Taurus handguns
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carterbeauford
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In 2006 I do not think this is an accurate analogy, Mercedes vehicles have their fair share of problems.
LightningJoe, I am looking at a disassembled Millenium Pro and a disassembled P11 as we speak, uhh...
Manedwolf
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That's just legal CYA. So someone doesn't try a bubba handload at 5X max chamber pressure, blow up the gun in their own face and try to sue the gun manufacturer.
hey guys, i'm new here and i saw this thread and thought i'd share something very interesting i had found. hope it helps clear some things up about taurus.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_50/ai_n6209997
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_50/ai_n6209997
I for one, love Taurus because:
a. I'm still bitter about S&W selling out to the Clinton administration.
b. I think they are the "best value" revolver out there.
c. I have no use for a finely tuned $900 revolver.
90% of my guns I could never "out shoot" anyway, so I'm not looking for another really expensive pistol for no reason (have one of those already)...
Oh, but I would like to add that I have shot a Millenium Pro and the trigger is just about the worst thing I've ever pulled. Seriously, the worst trigger I've ever pulled.
a. I'm still bitter about S&W selling out to the Clinton administration.
b. I think they are the "best value" revolver out there.
c. I have no use for a finely tuned $900 revolver.
90% of my guns I could never "out shoot" anyway, so I'm not looking for another really expensive pistol for no reason (have one of those already)...
Oh, but I would like to add that I have shot a Millenium Pro and the trigger is just about the worst thing I've ever pulled. Seriously, the worst trigger I've ever pulled.
Manedwolf
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Might want to have that looked at. Is it an early one? I have a 745, and the thing has a nice pull and crisp break. Completely smooth, not the least bit gritty. Long, of course, being DAO, but DAO is DAO. Some people just can't get used to it.
as said before by others, pretty much every manufacture says that. I just bought a Ruger P345D, and it says the same thing...
Even books about "old guns" say it. My M-1 Carbine guide (by Scott Duff, and others) even says it...
its sickening.
chaim
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Actually, they had no large scale problems with the Milennium Pros (some individuals I can't speak for, all gun models have had one or two bad ones go out). The first generation of the Milennium (very different internally than the Milennium Pro) had issues. The first gen Milennium was smaller in 9mm and .40S&W versions (all the Milennium Pros look like the .45ACP versions of the Milennium) and there were other changes as well. Heck, even the original Milennium by the time it was discontinued was a good gun (with a terrible trigger).
Two questions. Are you sure it was the Milennium Pro and not the Milennium? The M. Pros have pretty decent triggers (once they've been broken in) while the Milennium trigger was terrible. Second, how many rounds had the M. Pro seen? My Milennium Pro had an OK trigger when new, but nothing to brag about. Now, after 750 rounds and at least as many dry fires it is the best DA trigger on any pistol I own (comparable to a good DA revolver trigger). Still, even with a decent DAO trigger, Taurus heard enough complaints that the newest ones have a new trigger. They gave up on DAO and now have the new Taurus SA/DA trigger (it starts in SA, so be sure to use your safety on the newest versions, but it gives the capability to pull the trigger again on a round that didn't fire- just like DA/SA or DAO). The new SA Taurus trigger is a pretty light trigger (though the one I tried was fairly long with a lot of takeup before it engaged).
Manedwolf
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I actually preferred the DAO, and got the version of the 745 with that instead. For CCW, I wanted the ability to chamber a round and still have it be as safe as a revolver. The side safety can get disengaged if you had it moving around a bit in a Smartcarry, and considering where the muzzle is pointed when it's in one of those, I would not trust a cocked SA to be there.
chaim
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Manedwolf, at least with the Milennium Pro series I'd prefer DAO too. The other guns they most compete with are DAO, and I like the option of going without engaging the safety. My PT 140 M. Pro is DAO, if I got one of the newer SA/DA M. Pros I'd have to re-adapt on this pistol to using the safety. It wouldn't be safe to use one version of the same gun that is DAO without the safety and then have to use the safety on another that is SA- too much to go wrong. That is why, as much as I'd like to add the 745 and a PT111 M. Pro, I probably won't be buying more of these.
