Argument for Taurus:
MCgunner
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A gunsmith of my acquaintance recommends against anything by Taurus, and he will no longer work on them, though he did at one time. The issue was light strikes, which do not ignite primers reliably. When I carry my Ruger snubbies, I do not feel naked and unarmed because there are only five shots in the cylinder. So, I, for one, don't care why others choose not to emulate Taurus. Taurus is simply irrelevant, to me. If I want a six-shot .357, I have my Speed Six, which for all practical purposes, rides just as comfortably, and conceals just as well, as an SP101 snubby, for any role except pocket carry.
Well, I have a SP101 and find my self carrying my 3" M66 Taurus more often. It's more accurate, quicker to acquire sights, 6 shots, and about as easy to carry cause it's not, but a few ounces heavier.
I sold my Security Six, a 4" Taurus M66 took its place. FAR more accurate, handles recoil of heavy loads better (that Security Six had too much muzzle flip), and is tighter. The M66 is sweet, very accurate and easy to shoot.
To each his own, but I'm one old revolver shooter that don't drink the Smith and Wesson/Ruger Koolaid, though I have one Smith and EIGHT Rugers now. I do own more Rugers than any other brand, but my three Taurus revolvers, a M85SSUL, a 3" M66, and a 4" M66, get more carry. They just plain work for me and have been for a while now. The only TRUE POS revolver I ever owned was an RG .22. Didn't care for a Charter undercover too much, either. I own a couple of Rossis, though, and have owned 5 others and they're pretty decent guns that ain't Ruger or Smith.
Anyone on this board is welcome to make a comparison range trip with me and we'll do some competitive shooting if ya want. Of course, that ain't the gun, but I think you'd be impressed with my 4" M66 as medium frame .357s go. I love the thing. When I found that thing, my medium frame .357 search was over. Sold the 19 K frame, traded the Security Six for a Blackhawk. The M19 was a good gun, but the Taurus is just as good and a smidge more accurate. The Security Six? Well, it was a well designed and built gun, had its good points, but accuracy with .38s was less than great and what with the recoil with heavy loads, I really don't miss it.
May 24th, 2008, 12:49 AM #41
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So what's the argument?
If anyone's been keeping track of things theywould notice that professionals,even the .45ACP pistol advocates, a lot of them,carry a snub gun of some kind either as a back up or when weather dictates full size guns are going to be a problem.
I have many of the old police and tactical journals, as well as old gun magazines from over the last few decades.
This includes past and present versions of the Gun Digest Book of Combat Handgunnery. SwAT magazine, and Special Weapons and Tactics magazine.
Many of the writers are now retired or have passed on.
One of the eye openers is that when large conferences and gun training were attended by these people everyone compared notes including what they were carrying on themselves as armament.
It was not unusual for the majority of these folks to be carrying a snub. 5 or 6 shot. Some attendees had two such revolvers on their person.
For those who like the 5 shot snubbies, no problem. Bully for you who have those. Doesn't mean you are underarmed. Do have a 5 shot Taurus 85CH. Never feel undergunned. Not in this area anyway.
Those who own a 6 shot ( have a recently aquired Rossi 462) are as well protected. They just have a 1 extra round. There are a few documented fights where 1 extra round would be needed, but carrying extra ammo is or should be the norm. So for the most part that's a moot point.
By the way, the 462 is still measureably smaller than my model Taurus 65 that's 3" barreled revolver. Not by much,but enough to be easier to hide.
6 shot snubbies are more for belt carry than for pocket carry. Either 5 or 6 shot snubs can be carried IWB or in any number of other ways.
Since the difference is more of what one needs and the differences are minimal at best why argue 5 versus 6 shots?
Individual owners are going to make up their individual minds as to what works best for them. That's above and beyond any claimed superiority by either side.
So use what works best for you. 5 or 6 shot, it doesn't matter a whole lot.
There are plenty of 7 shot revolvers that others carry, but they are not saying that the 7 shots are superior to the supposed lowly 5 and 6 shooters. Just that they chose to bear the burden of carrying discreetly the extra bulk and weight. Gives them peace of mind and they have the equivalent of what many single stack pistols carry round wise.
No harm,no foul.
All Taurus is doing is updating and filling a niche that the other gun companies have decided to leave open.
In many of the gun mags,tactical, and police journals down through the decades there have been plenty of articles on decrying the fact that no 6 shooter snubbies existed, or very few did. In the articles it was apparent there was a market for these. Even Ed Lovette's book on the snubby says that. Paladin Press in case anyone's interested.
I actually have 3 older Taurus revolvers either in .357 magnum or .38 Special that are older than 20 years old and still going strong.
If need be I can bring MANY links from other sources just on that very subject of longevity and endurance of 10 year or older Taurus revolvers.
There are members here who claim the same and are satisfied customers.
People vote with their wallets. If the company makes garbage they will soon be out of business. Got links galore on that too if need be.
Just purchased a Taurus 82,66,and the Rossi 462 in the last few days.
All are in good order and work fine.
So if a manufacturer wants to fill a needed niche and the people vote with their pocket books where's the problem?
Don't see one.
Most snubbie .357 magnum revolvers have problems with a steady diet full house hot 125gr. loads. There are many standard .357 maggie revolvers that have that same trouble.
Ruger SP101 and the S&W L frames are the exception to that. If you can find a shorty S&W in that guise good for you.
For a lot of us light magnum or .38 Specials are going to be the carry load of choice. No problem there. Light magnum, the +P, or +P+ .38 Special loads have gotten the job done for decades and even now.
So have confidence in what you choose to carry. There's good reason to feel that way.
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I've had 3 Taurus revolvers for over 20 years, and have two new ones in the last couple of months.
On the older Tauri revolvers, the lockup is tight,no endplay,good timing still,no cylinder play,accuracy is excellent, and they are still going strong.Dureability and longevity have been the bywords.
The two newer ones are just as good,if not better than their predecessors.
Even the Rossi 462 (Taurus owns them) snubbie is working out well.