Taurus Millenium Pro ???????????????

[Rabbi]

PT-745C

I have this little 3" .45 auto that prints really low at combat ranges. I have to put the three dot sight picture at an equilateral triangle shape to hit at 7 yards. It hits about 10-14" low (depending on ammo) if I use a six o'clock sight hold. I typically carry 230 gr. Fed Hydra-Shoks.

Anybody else own one? Any problems with accuracy?

Thank you in advance.

BTW, it fits my long, skinny hand better than any handgun I have ever held or fired in 40 years.

 

[steelhead]

I had similar problem with my Mil Pro PT145 until I changed out the sights with Trijicon night sights. I don't have the old front sight to compare but it must have been a little taller than the Trijicon's. Before I switched the sights - a center hold helped.

 

[duck911]

My PT145 also shoots "off the paper" low.

Methinks I need some Trijicon night sights too!!

--Duck911

 

[Hypnogator]

The Taurus Millennium Pro series are combat weapons, not bullseye target weapons. They're sighted in so that (theoretically) the top of the front sight will bisect the bullet's point of impact.

That being said, different loads will print at different POIs. My 145 prints almost dead on with 230-gr Hydra-Shoks, and 230-gr hardball is virtually identical.

 

[weregunner]

Howdy.The site that comes on this pistol is called the guttersnipe.It was first used I believe on the ASP Devel pistol made for special operator types.This was back over 30 years ago when a pistol smaller than the S&W 32 auto was needed.A stock Smith was taken and cut down in several places including the barrel and magazine area shortened.No shorty 9mm. commercial brand existed then.The grips had a plastic see through strip so one could count the rounds left in the mag. The guttersnipe needs training and plenty of practice.When all 3 points become even on target then you are supposed to fire.It can work but sheeesh,why not use something that is more common for sighting purposes.The sight was to be used for close range only.If I'm off on any of what is mentioned will the historians please chime in.

 

[LightningJoe]

I have the exact same model. No problem. Hard to imagine what could cause the effect you're seeing. How could your gun be hitting so low with the sights on the target? When you tilt the gun to produce the triangle you're using, does the barrel seem level?

 

[Rumble]

Weregunner, the sights on a Taurus PT111 Mil Pro aren't guttersnipe sights--they're the standard three-dot combat sights. My experience with mine was similar to everyone's--it tended to print a bit low (though not drastically...just a smidge). On the other hand, both my PT111 and PT145 were superb guns (I sold them to my father since they didn't get much range time, but I liked 'em when I used 'em).

 

[kokapelli]

If you file a little off the top of the front sight, than you will have raise the ront of the pistol in order for the top of the front sight to be even with the top of the rear sight. Voila! now you are hitting a little higher.

 

[Jkwas]

We had the same problem with our 111, and then we changed our trigger pull from the joint to the pad, and problem gone. Shoots to point of aim. For me, when the trigger breaks, the nose dives. Shooting with the pad seems to correct this. Try it, nothing to lose!

 

[Rabbi]

Thank you all for the replies. I'll try adjusting my finger placement first.

 

[weregunner]

Rumble.Sorry about that. I saw the post part about equallateral sight.Must get new brain or new glasses.

 

[goings_51]

My 24/7 Pro with the Hiene sights shoots about 7 or 8" low at 7 yards. I just shoot high to compensate. It is kind of aggivating though.

 

[muscles]

rabbi-

i recently picked up the new 745 pro with the DA/SA trigger. i havent shot it much, but in the first 50 rounds i noticed it was really low. mine has the heinie straight 8 sights. does yours? i went back out and fired a hundred more or so, and really focused on my trigger pull. the accuacy got better, but still fairly poor. id like to swap out the sights, but am unsure who makes an aftermarket set. i plan on getting out again tomorrow testing accuracy some more. keep me posted on your results...ill do the same. thanks.

 

[ecureed]

the Heinie site has attempted to address this "issue":

http://www.heinie.com/taurus.php

 

[wally]

Try painting the rear white dot (makes the bottom of the eight) black. I find it distracting. Anything that helps me see/find the front sight is OK, but I want nothing but plain black notch on the rear.

You can get some "sight black" spray that comes off easily with normal gun cleaning solvents to try first if you think you may want to restore the white.

--wally.

 

[seeker_two]

Howdy.The site that comes on this pistol is called the guttersnipe.It was first used I believe on the ASP Devel pistol made for special operator types.This was back over 30 years ago when a pistol smaller than the S&W 32 auto was needed.A stock Smith was taken and cut down in several places including the barrel and magazine area shortened.No shorty 9mm. commercial brand existed then.The grips had a plastic see through strip so one could count the rounds left in the mag. The guttersnipe needs training and plenty of practice.When all 3 points become even on target then you are supposed to fire.It can work but sheeesh,why not use something that is more common for sighting purposes.The sight was to be used for close range only.If I'm off on any of what is mentioned will the historians please chime in.

Good history lesson, wg. One correction--it was the S&W Model 39 that was used as the base gun.

