Tax stamp Class III for self defense?

[ctdonath]

You have your point of view, and I have mine.

Mine is based on personal training with SMGs. Correia's is based on personal training with SMGs. PvtPyle's is based on LOTS of professional training with SMGs. What's your's based on?

Simply having a point of view doesn't make it viable or valid.

I'm sorry you took, (or take) everything so literally.

You said what you said, with little reason to take it otherwise. We've all met people who literally hold the view you espoused, and we have little reason (you ARE new here) to interpret what you said to mean something else which you did not say (and still haven't said).

I was only making a point.

Well, since you now indicate that you don't mean what you said, kindly make your point by saying what you do mean.

 

[ctdonath]

Firearms aren't looked at the same way today as they were in the 1920s.

...partly (and significantly) because the ignorant & fearful have become the dominating voice in the public debate, with the knowledgeable & experienced being drowned out & persuaded to shut up. Time we start speaking up again, making sure that ignorance does not make policy.

 

[444]

"Firearms aren't looked at the same way today as they were in the 1920s"

The WHOLE reason for this is because we are always on the defensive. We allow our enemies to dictate the rules of the game. We hide back in our little cubby hole and let the lefties say what they want to say. We base our arguments on defending ourselves against the left instead of the other way around.
This is a VERY important concept that has been lost on the vast majority of gun owners in this country. What we have been doing to preserve our rights over the last 50 years is a failure. Our tactics and stradegy are losers. We HAVE to change. We can't continue on this same path year after year when it is obvious that what we are doing is NOT working.

Want an example of what can be done when you are a hated, laughed at, tiny minority ? Want to see what is possible in pushing your own agenda against all odds ? Want to see what happens when you go on the OFFENSIVE instead of hiding in the closet ?
You need look no farther than what the gays have done.
They went from being tarred and feathered to being an almost mandatory part of every mainstream TV series and popular movie. They are "in" with the PC crowd. Gay bashing is now done behind closed doors instead of the other way around.
How did this happen ?
They gays came out of the closet and changed their whole stadegy. They quit hiding and went on the offensive. They quit letting their enemies dictate the rules of the game.
Gun owners are too lazy to do the same. They want to apologize for what they believe. They don't want to make any waves. They don't want to draw attention to themselves. They don't want the PC crowd to say bad things about them. They are afraid that the people at work and their neighbors will call them names. They ACCEPT what other people say and the stereotypes that other people place them in.
And, as a result, we are losing ground day by day.

 

[PvtPyle]

Firearms may not be looked upon the same in your area, but everytime there is a clean shoot here there is a collective cheer from the population. We don't tollerate crime like the big urban sprawls and when a badguy gets put down by a cop or a citizen there has been nearly universal positive feedback from the masses. Even the media covers it in a positive light the vast majority of the time. The last big one the cops did not even confiscate the guys gun.

I guess it depends on where you live. living in a free state is quite refreshing.

I do still find it sad though that people have become brainwashed into seeing suppressors as the tool of an assassin. That is so much hollywood crap. In the civilized European countries they sell them over the counter. It is considered bad form to show up at the range without one in many places. Yet here we let the morons in hollywood and the media convince us that they are bad. It is so sad.

 

[Phenom]

PvtPyle, I live in Indiana which is a free state

 

[KC&97TA]

I like the Idea of a Suppressed Weapon for HD, Heck I like the Idea of a Suppressed M16 for HD, and If I had the money for a Suppressed M16 there'd probly be a spare AR-15 around too... if the time came to wack someone in my house, I'd be able to shoot Burglers/Rapeists and not wake the Kids Up

BEFORE the Cops show up, I could take the Supressor off and change the lower reciever to my AR-15 and give the cops a $800 gun to hold onto, ballistically its the same barrel, how are they going to know, excessive shot holes? "I was scared for my life", And the $12k gun and $1k suppressor could stay home with me, for the next upper and the next battle... Nobody really going to hear the gun shots except for me... so guess who's calling the Police

Remember even when the cops roll up and you're holding someone at gun point, they want you to "place your weapon on the ground". I reholstered my $900 Kimber and the fact that I was wearing USMC issued body armor with Level 3 sappi plates didn't go over well either. I already have shrapenal in 6 areas of my body, I wasn't getting shot in the chest w/o protection... remember "I was there fearing for the safety of my family member".

 

[PvtPyle]

BEFORE the Cops show up, I could take the Supressor off and change the lower reciever to my AR-15 and give the cops a $800 gun to hold onto, ballistically its the same barrel, how are they going to know, excessive shot holes?

That my friend is called tampering with evidence and in most places it is a felony. Besides, if you are clean, why bother? That is bad advise any way you look at it.

 

[saltydog]

Firearms may not be looked upon the same in your area, but everytime there is a clean shoot here there is a collective cheer from the population. We don't tollerate crime like the big urban sprawls and when a badguy gets put down by a cop or a citizen there has been nearly universal positive feedback from the masses. Even the media covers it in a positive light the vast majority of the time. The last big one the cops did not even confiscate the guys gun.

I guess it depends on where you live. living in a free state is quite refreshing.

Same here in Oklahoma. SMG = just another weapon.