Taurus: your verdict on Taurus auto-loaders.

[diesel]

pt1911/pt92

i have both my 1911 has the novak 3dot sites and i love it it is very accurate even with plinking ammo fed champion230gr ball
my 1911 handles +p165gr solid copper hollow points from magtech great with no ftf or fte.
i got the pt92 for my wife she loves it with almost 1k rds through it it runs like a top. i will say i dont care for the rail on the frame of the 92
my 1911does not have it

 

[Ben86]

I've owned the 709 slim and 670 .22 revolver. Both were great, I regret selling them.

Keep in mind many people who bemoan taurus have never shot or owned one. Also, brands that make big sales end up having what seems like more dissatisfied customers just because of the law of probability.

 

[diesel]

taurus1911

yeah i have gotten alot of flack from my range buds about (my 1911 knock off)
i just say kimbers are a 1911 knock off as well with he has and might i add my taurus is more accurate than he is with his famed kimber

 

[weregunner]

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-1911s/2127-show-us-your-taurus-pt1911s.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/700s/31959-700-series-picture-thread.html
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/24-7-series/28745-show-us-your-24-7-a.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/millennium-pro-pistols/38254-millennium-pro-picture-thread-.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/pt92-other-taurus-pistols/6195-post-your-other-taurus-pistols.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-compliants/1792-taurus-accomplishments.html

This goes with the last link.

TAURUS AWARDS

2010

THE BEACON AWARDS
The Beacon Council
International Commerce Award
Taurus International MFG, Inc.


2008




7th Annual Irlene Mandrell
Gold Sponsor
Celebrity Shoot
Taurus International

Golden Bullseye HandGUN of the Year
American Rifleman is proud to name the Taurus Judge as its 2008 Golden Bullseye Handgun of the Year

Golden Bullseye Award, NRA
American Rifleman
Handgun of the Year
Taurus Judge


2007




Manufacturer of the Year
Finalist
Taurus International Mfg., Inc.
Presented by SFMA

Golden Bullseye Award, NRA
American Rifleman
Handgun of the Year
Taurus PT 24/7



2005

Since you wanted to go there I did for the record.

 

[el Godfather]

Can someone explain the value of the awards listed? Are these distinction reflecting the excellence for quality?

 

[limbkiller]

The completly suck period.

 

[ExTank]

^ I suppose there's something to be said for concise analysis.

 

[weregunner]

Simple. They make a very good product and get awarded for it by the industry in various ways. I thought that was obvious.

 

[el Godfather]

Not really that obvious.

 

[JR47]

That appears to be the problem with the bashers. They can't afford to acknowledge the awards, it interjects fact into their little dreams. Perhaps, as such an expert on Taurus, you'd care to put your efforts where your key-board is. It's simple. Research how many guns Taurus sells in a year, versus how many are reported as faulty to the CS, and sent in for repair. Then, to put it into perspective, do the same for three other large manufacturers. After that, post the results, and we''ll see how much is truth, and how much is Internet Commando bluster.

Otherwise, it's all opinion, and everyone has one, and they all stink.

So, we're waiting.

 

[el Godfather]

Perhaps you should do the research for us since you seem to know where to look for suggested information.

I dont even want to speak of awards for sale and gun the year etc. The only thing that would matter would be competition award or such event where pistol was pushed to limits. Shear number of sale doesnt mean much. Toyota sells more then BMW, but that does not make Toyota better.

 

[ExTank]

Better? "Better" is relative. Better at...what? Than...what?

Toyota is better than BMW at...providing reliable, economical auto transport. BMW is better than Toyota at..providing mid-range performance luxury automobiles.

If your definition of "what's the better gun" is how long and hard it can be run before breaking, you're going to get a different result than if your definition of better is "who best combines price and quality in a mass-market firearm."

We had a rather warm discussion in Rifle Country a while back over Olympic Arms rifles. Some TactiCool fool was running Oly down because their rifles weren't up to the task of refighting 1st or 2nd Fallujah.

But not everyone (let's be honest here: hardly anyone, comparatively speaking) is an "Operator," and the need of the general civilian market to have a firearm capable of going to the mat in a torture test is simply not there.

 

[LawScholar]

That appears to be the problem with the bashers. They can't afford to acknowledge the awards, it interjects fact into their little dreams. Perhaps, as such an expert on Taurus, you'd care to put your efforts where your key-board is. It's simple. Research how many guns Taurus sells in a year, versus how many are reported as faulty to the CS, and sent in for repair. Then, to put it into perspective, do the same for three other large manufacturers. After that, post the results, and we''ll see how much is truth, and how much is Internet Commando bluster.

Otherwise, it's all opinion, and everyone has one, and they all stink.

So, we're waiting.

All I know is that my dad and brother owned 3 Tauri, and all 3 were abysmal. None of us have ever owned a bad gun by another manufacturer except my dad's old RG. (altogether we own 40-50).

Would I strongly dislike Smith or Beretta if I'd seen 3 pieces of junk in a row? Absolutely. But I didn't, so I strongly dislike Taurus.

There are simply too many QC problem reports, combined with my personal experience, for me to take a chance with my money. I watched the revolver lock. I watched the safety fall off the auto. No little dreams here

But to each their own!

