Taurus same as beretta?

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hey guys... to be hones with you all, i know very little about hardguns when it comes to picking the right gun, i want an pistol that use hi-cap (more than 10) rounds... it going to be for home and personal defence and at the same time a range pistol so i can just just practice a lot, 9mm looks like a good round for what i want, and since i have a Hi-Point 9mm i want to keep the same ammo, now to my problem,

is the Taurus P92 the same as a beretta 92? because they look the same to me, and for only $385 you think is a good or bad gun for the money? and is the fixed sight any good ? or its just a waste of money?

here's what i'm looking at
http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=133&category=Pistol

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The taurus is NOT the same quality overall as the beretta. However, the frame-mounted safety/decocker is a much better design, IMO... like the original beretta 92.

The design of the gun is so good that the taurus will likely not give you any trouble. I have the 40 cal version and it's never malfunctioned. The adjustable rear sight pin has come out twice, but the one you're looking at is fixed. Good choice, IMO.

You can also probably find a used Glock 19 for close to that amount, if it strikes your fancy...
 
For an actual Beretta under another name, try the Stoeger Cougar 8000. Literally the Beretta Cougar, made on the same machines, but in Turkey. The finish on the Stoeger is a little cheaper, but the gun runs just fine and averages $329.
 
in the same way Hyundai is the same as Honda, both produce function cars but its hard to argue that ones quality and reputation is on par with the other. And sure they both have lemons... but reputations usually are developed with at least a little reality backing them. Besides you can get a used (police turn-in) m92 for about the same price as the new Taurus... That's what I would do, and in fact is on my list as for some reason I seem to have lot of M9 Mags (Jefe, would you say I have a plethora...)

-Tsi
 
Sort of. Here's the story.

Way back when (1970's), Beretta won a military contract to supply handguns to the Brazilian military. The contract required the guns to be manufactured in Brazil, so Beretta setup a manufacturing facility in Brazil. When the contract was fulfilled Beretta no longer needed the manufacturing facility in Brazil, so they sold the plant and all the equipment to Taurus along with the licensing rights to manufacture and sell a clone of the Beretta 92 under the Taurus name.

Over the years, Taurus has continued to evolve the design of their model 92 independently of the Beretta 92 so the guns are now a bit different. Most notably, at some point Beretta moved the safety switch to the slide while the Taurus still has it in the original position on the frame.

The PT92 is the only handgun Taurus makes that I would consider buying. I'm sure the fit and finish on the Beretta is superior to the Taurus, but the PT92 is a good gun. My dad has had a stainless PT92 for many years and it has always been 100% reliable. It's his primary home defense handgun.
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I have a PT92SS, and I love it. I've never had a single jam or FTF, I've put around 1000 rounds through it (bulk winchester). To be fair, I have never shot a beretta. I opted for 9MM, because of the 17+1 capacity, but it's also inexpensive compared to some other calibers. It's also pretty accurate, but again, I haven't shot the beretta for a comparison. I can shoot the thumbtacks out of my target at 3 yards, although it usually takes me an entire magazine to do it. As far as fit and finish, I couldn't be happier. I don't know if the blued version would be as nice, but mine is blemish free. My only complaint about the rear sight is that it's kind of hard to see in low light, but it can be upgraded. Mine is totally stock, except for ajax pearl grips.

As far as functionality, it's definitely different that your hi-point, but it just depends on what you're looking for. Personally, there are a handful of features I really like:
- Frame mounted safety and decocker, nice and easy to reach with your thumb.
- Exposed hammer (as opposed to something like a glock), you can visually see if it's cocked or not
- Locking system, for long time storage, even locks the magazine in
- Large frame, I have large hands, and it fits well, and has a nice long trigger reach
- Double/Single action, I prefer the pull of a DA/SA trigger to a SA

I had the same dilemma before I chose mine, but I'm glad I bought the taurus, and haven't looked back since.
 
The first Taurus pistols ever produced were copies of the S&W Model 10. I fail to see the connection to Beretta.

Taurus was in business before the Brazilian contract guns. They made some real clunkers.

Metallurgy is not up to par with Taurus and neither is fit and finish. From 9mm on down Taurus is a pretty good bet. Above 9mm I wouldn't risk my money.

If you are a serious shooter - 500 to 1,000 rounds a month - I'd avoid them. If you may not shoot 1,000 rounds in the next 10 years, probably a good deal...
 
I have a Taurus PT-92AF that I can't shoot very good with. It kept me away from Beretta for years because I figured they were the same. I got a Beretta 92F a few months ago just to try it. I liked it so much I bought an Inox 92FS to go with it.

I still can't hit very good with the Taurus, but clay pigeons fear my Beretta.
 
PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
In 1980, we purchased the Beretta factory in Sao Paulo, Brazil "lock, stock and barrel" and immediately sought to improve on the Beretta design, resulting in the popular and acclaimed Taurus 92 and 99 9mm pistols. Always looking to raise the bar, we've taken this year's models a step further than they've ever been. Most notable is Taurus' specially designed drop hammer forged ordnance grade alloy frame that won't crack or allow the slide to come off. Other innovations include a three-position frame-mounted ambidextrous safety, which is more secure than a slide mounted safety, and allows for a classic SA "cocked-and-locked" mode, as well as functioning as a DA decocking lever. Available in fixed sight model 92 and in adjustable sight model 99, you'll be able to face any situation without compromise.
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i want an pistol that use hi-cap (more than 10) rounds
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'High capacity" = more than originally designed for.

Your Taurus has a standard magazine capacity of 15 rounds.
So does the Beretta 92.