Manedwolf
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Chaim, you can still get the 745 in DAO from new/old stock still on the shelves...lots of places online still have them. The DAO also comes with three-dot combat sights and can use the 145 / Millenium Pro general Trijicons. The new SA/DA, which comes with a straight-eight, apparently can't. And I really don't understand a desire for SA/DA in a subcompact auto, which to me is meant to compete with a revolver in a similar role.
Might actually be cheaper, too, since a lot of people did the "I want the NEW model!" hype thing.
I love mine.
Might actually be cheaper, too, since a lot of people did the "I want the NEW model!" hype thing.
I love mine.
MartinBrody
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I must admit, the action on that piece is incredibly smooth. The finish is far better than what you see on most snubbies these days. Quite a fine specimen.
Jkwas
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We have two of their products, the 605 revolver and the Pt111 milpro 9mm.
Both shoot well and you would have a hard time prying away the milpro from my wife as she absolutely loves it. The 605 wore out it's hammer spring at about 500 rounds, but my smith upgraded it to a S&W 12lber under warranty, and it's been dead reliable with nice deep dimples ever since. It is a fine weapon for the money and is my primary carry piece. It shoots very good to point of aim. I would not be afraid to purchase another.
Both shoot well and you would have a hard time prying away the milpro from my wife as she absolutely loves it. The 605 wore out it's hammer spring at about 500 rounds, but my smith upgraded it to a S&W 12lber under warranty, and it's been dead reliable with nice deep dimples ever since. It is a fine weapon for the money and is my primary carry piece. It shoots very good to point of aim. I would not be afraid to purchase another.
TNT.45
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Every gun is a copy of something!
Well not every gun, The very first gun was not a copy but after that they all were.
Taurus guns are cheaper in price than other models. Are they cheaper in manufacturing a finished product? I think not. For around $400 bucks you get a nice weapon. They have shared tecnology with other gun makers. I.E. S&W and Beretta and I dont see much bashing of those brands. I dont mind people not buying Taurus brands more for me to buy.
Here is a cut and paste of the Taurus history...
From humble beginnings as a small tool manufacturer in Porto Alegre, Brazil over 60 years ago, Forjas Taurus (translation: Taurus Forge) has become a diversified, international company and one of the largest small arms manufacturers in the world. The company produced its first revolver in 1941. The gun combined elements from several Manufacturers of that day, including Colt, Smith & Wesson and certain Spanish brands. This first revolver was designated the Model 38101SO. Taurus soon became a major factor in the South American market and experienced continuous growth.
In 1968, the company was ready to venture into the U.S. market. This was accomplished by employing the services of a succession of U.S. distributors over the next several years. Their efforts met with only marginal success.
In the meantime, Smith & Wesson had been purchased by a conglomerate named Bangor Punta. In 1970, Bangor Punta also purchased 54% of Taurus. Thus, the two companies became "sisters". Smith & Wesson never owned Taurus. They were both independent companies. However, during the next seven years, a great deal of technology and methodology was passed between the two. What may come as a surprise to some is that more of what was "right" in Porto Alegre was sent to Springfield than was sent from Springfield to south of the equator.
1977 saw our present ownership buy 54% of Taurus outright from Bangor Punta. At once a quest to improve overall quality of Taurus product was initiated. Also, the company now began a dynamic expansion program.
Beretta had won a huge contract in 1974 to produce small arms for the army of Brazil. Part of the deal was that Beretta construct a Brazilian factory and use Brazilian labor. This they did, in the southwestern coastal city of Sao Paulo. When the contract ran out in 1980, Beretta sold the plant, literally "lock, stock and barrel," to Taurus. Taurus now owned everything that once belonged to Beretta, including drawings, tooling, machinery, and a very experienced work force. Taurus was in the pistol business, and immediately sought to improve on the Beretta design, resulting in the popular and acclaimed Taurus PT-92 and PT-99 9mm pistols.
