x6 series pistols and let S&W kick themselves for ever discontinuing this offering. Same goes for their revolvers too, particularly in the 10mm cartridge, my personal favorite.
Neat company history info, thanks weregunner.
jeepmor
Now that's just not true. Their Millenium Pro series and 24/7 series are original designs. Even on some of their clones they occassionally come up with something that's better than what it imitates. For instance their internal locks on their revolvers are a much better design than the S&W counterpart.
I don't own a Taurus product but to say their entire line is cheap copies of something else seems completely unfair.
I don't own a Taurus product but to say their entire line is cheap copies of something else seems completely unfair.
Joachim
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"For instance their internal locks on their revolvers are a much better design than the S&W counterpart."
Yeah. I also like how they made the safety/decocker lever frame mounted instead of slide mounted on their Model 92 clones. The lifetime warrantee on their guns is also a plus.
Yeah. I also like how they made the safety/decocker lever frame mounted instead of slide mounted on their Model 92 clones. The lifetime warrantee on their guns is also a plus.
dragongoddess
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"All of Taurus's guns are cheap copies of something else!!"
And how is that a problem?
And how is that a problem?
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I personally like Taurus revolvers better than newer S&W's. I've seen and owned several smiths that had problems right from the factory.
I feel S&W has been riding on their name and not their product for the last 10 years or so.
I feel S&W has been riding on their name and not their product for the last 10 years or so.
Since I own 3 Taurus revolvers (DA's) I thought I would also order the AGI (American Gunsmithing Institute) armours course on DA Taurus revolvers.
I am well versed on the assy and dis-assembly of my revolvers but wanted to get the "Master" gun smith version to see if I could pick up any extra tips. Particularly timing, cylinder alignment, and useful tips on yoke adustment, etc.
I don't hold anyone up on a pedistal when it comes to terms like "master" or "expert" , but it is always informational to view what knowledgable people have to offer.
To share all the comments and points of fact made on this taped instructional video would take a good deal of time so I will cut to the short version.
The instructor used the word "impressed" a number of times to describe the advances in quality & design that Taurus has made over the last 10 years. One of the design features he points to as a step above the S&W is the method used to capture the cylinder in the Taurus DA guns. This method of locking the cylinder onto the yoke eliminates the need for the frame block used on S&W and other swing out cylinder guns.
Points were also given for the quality of the machining of the chambers and the barrel throat.
What's the point ? Well, for me it is that the quality of Taurus guns has closed in closely to the S&W . I have owned dozens of revolvers over the last 35 years including many S&W guns. I'm not saying that Taurus is better, but I am saying they are far from a cheap substitute - IMO. I see some S&W guns going back to the factory for problems just as I see it happening to Taurus at times. I consider that more of a sign of the times and the modern manufacturing practices.
And by the way, they are still making one of my favorite little guns in .32 H&R Magnum. , They make a medium frame .44 Mag. in their Tracker, an interesting .410/.45LC revolver, a DA small frame .22LR revolver for $200 less than S&W. so what's not to like ?
I am well versed on the assy and dis-assembly of my revolvers but wanted to get the "Master" gun smith version to see if I could pick up any extra tips. Particularly timing, cylinder alignment, and useful tips on yoke adustment, etc.
I don't hold anyone up on a pedistal when it comes to terms like "master" or "expert" , but it is always informational to view what knowledgable people have to offer.
To share all the comments and points of fact made on this taped instructional video would take a good deal of time so I will cut to the short version.
The instructor used the word "impressed" a number of times to describe the advances in quality & design that Taurus has made over the last 10 years. One of the design features he points to as a step above the S&W is the method used to capture the cylinder in the Taurus DA guns. This method of locking the cylinder onto the yoke eliminates the need for the frame block used on S&W and other swing out cylinder guns.
Points were also given for the quality of the machining of the chambers and the barrel throat.
What's the point ? Well, for me it is that the quality of Taurus guns has closed in closely to the S&W . I have owned dozens of revolvers over the last 35 years including many S&W guns. I'm not saying that Taurus is better, but I am saying they are far from a cheap substitute - IMO. I see some S&W guns going back to the factory for problems just as I see it happening to Taurus at times. I consider that more of a sign of the times and the modern manufacturing practices.
And by the way, they are still making one of my favorite little guns in .32 H&R Magnum. , They make a medium frame .44 Mag. in their Tracker, an interesting .410/.45LC revolver, a DA small frame .22LR revolver for $200 less than S&W. so what's not to like ?
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carterbeauford
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Then who originally designed the 24/7?
Manedwolf
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Umm...yeah. Because last year's NRA Gun of the Year 24/7 is a copy of...uh...
And the Millenium Pros are a copy of...er...
And the 4410 .410/45 revolver is a copy of...wait...