After handling a couple of original ASP's, I like the concept of the Guttersnipe. It's a lot like a ghost-ring sight, but without the front sight post. Too bad no one makes it today. It would be perfect for a PT-111 or other small CCW pistol.

 

[weregunner]

Seeker two.After doing this :banghead: to clear the cobwebs out I have to admit you are soooo right.Sheesh.

 

[Devonai]

My PT145 with Heinie sights shoots dead-on at ten yards with 230-grain FMJ and 230-grain Speer Gold-Dot JHP. Good enough for me.

 

[Manedwolf]

i recently picked up the new 745 pro with the DA/SA trigger. i havent shot it much, but in the first 50 rounds i noticed it was really low. mine has the heinie straight 8 sights. does yours? i went back out and fired a hundred more or so, and really focused on my trigger pull. the accuacy got better, but still fairly poor. id like to swap out the sights, but am unsure who makes an aftermarket set. i plan on getting out again tomorrow testing accuracy some more. keep me posted on your results...ill do the same. thanks.

Yes, though I prefer DA/SA, I purchased the DAO 745 due to its size when it first came out.

Now I feel like I wasted my money, since Taurus rushed out a NEW BETTER model.

Thanks, Taurus.

 

[kokapelli]

Yes, though I prefer DA/SA, I purchased the DAO 745 due to its size when it first came out.

It's not DA/SA, it's a SINGLE ACTION trigger with a double action strike potential, only if there is a misfire.

When you chamber a round, the trigger is fully c ocked and can not be unc ocked without pulling the trigger.

 

[Manedwolf]

It's not DA/SA, it's a SINGLE ACTION trigger with a double action strike potential, only if there is a misfire.

When you chamber a round, the trigger is fully c ocked and can not be unc ocked without pulling the trigger.

I wonder why the new model is listed as DA/SA, then.

If that's the case, I don't feel so bad, because I like having it chambered, but I am not about to keep a cocked .45 SA in my pants.

 

[kokapelli]

I wonder why the new model is listed as DA/SA, then.

If that's the case, I don't feel so bad, because I like having it chambered, but I am not about to keep a cocked .45 SA in my pants.

I too wonder why they have no changed the description in their website?

The single action trigger on my PT111 is (I'm guessing) around five or six pounds and although it has a long free take up, the reset is only about 1/4".

And yes, IMO the pistol should be carried with the saftey on.

 

[wally]

The single action trigger on my PT111 is (I'm guessing) around five or six pounds and although it has a long free take up, the reset is only about 1/4".

And yes, IMO the pistol should be carried with the saftey on.

Then so should a Glock!

Shot my new SA/DA PT-140 today 100% function but couldn't hit well with it at all. I was shooting steel plates, next time I'll have to check out POA/POI on paper. Loved the trigger in dry fire over snap caps, but the sights do seem way off on mine, the white dot on the rear sight is at best a distraction, I'm painting it black tonight.

--wally.

 

[kokapelli]

The single action trigger on my PT111 is (I'm guessing) around five or six pounds and although it has a long free take up, the reset is only about 1/4".

And yes, IMO the pistol should be carried with the saftey on.


Then so should a Glock!


--wally.

I don't own a Glock, but if I'm correct, the Glock like the Kahr and XD pistols (which I own) is only partially c ocked when the slide is racked and the trigger pull must complete the c ocking before it will fire. If I'm wrong, please correct me.

The New so called SA/DA Taurus striker is fully c ocked when you chamber a round or just rack the slide.

Once the slide on the new Taurus SA trigger has been racked, it is basiclly in the same condition as a c ocked 1911 except you can lower the hammer on a 1911 and un c ock it.

Once c ocked, the only way to un cock the striker on the Taurus is to pull the trigger.

If there is a round chambered in the Taurus, either fire it, or drop the magazine and rack the slide to clear the round and than you can pull the trigger on an empty chamber in order to un c ock it.

 

[wally]

If they are for sale in CA or MA then they've passed "drop tests", not that these tests are necessarily realistic, but I doubt anyone would argue that its OK for any gun to discharge if dropped.

Can't debate the fine points of gun design safety here, but fact is ~6lbs of force on the trigger of Glock or Tarurus SA/DA fires the gun. At least the Taurus PT-1xx series has an external safety. I do wish it was ambi, but will carry mine with the safety on, once I resolve the sight issue.

Just started to clean it and I think I wasn't hitting anything because the rear sight is sliding around in the dovetail

Looks like Taurus forgot the loc-tite on the set screw. On further inspection, seems they remembered the loc-tite but forgot to actually tighten it!

--wally.

Edit: I do wish they'd changed the model designation when they added the SA/DA trigger of the 24/7-PRO to the PT-1xx Millenium-PRO series, as I'm sure many folks would prefer the older more Glock/Kahr-like DAO ones, as I'm also sure others would like a decocker on the SA/DA, but I prefer the SA/DA with safety instead, if only it was an ambi safety.