 

[oso]

i own a pt 1911, a pt 99 have had zero issues with either. in fact my pt 1911 outshoots my kimber TLE 2 which has had issues. i own a Kahr pm45 my 3rd. pm 45 the first 2 had to be replaced due to malfunctions of every kind. also i seem to remember all the ruger LCP's going back to ruger, is anyone bashing ruger. all manufacturer's put out crap i don't care what you pay. the dealer i go to has recentley just sent baqck 3 Colt 1911's, the new owners very disappointed in Colts Q.C. is anybody bashing Colt. bottom line most people don't go one gun forums and report unless they have had a problem. i never went on a forum until i bought the Kahr pm45 and had so many problems, if i didn't have a problem i would never have gone on the forum. most people on forums have to much time with nothing else to do. they would be better off with more trigger time and less keyboard time.

 

[JR47]

Perhaps you should do the research for us since you seem to know where to look for suggested information.

No, you are the one championing the "QC issues". Instead of more opinion, I thought that you might actually like to interject a little fact into the dialogue

After all, you seem to expect people to believe that your opinions are based in fact. So, prove it.

LawScholar, my last two S&W products all had lockwork issues on new guns.

Would I strongly dislike Smith or Beretta if I'd seen 3 pieces of junk in a row? Absolutely. But I didn't, so I strongly dislike Taurus.

Following that logic, I should be bashing S&W, right?

FYI, I own considerably more guns than you, as a group, do. I've had brand new HK, Sig, Colt, Wilson Combat, and Ruger pistols that were all problems from an operational stand-point. Internal problems, not something that anyone with an IQ above ice cube temp should have seen when examining the gun PRIOR to purchase. The QC of just about ALL manufacturers has slipped markedly over the past 20 years. I routinely reject guns from "reputable" manufacturers for poor timing, bad sights, poor finish, and ragged actions. Trying to pick one brand out is ludicrous.

 

[LawScholar]

No, you are the one championing the "QC issues". Instead of more opinion, I thought that you might actually like to interject a little fact into the dialogue

After all, you seem to expect people to believe that your opinions are based in fact. So, prove it.

LawScholar, my last two S&W products all had lockwork issues on new guns.



Following that logic, I should be bashing S&W, right?

FYI, I own considerably more guns than you, as a group, do. I've had brand new HK, Sig, Colt, Wilson Combat, and Ruger pistols that were all problems from an operational stand-point. Internal problems, not something that anyone with an IQ above ice cube temp should have seen when examining the gun PRIOR to purchase. The QC of just about ALL manufacturers has slipped markedly over the past 20 years. I routinely reject guns from "reputable" manufacturers for poor timing, bad sights, poor finish, and ragged actions. Trying to pick one brand out is ludicrous.

Spend your money on Taurus if you'd like. I have no problem with that. I don't trust 'em, so I won't.

It's not just guns. If I bought 3 Chevys and all broke down, I wouldn't buy any more Chevys. If I bought 3 Husky power drills and all 3 broke in a week, no more Husky.

I don't reward companies for taking a crap on me, in any industry. I don't shrug and chalk it up to bad luck, especially when it's 3 instances each a year apart.

In my personal experience, and judging by the disproportionate horror stories I've seen from Taurus owners on the various forums I read, Taurus seems to be an inferior brand. If your experiences and impressions lead you to a different conclusion and a different way to spend your money, well, that's capitalism!

 

[contender]

i trust the pt92

the rest of the taurus line i will pass. This based on some experience and on actual observations of problems on the firing line and observed returns to shops.

 

[Ben86]

Shear number of sale doesnt mean much. Toyota sells more then BMW, but that does not make Toyota better.

That's not the point. What he is saying is that if you take the number of Taurus firearms sold and divide it by the amount brought in for repair it would average out to be about the same as most other firearm manufacturers.

 

[LawScholar]

That's not the point. What he is saying is that if you take the number of Taurus firearms sold and divide it by the amount brought in for repair it would average out to be about the same as most other firearm manufacturers.

I'm not sure that's true, though. The owner of a small gun shop in my hometown quit carrying them because he was sending them back much more then any other brand he sold.

 

[Gtimothy]

My wife purched a PT 709 slim as a ccw gun. She liked the way it felt in her hand. I didn't have a reason to think that it would not be a good gun for her until we went to the range. I have never shot a gun with adjustable sights that I could not get dialed in after a few shots. UNTIL NOW! Windage and elevation adjustments have no effect and I went through several (5) magazines and never got it dialed in. If my target was < 5feet away I would porbably get a hit or two but I think I'm going to have to find my wife a different CCW gun because I don't trust it!

 

[ExTank]

^ No offense, but there's a possibility that that might be saying more about you than it is about the firearm in question.

 

[clem]

I have a OLDER 99 autoloader and it works fine.
The newer revolvers are another issue.

 

[rferizano]

My wife purched a PT 709 slim as a ccw gun. She liked the way it felt in her hand. I didn't have a reason to think that it would not be a good gun for her until we went to the range. I have never shot a gun with adjustable sights that I could not get dialed in after a few shots. UNTIL NOW! Windage and elevation adjustments have no effect and I went through several (5) magazines and never got it dialed in. If my target was < 5feet away I would porbably get a hit or two but I think I'm going to have to find my wife a different CCW gun because I don't trust it!

Don't blame the gun because you can't shoot!

 

[Redneck with a 40]

I've had two taurus guns take a crap on me, a Tracker 357 and a Mil-Pro 40. I won't own any more taurus guns, I'm done. The 357 cracked the forcing cone, very few hot loads in it. The Mil-Pro sheared off the disassembly pin.

 

[weregunner]

The old saw about "my shop does or doesn't" holds no water.
I've been to many gunshops and gun shows in this area. Taurus and other brands were sold in great numbers & available as well.

No way to verify that.

Nor does anecdotal evidence that cannot be verified.