If you want 'high capacity', you'll need to get one of those aftermaket drums or the really long stick mags for them.

This is a 30 round "high cap" mag for a Taurus/Beretta:
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You will be happy with the PT92. Do a search and you will find a lot of people who feel the same way, and many who prefer it over the Beretta.
 
I have a PT92 I like it, good shooter. It was made a long time ago, the sights are not up to the ones on my Glocks. But I just painted them with some nail polish, one white one green:uhoh: My Grandson prefers shooting it over the Glocks. It is a very safe pistol if they are used!
 
I've shot both and actually chose the PT92. didn't notice any diference in acurracy and have had no problems w the Taurus. the location of the decocker is icing on the cake. you won't miss the berretta if u go w the taurus.
 
The first Taurus pistols ever produced were copies of the S&W Model 10. I fail to see the connection to Beretta.

Taurus was in business before the Brazilian contract guns. They made some real clunkers.

Metallurgy is not up to par with Taurus and neither is fit and finish. From 9mm on down Taurus is a pretty good bet. Above 9mm I wouldn't risk my money.

If you are a serious shooter - 500 to 1,000 rounds a month - I'd avoid them. If you may not shoot 1,000 rounds in the next 10 years, probably a good deal...
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You fail to see the connection to Beretta even after they bought Beretta machinery and started making this pistol under Beretta license? No one said it was the first gun they made, only that thats the history of the PT92.

As to your other comments, my experience says your wrong. My PT1911 has shot a great number of rounds with no problem, and it's obviously bigger than a 9mm.

In general, I like Taurus handguns, and in particular I like the 92. Massad Ayoob does too, specifically mentioning their quality in the 5th edition of Combat Handgunnery.
 
Both are good, but if you look hard enough, for about $380 or less, you can get an actual Beretta 92FS Centurion or full size as well. I had the same choice to make about four months ago, saw a Taurus PT-92 for about $350, I shopped around and found a slightly used Beretta 92FS Centurion for $320, and for about $50 more, a full sized 92FS as well. One of the stores in my area had a bunch of them and was trying to move them, so of course I jumped on it and works perfectly.

The Taurus is a good weapon, no question, but shopping around does help and if you can get an actual Beretta cheaper as I did, go for it, no question.
 
I owned a PT-100 for several years. I bought it cheaply from a co-worker in dire need of cash ($200, in VG+), mostly because he was a good fella and I didn't have a .40 at the time.

I shot several hundred rounds through it, and was quite favorably impressed. It shot dead-on to POA with 180 gr. ammo, never missed a lick with anything I put through it - including cast bullet reloads - and averaged 2 1/2" 5-shot groups from a bench and bags at 25 yds with Speer Lawman or S&B 180 gr. ball.

I sold it to a fella who wanted it more than I did at a handsome profit, although I sometimes wish I hadn't.

It may not be "as good as a real Beretta" to some, but for less than half the money it'll sure do, IMO.
 
My first handgun purchase was a Taurus PT92. I sold it about 5 -6 years ago to finance another purchase and I have always wished I hadn't done that. I never had an issue with it and the felt recoil was low. Had lots of folks turn their nose up at it but it served me well.
 
You don't have to buy one of those goofy 30 round mags, my PT92 came with 2 factory 17rd magazines. Also, one thing I don't think has been mentioned yet is the LIFETIME warranty. I wonder how many of the guys who dog on the taurus have ever even owned, held, or shot one...
 
I like my PT92. :D

I've shot both, as my bro-in-law has the Beretta. I loved his Beretta, and was actually more accurate with it. However, he has the nice Hogue finger groove grips, while mine were factory.

Now that I have similar Pachmayer (sp?) grips, I'm more accurate with my Taurus than I used to be. (I'm sure practice hasn't hurt.)

I definitely prefer the frame mounted safety/decocker, but it limits the aftermarket grip options.

I also like that I got stainless for $380, while he paid $450+ for his blue. :D

Last note, I have three pistols that I'd consider for home defense: a Taurus PT92, a Taurus PT111, and a Sig CPO P229. Guess which one I trust my family's lives to?
The one I've NEVER (knock on wood) had ANY problems with-- the Taurus PT92.

(The Sig 229 won't fully chamber a round on just a slide release, so I don't have a 100% confidence in the springs-- in process of correcting that.)
 
I own a PT92 and can't think of a single bad thing to say about it. Not sure exactly how many rounds through it to date, maybe around 5k with no failures of any kind to report. It has been a great gun for the money for me. I trust it as my primary home defense gun. No problems with the fixed sights, they are dead on. And like someone mentioned, lifetime warranty, how can you go wrong with that?
 
Taurus V BerettaUSA...

Taurus pistols are made in Brazil using factory equipment/designs from Beretta. I know of many people/ranges/etc that shoot a lot of Taurus pistols but for my $$$ I'd go with a Beretta. I think Beretta uses high quality metal and the designs are slightly better. If you buy a new Taurus pistol you should have no problems but the Beretta is far better, ;).

RS
 
Just to point out

a couple differences besides the frame mounted safety.

Taurus has straight frontstrap on grip.

Mag release is in a slightly different place/config.

Mags and grips won't interchange w/o mod.

I don't shoot the Beretta because my trigger finger will rest on the mag button after firing and punch it out. I don't have this problem with the Taurus.
Think of her as a Brazilian mistress; a bit different, but still exciting.
They're a bargain in the $3-400 range.
I once owned a PT-99 with a 20 rd mag. Oh yeah...
Cheers, TF
 
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