Gotta love expert informed facts off the internets.
tegemu
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I read somewhere recently, may have been on a forum, that Taurus now designs the Smith & Wesson guns. As I remember the source, it was pretty definative. It had to do with Corporate acquisitions involving both Taurus and S & W.
gwhall57
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I have a Taurus PT111 Millenium Pro in 9mm. It shoots well, hasn;t jammed, and is light and small enough for concealed carry with 12 +1. It's a decent handgun.
So not all Taurus guns are cheap imatation knock-offs....
So not all Taurus guns are cheap imatation knock-offs....
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MCgunner
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Not only that, but my M85UL has the smoothest DA trigger I've ever felt on an out of the box "J frame" size gun. It's better than the K frames I've owned, my current M10 and my old M19.
Axman
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My next handgun purchase will most likely be a Taurus. I took a friend's .38 to the range and liked the way it fired. Smooth flowing trigger also. I have been eyeing their 4" .357's for a few months and feel I will buy one of the models they offer.
Thanks for the feed back guys !!!
I also shot a pt-111 9mm, it was pretty fun to shoot. I only own 1 gun now, its a glock 23 and i love it..maybe cause its my first i dont know any better, but i want to get a revolver next. I have been looking at these 3 guns for the home, not for CCW (of course)
1 taurus 608 8 inch ported
2 ruger gp 100 6 inch
3 smith 686 (7 shot version) 6 in or longer
you can clearly see the style i am going for.
any analysis to help make my descision ?
I also shot a pt-111 9mm, it was pretty fun to shoot. I only own 1 gun now, its a glock 23 and i love it..maybe cause its my first i dont know any better, but i want to get a revolver next. I have been looking at these 3 guns for the home, not for CCW (of course)
1 taurus 608 8 inch ported
2 ruger gp 100 6 inch
3 smith 686 (7 shot version) 6 in or longer
you can clearly see the style i am going for.
any analysis to help make my descision ?
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If Taurus are cheap copies of something else, then Wilsons, the Ed Browns, the Springfields are expensive copiesof something else.
Practically speaking, the price of the Taurus is relatively cheap in spite of the fact that they are good guns. If they break, I throw them out and buy another one.
Kidding aside, the Taurus improved in the past couple of years. Even their customer service went the same route. Although I haven't owned a Taurus, I did managed to shoot some of my pals pistols and revolvers and it still is as good as the time they bought them.
Practically speaking, the price of the Taurus is relatively cheap in spite of the fact that they are good guns. If they break, I throw them out and buy another one.
Kidding aside, the Taurus improved in the past couple of years. Even their customer service went the same route. Although I haven't owned a Taurus, I did managed to shoot some of my pals pistols and revolvers and it still is as good as the time they bought them.
Well , I guess other than thinking I wouldn't go longer than a 6 inch, I believe any of the three would be a good choice. Whatever floats your boat and doesn't kill your pocket book. The 686's are great guns usualy and S&W's still hold their value better than the other two if that makes a difference to you.
For pure ruggidness, the Ruger generaly gets extra points, and for a good servicable gun at a better than average price, the Taurus's have been good options for many.
MNRIVRAT or anyone else
why would you not want a gun longer than 6". this is not a challenge i am just curious b/c it seems like 6" is the magic # for alot of gun owners. I am pretty new to guns..is there a practical reason or even a tactical reason. or just a mtter or personal choice..keeping in mind this would be a gun for home and not ccw.
why would you not want a gun longer than 6". this is not a challenge i am just curious b/c it seems like 6" is the magic # for alot of gun owners. I am pretty new to guns..is there a practical reason or even a tactical reason. or just a mtter or personal choice..keeping in mind this would be a gun for home and not ccw.
The limit of 6 inch for a "house" gun is first of all simply a matter of opinion.
I have owned revolvers with 8 inch barrels but the handling characteristics get different with the longer barrels. Many will stick with a 4 inch barrel for this reason when your talking a house gun, and use the 6 inch and longer barrels for longer range accuracy reasons when in the field. The extra unwanted (by me) weight and somewhat slower to bring on target is what keeps me from the longer barrels for short range usage.
There is no majic number - just handling preferences. If an 8 inch is what you want, then that's a perfectly OK choice. Maybe handle a few in different barrel lengths to determine what suits your taste.
I have owned revolvers with 8 inch barrels but the handling characteristics get different with the longer barrels. Many will stick with a 4 inch barrel for this reason when your talking a house gun, and use the 6 inch and longer barrels for longer range accuracy reasons when in the field. The extra unwanted (by me) weight and somewhat slower to bring on target is what keeps me from the longer barrels for short range usage.
There is no majic number - just handling preferences. If an 8 inch is what you want, then that's a perfectly OK choice. Maybe handle a few in different barrel lengths to determine what suits your taste.
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