The next milestone for Taurus came in 1982. This is when the Brazil management decided to "take the bull by the horns" by opening an affiliated company, Taurus, in Miami, Florida. Sales that first year in America were limited as a solid distribution system had to be established. Taurus guns had not been advertised or written up in the shooting press. Taurus was truly an unknown commodity in the United States. This situation was to change dramatically in the next few years.
At the Dallas, Texas S.H.O.T. Show in 1984, Taurus was to make an announcement that was to have a tremendous impact on the entire industry. Taurus became the first company to offer its customers an unqualified LIFETIME REPAIR POLICY. This one brilliant piece of marketing changed the course of the company in this market. Only recently has this policy been matched. It has never been exceeded. In 1984, this daring innovative policy made everyone sit up and take notice of Taurus Firearms. The U. S. company has posted record years ever since...
In 1989, the company celebrated its 50th Anniversary. The celebration was capped off at the January 1990 S.H.O.T. Show, with Taurus giving away a brand new 1990 Ford Taurus to a lucky Dealer from New Mexico.
There was cause for celebration in 1994 when Forjas Taurus received the prestigious ISO 9001 designation from the International Organization for Standardization for superior manufacturing and marketing practices. Only one other firearms company in the world has obtained this designation. Currently, Taurus U.S.A. is at work to share this honor with the parent company.
Well not every gun, The very first gun was not a copy but after that they all were.
Taurus guns are cheaper in price than other models. Are they cheaper in manufacturing a finished product? I think not. For around $400 bucks you get a nice weapon. They have shared tecnology with other gun makers. I.E. S&W and Beretta and I dont see much bashing of those brands. I dont mind people not buying Taurus brands more for me to buy.
Here is a cut and paste of the Taurus history...
From humble beginnings as a small tool manufacturer in Porto Alegre, Brazil over 60 years ago, Forjas Taurus (translation: Taurus Forge) has become a diversified, international company and one of the largest small arms manufacturers in the world. The company produced its first revolver in 1941. The gun combined elements from several Manufacturers of that day, including Colt, Smith & Wesson and certain Spanish brands. This first revolver was designated the Model 38101SO. Taurus soon became a major factor in the South American market and experienced continuous growth.
In 1968, the company was ready to venture into the U.S. market. This was accomplished by employing the services of a succession of U.S. distributors over the next several years. Their efforts met with only marginal success.
In the meantime, Smith & Wesson had been purchased by a conglomerate named Bangor Punta. In 1970, Bangor Punta also purchased 54% of Taurus. Thus, the two companies became "sisters". Smith & Wesson never owned Taurus. They were both independent companies. However, during the next seven years, a great deal of technology and methodology was passed between the two. What may come as a surprise to some is that more of what was "right" in Porto Alegre was sent to Springfield than was sent from Springfield to south of the equator.
1977 saw our present ownership buy 54% of Taurus outright from Bangor Punta. At once a quest to improve overall quality of Taurus product was initiated. Also, the company now began a dynamic expansion program.
Beretta had won a huge contract in 1974 to produce small arms for the army of Brazil. Part of the deal was that Beretta construct a Brazilian factory and use Brazilian labor. This they did, in the southwestern coastal city of Sao Paulo. When the contract ran out in 1980, Beretta sold the plant, literally "lock, stock and barrel," to Taurus. Taurus now owned everything that once belonged to Beretta, including drawings, tooling, machinery, and a very experienced work force. Taurus was in the pistol business, and immediately sought to improve on the Beretta design, resulting in the popular and acclaimed Taurus PT-92 and PT-99 9mm pistols.
The next milestone for Taurus came in 1982. This is when the Brazil management decided to "take the bull by the horns" by opening an affiliated company, Taurus, in Miami, Florida. Sales that first year in America were limited as a solid distribution system had to be established. Taurus guns had not been advertised or written up in the shooting press. Taurus was truly an unknown commodity in the United States. This situation was to change dramatically in the next few years.
At the Dallas, Texas S.H.O.T. Show in 1984, Taurus was to make an announcement that was to have a tremendous impact on the entire industry. Taurus became the first company to offer its customers an unqualified LIFETIME REPAIR POLICY. This one brilliant piece of marketing changed the course of the company in this market. Only recently has this policy been matched. It has never been exceeded. In 1984, this daring innovative policy made everyone sit up and take notice of Taurus Firearms. The U. S. company has posted record years ever since...
In 1989, the company celebrated its 50th Anniversary. The celebration was capped off at the January 1990 S.H.O.T. Show, with Taurus giving away a brand new 1990 Ford Taurus to a lucky Dealer from New Mexico.
There was cause for celebration in 1994 when Forjas Taurus received the prestigious ISO 9001 designation from the International Organization for Standardization for superior manufacturing and marketing practices. Only one other firearms company in the world has obtained this designation. Currently, Taurus U.S.A. is at work to share this honor with the parent company.
chaim
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Sorry I'm late to respond. For me that isn't an option. MD (like NY) requires a fired shell casing to come with every gun. The fired casing has to have been fired by the manufacturer. Some makes simply send out every gun with the shell casing. Others only send out some of their guns this way. Taurus only sends out some guns this way and usually a dealer who isn't in MD or NY won't have the casing so I can't buy a new gun from them.
Unfortunately, the 745 never really made it here to MD, at least not many of them (I haven't seen one yet) so finding new/old stock will be tough around here. Heck, most dealers (even those who used to have a lot of the Milennium Pros) are basically sold out on any M. Pro model- they've sold well around here- I doubt I'll find any M. Pro in MD with the old DAO trigger.
My best bet will be waiting until they start to show up on the used gun market.
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MCgunner
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My M85UL stainless is the smoothest out of the box DA trigger I've ever fired. I love the trigger on that thing.
chaim
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Taurus J-frame sized revovers have some nice triggers. I had a Taurus 605 that had a great trigger. My DAO Taurus 85CH has one of the nicest DA triggers you'll ever pull. My DAO S&W 442 trigger leaves a little to be desired in comparison.
Dusty Rusty
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Very first gun I bought was a Taurus model 605. It is my preferred carry gun. I also have three other Tauruses (Taurii?? ). Can't beat 'em IMHO.
). Can't beat 'em IMHO.TNT .45 thank you for your accurate history of Taurus which gave more info than most other posts.
I own 5 Taurus handguns purcahsed between 1988 and 2007. They have never had any serious problems (broke the rear sight blade on my PT99AF and lost the rear sight on a my Model 66 when I was banging away with magnums and didn't notice the screw loosening). Turnaround was about 10-14 days for both problems.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy any Taurus that I felt filled a need (real or imagined).
I own 5 Taurus handguns purcahsed between 1988 and 2007. They have never had any serious problems (broke the rear sight blade on my PT99AF and lost the rear sight on a my Model 66 when I was banging away with magnums and didn't notice the screw loosening). Turnaround was about 10-14 days for both problems.
I wouldn't hesitate to buy any Taurus that I felt filled a need (real or imagined).
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Smokewagon45
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Taurus handguns...very underrated. Lets keep that our secret ,or the prices will soar. Proud owner of three Tauri.
weregunner
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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=898.0
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1814.0
Let's just say that having 4 Taurus revolver and two semi-autos that are still going strong and giving excellent service is a makes dureablity a non-issue.
Here's another oldie but goodie. I think JR47 just likes fighting with half his brain tied behind his back when dealing with idiots. Facts and truth speak for themselves. Not rhetoric,lies, and balderdash.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250992
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/index.php?topic=1814.0
Let's just say that having 4 Taurus revolver and two semi-autos that are still going strong and giving excellent service is a makes dureablity a non-issue.
Here's another oldie but goodie. I think JR47 just likes fighting with half his brain tied behind his back when dealing with idiots. Facts and truth speak for themselves. Not rhetoric,lies, and balderdash.
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=250992
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